[quote]Babe magazine published a detailed account over the weekend from a 23-year-old woman who said she felt "victimised" after a date with Ansari.
She said it had taken her a long time to "validate this as a sexual assault".
Ansari has said he "took her words to heart".
The woman, under the pseudonym Grace, alleges that when they returned to Ansari's apartment after dinner last September, he repeatedly tried to initiate sexual activity.
She says he ignored or did not notice her signals that she did not want to have sex with him, and after several interactions which left her feeling "very uncomfortable" she left in a taxi in tears.
She said she later texted him to say he had ignored "clear non-verbal cues" and that he had responded at the time by saying: "Clearly, I misread things in the moment and I'm truly sorry."
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[URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42685796[/URL]
Article that broke the story [URL]https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355[/URL]
Just my personal opinion I believe how he acted was sleezy but I don't think it was sexual assault, nor do I think his career should be burned over this.
CNN news anchor Ashleigh Banfield recently "blasted" Aziz's accusors actions.
[video=youtube;y4bAULTwAJU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bAULTwAJU[/video]
The author of the Babe.net article also replied in an email to the comment.
[video=youtube;OjRYbR_-Dhw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjRYbR_-Dhw[/video]
To be honest I completely agree with Ashleigh's remarks and she put it better than I ever could.
Aziz is a douche (and now I know incredibly sleezy and disgusting) and I dislike him, but having read the story twice over, the accuser [i]seriously[/i] did not give him “clear non-verbal cues” after getting naked with him, letting him go down on her, giving him a blowjob twice, and finally said no when he wanted sex, [b]which at that point he did stop[/b], but she still stayed around to be prodded at.
Not like Aziz or any guy is going to think he can’t get anything less than what he already has gotten. So ofcourse he keeps trying to get more.
I feel bad for any lady that has to experience Aziz’s sex move “the Claw” (fucking what?), but this person had some serious red flags (being told what to wear, ordered to drink every wine glass, the oyster bar) to know he probably wasn’t wanting to play checkers at his apartment.
Two of the most daft people went on a date.
I'm really torn on this. The original story / article makes him seem really forward and creepy about the sexual stuff, and I can't imagine being in her career spot and being with a famous dude and trying to duck out of stuff without fear of impacting your career - but ALSO, there's enough gray area where it almost does seem like it wasn't communicated enough? But maybe that gray area exists because nonverbal stuff is up to interpretation?
But at the same time, she did reject the notion multiple times beforehand. Verbally and nonverbally.
I know a lot of my friends are considering this a witch hunt but I don't really know if it is or isn't. It's pretty disappointing to read no matter what though. Seems kind of ego-driven on Aziz's part.
[quote]Ansari also physically pulled her hand towards his penis multiple times throughout the night, from the time he first kissed her on the countertop onward. “He probably moved my hand to his dick five to seven times,” she said. [B]“He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”[/B]
But the main thing was that he wouldn’t let her move away from him. She compared the path they cut across his apartment to a football play. “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and [B]him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again[/B]. It was really repetitive. It felt like a fucking game.”[/quote]
[quote]Ansari wanted to have sex. She said she remembers him asking again and again, “Where do you want me to fuck you?” while she was still seated on the countertop. She says she found the question tough to answer because she says she didn’t want to fuck him at all.
“I wasn’t really even thinking of that, I didn’t want to be engaged in that with him. But he kept asking, [B]so I said, ‘Next time.’ [/B]And he goes, ‘Oh, you mean second date?’ and I go, ‘Oh, yeah, sure,’ and he goes, ‘Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date?’” He then poured her a glass and handed it to her. She excused herself to the bathroom soon after.[/quote]
Seems pretty clear to me tbh.
[quote]She told babe that at first, she was happy with how he reacted. [B]“He said, ‘Oh, of course, it’s only fun if we’re both having fun.'[/B] [/quote]
This is where I feel like he was picking up on the whole vibe.
[quote]“After he bent me over is when [B]I stood up and said no[/B], I don’t think I’m ready to do this, I really don’t think I’m going to do this. And he said, ‘How about we just chill, but this time with our clothes on?’”[/quote]
Maybe he didn't read it because of however his own night went but I don't really blame her for feeling it was violating in any way. It's weird pushy creepy shit.
