Russia's Response To World Cup Seating Requirements Appears To Be Both Unsafe And Pointless - Sensationalist Headlines

[QUOTE] If you’re interested in visiting one of Russia’s 11 host cities next summer to catch a live World Cup game, you might want to cross Ekaterinburg off the list after seeing what the city’s stadium has in store for soccer fans. The World Cup standards dictate that every venue for the global event accommodate at least 35,000 fans, which could exceed the existing accommodations in some smaller towns in host nations. However, Russia came up with a dubious solution to make its 27,000-seat Ekaterinburg Arena, originally built in 1957, compliant with the policy — which FIFA appears to have no qualms about. Using a comical amount of temporary scaffolding, officials have placed additional seating not so much in the stadium, but near it with a some truly questionable sightlines for the on-field action. The two installments of bleachers on either end of the venue bring the seating capacity up to the governing body’s standards for World Cup venues. [video]https://twitter.com/nickgrodo/status/915324812792258560[/video] [video]https://twitter.com/confortistefano/status/912967675621593088[/video] [video]https://twitter.com/nooruddin905332/status/915538888332062720[/video] [/QUOTE] Source: [URL="https://sports.good.is/articles/russian-stadium-response"]GOOD Sports[/URL]

So what happens when the fans start doing this? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50qwgBuXpY[/media] This was at Frankfurt's stadium in 2016.

[QUOTE=wingless;52776462]So what happens when the fans start doing this? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50qwgBuXpY[/media] This was at Frankfurt's stadium in 2016.[/QUOTE] That is a whole lot of people placing a stupid amount of faith in serious over engineering.

My god that is questionable as fuck. Edit: Do the seats have to be added to watch the live game, couldn't they just skirt by the rules by putting up some giant screens, some tarps over the seats and screens, and say that's extra seating for the game? Just call it discounted seating or something.

[QUOTE=wingless;52776462]So what happens when the fans start doing this? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50qwgBuXpY[/media] This was at Frankfurt's stadium in 2016.[/QUOTE] A recipe for disaster

[QUOTE=wingless;52776462]So what happens when the fans start doing this? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50qwgBuXpY[/media] This was at Frankfurt's stadium in 2016.[/QUOTE] Concrete & steel structures are supposed to have some flexibility, but this seems like stretching it (literally)?

[QUOTE=wingless;52776462]So what happens when the fans start doing this? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50qwgBuXpY[/media] This was at Frankfurt's stadium in 2016.[/QUOTE] Honestly? :thisthread: Seriously, that's fucking terrifying and I have anxiety just [I]looking[/I] at that footage. Surprised that everyone on that floor wasn't just booking it.

[QUOTE=wingless;52776462]So what happens when the fans start doing this? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50qwgBuXpY[/media] This was at Frankfurt's stadium in 2016.[/QUOTE] Death :dead:

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52776517]Concrete & steel structures are supposed to have some flexibility, but this seems like stretching it (literally)?[/QUOTE] iirc those stadium stands are designed with hydraulic shock absorbers [b]Edit:[/b] I'm actually struggling to find a real source for this, but generally stadium stands are designed to withstand this kind of load. That Russian stadium with temporary scaffolding looks scary af though.

[QUOTE=GunFox;52776466]That is a whole lot of people placing a stupid amount of faith in serious over engineering.[/QUOTE] It's in Germany, so it's at least not utterly crazy to do that. I don't know what the support requirements are, but they're probably quite a bit higher than what you can reach by jumping. Unfortunately, don't expect them not to do that elsewhere.

[QUOTE=wingless;52776462]So what happens when the fans start doing this? This was at Frankfurt's stadium in 2016.[/QUOTE] Seems like it is designed to deform by that amount. Basing this off the fact that the meeting point between two stands is clearly designed to accommodate the relative motion. Not that humans aren't amazing at finding resonant modes of structures: [video=youtube;_uazQbFmli4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uazQbFmli4[/video]

That's the biggest accident of that kind waiting to happen.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;52776473]My god that is questionable as fuck. Edit: Do the seats have to be added to watch the live game, couldn't they just skirt by the rules by putting up some giant screens, some tarps over the seats and screens, and say that's extra seating for the game? Just call it discounted seating or something.[/QUOTE] They still have to build the seating to hit the capacity even if they have no intention of actually selling the tickets. I can't imagine this particular stadium is going to sell out since its in a small city and just used for group stages.

Have to admit the second tweet picture looks pretty cool, but damn, that scaffolding looks unsafe as fuck.

"15,000 people Die in World Cup Accident"

This looks like the janky shit I used to build in roller-coaster tycoon

[QUOTE=Thaggers;52776651]This looks like the janky shit I used to build in roller-coaster tycoon[/QUOTE] You're hired to design their next stadium.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;52776541]It's in Germany, so it's at least not utterly crazy to do that. I don't know what the support requirements are, but they're probably quite a bit higher than what you can reach by jumping. Unfortunately, don't expect them not to do that elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Just what I was thinking. It may be a tad cliche, but German engineering has a good amount of merit to it. German vs. Russian engineering....I think I know which one is better. Furthermore, concrete vs. scaffolding structure. Now, granted, maybe nothing will happen, and the crew took extra care trying to set it up so they wouldn't have trouble on their hands, but that's still hard to imagine.

I live nearby, it's a fucking mess. I didn't think it would turn out this bad, but questionable results were to be expected. The stadium was rebuilt in 2011, then leveled completely in 2014 to be rebuilt again, into this. They leveled the stadium to make it worse. They rebuilt the same stadium twice in ten years. World Cup 2018 is a fucking mistake.

[QUOTE=GunFox;52776466]That is a whole lot of people placing a stupid amount of faith in serious over engineering.[/QUOTE] They are Germans. It's probably rated to withstand a black hole.

[QUOTE=wingless;52776462]So what happens when the fans start doing this? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50qwgBuXpY[/media] This was at Frankfurt's stadium in 2016.[/QUOTE] must be some of that uberconcrete i keep hearing so much about [editline] 13 October 2017 [/editline] hope there's no mold growth!

Looks crazy without side panels but it is pretty save if its done correctly, the structure can hold its own weight and all the weight of the people just fine. Just depends on how good Russia is with making sure it was built correctly and it is inspected.

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[QUOTE=Mitsuma;52776852]Just depends how good Russia is with making sure it was built correctly and it is inspected.[/QUOTE] So odds are it's going to collapse. Good to know.

I wonder if the cross-sectional area will make even minor winds an issue.. that looks bodgy af.

Non-sports fan here... How many games are in the world cup? AKA how much time does this thing need to hold for?

Jesus and I thought we americans were crazy about our sports.

If they added plenty of extra safety rails and reinforced it to an extra triple degree it wouldn't be that terrible I think.

[QUOTE=redBadger;52777340]Jesus and I thought we americans were crazy about our sports.[/QUOTE] We are but we have some semblance of care for safety regulations. If this was us, we would have torn the small one down and built an entirely new stadium, not done a half assed expansion.

I'll hate how its outside of the stadium, the roof is distracting af