He is guilty of not being a mindreader basically
[QUOTE=Alec W;53061591]
Seems pretty clear cut to me tbh.[/QUOTE]
Problem is that this is still missing the context of them making out, getting naked, and performing oral sex on each other [b]before[/b] she made these “clear” cues.
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[QUOTE=Monkey pie;53061596]He is guilty of not being a mindreader basically[/QUOTE]
Exactly that was posted, not sure if I saw it here or on reddit, a day or two ago
[url]https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Hilton;53061612]This is the epitome of fake news, this is tabloid unprofessional garbage. I've never heard of babe.net and neither have you, there is zero reason to believe it.[/QUOTE]
Aziz has already acknowledged the encounter having happened.
lmao, soon we need to have a legal papers in our pockets before start having sex. ( already app for this )
[QUOTE=koppel;53061615]lmao, soon we need to have a legal papers in our pockets before start having sex. ( already app for this )[/QUOTE]
Or, y'know, you could try not being an emotionless idiot and gauge a situation by actually communicating with your partner? This kind of attitude is dangerously fedora-esque.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53061622]Or, y'know, you could try not being an emotionless idiot and gauge a situation by actually communicating with your partner? This kind of attitude is dangerously fedora-esque.[/QUOTE]
There is so much risk nowadays when getting into a relationship with a woman or getting it on with a girl in bed. She might regret the sex and accuse you of rape. She might see anything (from a compliment to a badly made joke) as sexual harassment. And then you have problems because the words of the woman are more worth than yours. It's no wonder that guys become more cautious and careful. You just never know nowadays. Just look at the male students that have to leave college with no process and are branded as sex offenders forever. Or the soldiers that have lost their career opportunities because some woman lied about something.
The consequences for men who don't have any proof for anything (consenting for example) are harsh and merciless. Talking mainly about the risk here and I can understand men who are very careful nowadays. Of course not every woman is like that.
what is with the victim blaming in this thread
this is a societal problem where too many horny men just ignore the other party not being into their advances despite very obvious body language (and just regular-ass language), and as a result of the general subjugation of women, feeling pressured into doing things they don't want to do or "not objecting strongly enough" to advances they don't want (especially with the power dynamic of one of them being a celebrity in this case). people using the "mind-reader" argument is a really good litmus test of people who have literally 0 introspection. if anyone has the time, you should listen to dan harmon's addressal/apology of his actions on his podcast, because his point of 'just think about it' is good. men don't want to think too deeply about it, because they'll probably uncover their own similar behavior, and even many women don't want to think about it because they might discover all those times they've been made to feel really uncomfortable or pressured is part of a big overwhelming problem.
"maybe she should have done this maybe she should have done that" is you saying it's her own fault for feeling the way she felt, violated, despite showing both verbal and non verbal cues of not being into his advances, and probably feeling pressured and caving in to them. it's a horny dude not thinking of how he's making someone else feel and ignoring everything other than his urges. and if you want to argue he didn't do anything legally wrong, you're still placing the minutiae of law over the feelings of women, which is dope. legally okay doesn't necessarily mean morally okay. i'm not saying law isn't important, but it's not the be all and end all of how it's okay to act.
[QUOTE=koppel;53061615]lmao, soon we need to have a legal papers in our pockets before start having sex. ( already app for this )[/QUOTE]
Jokes on you i already have my lawyer with the signed 15 page consent forms in the closet filming everything for record keeping purposes.
She said multiple times she didn't feel comfortable with it. Yes she did submit to some stuff but she continously could not go through and Aziz continued to persue her time and time again after her very clearly telling him no. I honestly contribute a lot her of partially going through with it feeling like she had to because he was persistant.
In the end though, even if you start having sex, if someone tells you they want to stop and you won't stop then it's sexual assault. He refused to stop making advances. It should have stopped after the first time.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53061646]what is with the victim blaming in this thread
this is a societal problem where too many horny men just ignore the other party not being into their advances despite very obvious body language (and just regular-ass language), and as a result of the general subjugation of women, feeling pressured into doing things they don't want to do or "not objecting strongly enough" to advances they don't want (especially with the power dynamic of one of them being a celebrity in this case). people using the "mind-reader" argument is a really good litmus test of people who have literally 0 introspection. if anyone has the time, you should listen to dan harmon's addressal/apology of his actions on his podcast, because his point of 'just think about it' is good. men don't want to think too deeply about it, because they'll probably uncover their own similar behavior, and even many women don't want to think about it because they might discover all those times they've been made to feel really uncomfortable or pressured is part of a big overwhelming problem.
"maybe she should have done this maybe she should have done that" is you saying it's her own fault for feeling the way she felt, violated, despite showing both verbal and non verbal cues of not being into his advances, and probably feeling pressured and caving in to them. it's a horny dude not thinking of how he's making someone else feel and ignoring everything other than his urges. and if you want to argue he didn't do anything legally wrong, you're still placing the minutiae of law over the feelings of women, which is dope. legally okay doesn't necessarily mean morally okay. i'm not saying law isn't important, but it's not the be all and end all of how it's okay to act.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if kissing him, getting naked and then giving him oral are "nonverbal cues" that she didn't wan't to go all the way through with it, and once she actually said "no" he stopped, so I'ts not a much as victim blaming, but both parties being fucking stupid. I would not consider this as sexual assault in the slightest, as like I mentioned before, the guy thought it was consensual until she actually verbally stated otherwise.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53061646]what is with the victim blaming in this thread
this is a societal problem where too many horny men just ignore the other party not being into their advances despite very obvious body language (and just regular-ass language), and as a result of the general subjugation of women, feeling pressured into doing things they don't want to do or "not objecting strongly enough" to advances they don't want (especially with the power dynamic of one of them being a celebrity in this case). people using the "mind-reader" argument is a really good litmus test of people who have literally 0 introspection. if anyone has the time, you should listen to dan harmon's addressal/apology of his actions on his podcast, because his point of 'just think about it' is good. men don't want to think too deeply about it, because they'll probably uncover their own similar behavior, and even many women don't want to think about it because they might discover all those times they've been made to feel really uncomfortable or pressured is part of a big overwhelming problem.
"maybe she should have done this maybe she should have done that" is you saying it's her own fault for feeling the way she felt, violated, despite showing both verbal and non verbal cues of not being into his advances, and probably feeling pressured and caving in to them. it's a horny dude not thinking of how he's making someone else feel and ignoring everything other than his urges. and if you want to argue he didn't do anything legally wrong, you're still placing the minutiae of law over the feelings of women, which is dope. legally okay doesn't necessarily mean morally okay. i'm not saying law isn't important, but it's not the be all and end all of how it's okay to act.[/QUOTE]
Nobody was pressured into anything. She's a grown ass woman and has agency. "mumbles" as she puts them, are not verbal cues.
She left her date when she met Aziz Ansari to hang out with him instead. Then they flirt for a couple of weeks, go on a date, then she goes back to his apartment, gets naked herself and they start performing oral sex on each other. Is sex not implied? She never explicitly says no. If you are not comfortable with the situation and don't want to engage in any sexual activities why are you naked in his apartment blowing him? How about you just say 'No Aziz, i don't want to blow you or have sex with you'? Those are basic adult things and if you can't do that then you probably shouldn't be having sex. Not comfortable? Get dressed and leave. Maybe later and shit can be interpreted as wanting more foreplay.
[QUOTE=Tudd;53061581] but she still stayed around to be prodded at.
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Irrelevant, she stayed with the understanding it would cease, after clearly stating she wasn't interested. Her staying to watch Seinfeld doesn't justify or validate his actions
[QUOTE=Tudd;53061581]
Not like Aziz or any guy is going to think he can’t get anything less than what he already has gotten. So ofcourse he keeps trying to get more.[/QUOTE]
Irrelevant and also dumb. You're literally justifying it with 'boys will be boys'
[QUOTE=Mentlegen;53061655]She said multiple times she didn't feel comfortable with it. Yes she did submit to some stuff but she continously could not go through and Aziz continued to persue her time [B]and time again after her very clearly telling him no. [/B]
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She never explicitly said no and that's the argument.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53061646]what is with the victim blaming in this thread
this is a societal problem where too many horny men just ignore the other party not being into their advances despite very obvious body language (and just regular-ass language), and as a result of the general subjugation of women, feeling pressured into doing things they don't want to do or "not objecting strongly enough" to advances they don't want (especially with the power dynamic of one of them being a celebrity in this case). people using the "mind-reader" argument is a really good litmus test of people who have literally 0 introspection. if anyone has the time, you should listen to dan harmon's addressal/apology of his actions on his podcast, because his point of 'just think about it' is good. men don't want to think too deeply about it, because they'll probably uncover their own similar behavior, and even many women don't want to think about it because they might discover all those times they've been made to feel really uncomfortable or pressured is part of a big overwhelming problem.
"maybe she should have done this maybe she should have done that" is you saying it's her own fault for feeling the way she felt, violated, despite showing both verbal and non verbal cues of not being into his advances, and probably feeling pressured and caving in to them. it's a horny dude not thinking of how he's making someone else feel and ignoring everything other than his urges. and if you want to argue he didn't do anything legally wrong, you're still placing the minutiae of law over the feelings of women, which is dope. legally okay doesn't necessarily mean morally okay. i'm not saying law isn't important, but it's not the be all and end all of how it's okay to act.[/QUOTE]
So as soon as there's a small, tiny hint that the person you're trying to get in bed with is not OK with something you did you should just give up and show them the door immediately just to be safe? You shouldn't be that careful when you're trying to court someone. Saying "soon we'll need written agreement" is a slippery slope, but I wouldn't rule it out.
In this case though, going so fast in a first date is creepy as shit, for sure.
damn I remember the Master of None episode that had his famous friend being accused of sexual assault. I would never imagine Aziz Ansari as the kind of guy to assault someone.
He was overly aggressive with his advances but she should have either left when it became clear he wanted to do something she didn't want to do and that he couldn't take a hint. Like, someone following you around for 30 minutes and putting their fingers down your throat seems like a pretty clear sign to take your leave.
[QUOTE=aydin690;53061663]Nobody was pressured into anything. She's a grown ass woman and has agency. "mumbles" as she puts them, are not verbal cues.
She left her date when she met Aziz Ansari to hang out with him instead. Then they flirt for a couple of weeks, go on a date, then she goes back to his apartment, gets naked herself and they start performing oral sex on each other. Is sex not implied? She never explicitly says no. If you are not comfortable with the situation and don't want to engage in any sexual activities why are you naked in his apartment blowing him? How about you just say 'No Aziz, i don't want to blow you or have sex with you'? Those are basic adult things and if you can't do that then you probably shouldn't be having sex. Not comfortable? Get dressed and leave. Maybe later and shit can be interpreted as more foreplay.[/QUOTE]
It's not that easy for women. The recent Revelations around the entertainment industry shows just how easy it is for a man in power (which, given Aziz's fame, he certainly is) to destroy the career of a woman who spurns his advances. And also generally for women, it can often seem easier to just let it happen, for fear of physical retribution. Combine this with the general lack of agency that women are socialised into feeling in interactions with men.'.
There's also a lot of documentation around a tendency to freeze up and be unable to think clearly or even physically move when being sexually assaulted, which makes sense given the mosuse and abuse of our most imtimate act.
Its absolutely not as simple as 'she's an adult she should have left
Not gonna pass judgement on Aziz until we have more information, but at a minimum this should be a wake up call to guys that 'no' mean 'no', not 'keep trying your luck and I might give in because it's easier than pushing you away'. It's also a reminder that if she is not clearly into it, that is also a no.
I don't understand at all what people were expecting of Ansari. They went on a date, nice restaurant, had some wine, both went back to his apartment. You can say what you want about the difference in their age, she's 23 and he's 35, she should know he's not taking you there to show you his baseball cards. There was no coercion, there isn't any previous relationship between them other than Aziz Ansari being a Hollywood actor so it wasn't like a workplace fling or anything, she really had nothing stopping her from just saying no and leaving. She uses the term pressured to justify how she gave him a blowjob after he pointed at his dick, and really like, [I]pressured by who?[/I] There was nobody else there. Maybe if the non-verbal cues aren't working, speak up?
I mean, this would have been an awkward encounter for anybody, but it isn't assault, he doesn't deserve to be crucified by the media for it, and I think it's a sign that there are journalists reaching, trying to break the next big Hollywood scandal without caring who gets caught in the crossfire.
[QUOTE=aydin690;53061663]Is sex not implied? She never explicitly says no. If you are not comfortable with the situation and don't want to engage in any sexual activities why are you naked in his apartment blowing him? How about you just say 'No Aziz, i don't want to blow you or have sex with you'? Those are basic adult things and if you can't do that then you probably shouldn't be having sex. Not comfortable? Get dressed and leave. Maybe later and shit can be interpreted as wanting more foreplay.[/QUOTE]
holy god damn. you should reread this. you've completely ignored almost everything i said and you're blaming the woman for not speaking up "strongly enough". how this comes across to me is you're saying "i don't care how she felt" and just continuing to defend the man.
what does her being an adult have to do with this? woman can't be pressured into sex they didn't want just because they're an adult? if you give someone oral sex you have to go all the way? this just sounds like disgusting entitlement to sex. a woman is existing around me, if i keep pestering for sex and she gives in it's fine!
"should have just gotten dressed and left, idiot!" he says to women sobbing on the cab ride home
just for a second, reflect on your own actions. have you ever put your own desire to get laid over the feelings of the other person? just think about it. it's not an easy thing to do which i guess is why you ignored almost my entire post about the routine subjugation of women, feeling pressure into doing things, men acting without any consideration, the whole shebang. telling women "just nut up!" is pretty messed up. it's her fault for not being strong enough! instead of trying to show she wasn't into it and maybe saying no a little too quietly, repeatedly, she should have started shouting or something!
[QUOTE=Maloof?;53061678]It's not that easy for women. The recent Revelations around the entertainment industry shows just how easy it is for a man in power (which, given Aziz's fame, he certainly is) to destroy the career of a woman who spurns his advances. And also generally for women, it can often seem easier to just let it happen, for fear of physical retribution. Combine this with the general lack of agency that women are socialised into feeling in interactions with men.'.
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It's not just men though. There are also women who use their body and looks to get what they want. They also offer sex in exchange for power compared to men who exchange power for sex.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;53061678]It's not that easy for women. The recent Revelations around the entertainment industry shows just how easy it is for a man in power (which, given Aziz's fame, he certainly is) to destroy the career of a woman who spurns his advances. And also generally for women, it can often seem easier to just let it happen, for fear of physical retribution. Combine this with the general lack of agency that women are socialised into feeling in interactions with men.'.
There's also a lot of documentation around a tendency to freeze up and be unable to think clearly or even physically move when being sexually assaulted, which makes sense given the mosuse and abuse of our most imtimate act.
Its absolutely not as simple as 'she's an adult she should have left
Not gonna pass judgement on Aziz until we have more information, but at a minimum this should be a wake up call to guys that 'no' mean 'no', not 'keep trying your luck and I might give in because it's easier than pushing you away'. It's also a reminder that if she is not clearly into it, that is also a no.[/QUOTE]
In terms of your first point, we don't even know if this woman is an actress or not, but from the letter it's clear that they just met so he is definitely not her boss and can't hold any power on her to force her to do anything, so your point is moot.
In terms of that second point, I've never been in a situation like that since I'm not a female so I won't argue against it.
And for your last point, a "no" did mean "no" once she actually articulated it, all of the other times where "nonverbal" cues, s we can't really grasp what these cues were of if they were exaggerated later in the letter, as in the letter itself Aziz thought they both had fun, so maybe those cues weren't a clear as they are made out to be.
[editline]18th January 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53061685]holy god damn. you should reread this. you're completely almost everything i said and you're blaming the woman for not speaking up "strongly enough". how this comes across to me is you're saying "i don't care how she felt" and just continuing to defend the man.
what does her being an adult have to do with this? woman can't be pressured into sex they didn't want just because they're an adult? if you give someone oral sex you have to go all the way? this just sounds like disgusting entitlement to sex. a woman is existing around me, if i keep pestering for sex and she gives in it's fine!
"should have just gotten dressed and left, idiot!" he says to women sobbing on the cab ride home
just for a second, reflect on your own actions. have you ever put your own desire to get laid over the feelings of the other person? just think about it. it's not an easy thing to do which i guess is why you ignored almost my entire post about the routine subjugation of women, feeling pressure into doing things, men acting without any consideration, the whole shebang. telling women "just nut up!" is pretty messed up. it's her fault for not being strong enough! instead of trying to show she wasn't into it and maybe saying no a little too quietly, repeatedly, she should have started shouting or something![/QUOTE]
Could you tell me how exactly she was pressured into it?
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53061685]holy god damn. you should reread this. you're completely almost everything i said and you're blaming the woman for not speaking up "strongly enough". how this comes across to me is you're saying "i don't care how she felt" and just continuing to defend the man.
what does her being an adult have to do with this? woman can't be pressured into sex they didn't want just because they're an adult? if you give someone oral sex you have to go all the way? this just sounds like disgusting entitlement to sex. a woman is existing around me, if i keep pestering for sex and she gives in it's fine!
"should have just gotten dressed and left, idiot!" he says to women sobbing on the cab ride home
just for a second, reflect on your own actions. have you ever put your own desire to get laid over the feelings of the other person? just think about it. it's not an easy thing to do which i guess is why you ignored almost my entire post about the routine subjugation of women, feeling pressure into doing things, men acting without any consideration, the whole shebang. telling women "just nut up!" is pretty messed up. it's her fault for not being strong enough! instead of trying to show she wasn't into it and maybe saying no a little too quietly, repeatedly, she should have started shouting or something![/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but he wasn't holding her at gunpoint or anything. What [I]exactly [/I]was stopping her from fuckin leaving?
This video wasn't satirical i guess:
[video=youtube;xa-4IAR_9Yw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa-4IAR_9Yw[/video]
Remember fellas, if she's naked in your apartment blowing you after a date, she doesn't actually want to do anything with you sexually.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;53061678]It's not that easy for women. The recent Revelations around the entertainment industry shows just how easy it is for a man in power (which, given Aziz's fame, he certainly is) to destroy the career of a woman who spurns his advances. And also generally for women, it can often seem easier to just let it happen, for fear of physical retribution. Combine this with the general lack of agency that women are socialised into feeling in interactions with men.'.
There's also a lot of documentation around a tendency to freeze up and be unable to think clearly or even physically move when being sexually assaulted, which makes sense given the mosuse and abuse of our most imtimate act.
Its absolutely not as simple as 'she's an adult she should have left
Not gonna pass judgement on Aziz until we have more information, but at a minimum this should be a wake up call to guys that 'no' mean 'no', not 'keep trying your luck and I might give in because it's easier than pushing you away'. It's also a reminder that if she is not clearly into it, that is also a no.[/QUOTE]
This isn't even remotely close to the Weinstein case. Aziz has no power over her. Aziz isn't telling her unless you have sex with me you're not going to work ever again. That's a ridiculous claim.
LOLWUT? You sound like the anti abortion republican congressman Todd Akin that once said:
[QUOTE]Well you know, people always want to try to make that as one of those things, well how do you, how do you slice this particularly tough sort of ethical question. First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. [B]If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.[/B] But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child.[/QUOTE]
It's really funny. Modern feminism teaches people women are all strong and independent and can do anything except when it comes to sex and saying no, then they have no agency.
Aziz stopped as soon as she got up and tried to leave and he called her an uber and the next morning when she texted him, he was taken aback and sorry that he had made her uncomfortable.
seems to me that it wasn't really intentional and him just being awkward as fuck and not being able to read cues without them being very obvious
[editline]18th January 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=Maloof?;53061678]It's not that easy for women. The recent Revelations around the entertainment industry shows just how easy it is for a man in power (which, given Aziz's fame, he certainly is) to destroy the career of a woman who spurns his advances. And also generally for women, it can often seem easier to just let it happen, for fear of physical retribution. Combine this with the general lack of agency that women are socialised into feeling in interactions with men.'.
There's also a lot of documentation around a tendency to freeze up and be unable to think clearly or even physically move when being sexually assaulted, which makes sense given the mosuse and abuse of our most imtimate act.
Its absolutely not as simple as 'she's an adult she should have left
Not gonna pass judgement on Aziz until we have more information, but at a minimum this should be a wake up call to guys that 'no' mean 'no', not 'keep trying your luck and I might give in because it's easier than pushing you away'. It's also a reminder that if she is not clearly into it, that is also a no.[/QUOTE]
it was just a date, had nothing to do with job related interviews or anything like that, it's not much of a man in power kind of thing like Weinstein or similar situations.
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