• Minnesota Officer Involved in Fatal Shooting Posted on Facebook Found Not Guility
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[quote] After days of deliberation, a jury has found Jeronimo Yanez, the St. Anthony police officer who fatally shot Philando Castile during a traffic stop last summer, not guilty of second-degree manslaughter in the school cafeteria worker’s death. Four days after attorney’s made closing arguments, a jury decided Friday that the 29-year-old police officer was not guilty of “culpable negligence” in Castile’s death. The officer would’ve faced up to a decade in prison. He was also found not guilty of two counts of endangerment by intentionally shooting a firearm, one count relating to Castille’s girlfriend Diamond Reynolds, and the other pertaining to her child, who was sitting in the back seat. [/quote] [quote] A Minnesota police officer accused of fatally shooting a black man last summer has been fired after he was found not guilty of second-degree manslaughter.Philando Castile, 32, was shot several times by St. Anthony Police Officer Jeronimo Yanez, who is Latino, last July after Castile was pulled over with his girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, and Reynolds' 4-year-old daughter in Falcon Heights, Minnesota, a suburb of Saint Paul. The city of St. Anthony said in a statement that the "public will be best served if Officer Yanez is no longer a police officer in our city." The city will offer Yanez a "voluntary separation agreement" to help him transition to another career, it said. [/quote] [t]http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/HT_MN_Shooting_BM_20160707_4x3_992.jpg[/t] Enough for the PD to throw him under the bus but not enough for manslaughter I guess Source [URL]http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/06/16/jeronimo-yanez-verdict-philando-castile/[/URL] [URL]http://abcnews.go.com/US/minnesota-officer-found-guilty-fatal-shooting-philando-castile/story?id=48003144[/URL]
he fucked up pretty hard tho well he's going to carry that weight regardless of whether he went to jail or not
is anyone even surprised at this shit anymore?
Prosecution dropped the ball here and it's nothing more than that
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;52368543]is anyone even surprised at this shit anymore?[/QUOTE] He was found not guilty by a jury; this wasn't a police department sweeping it under the rug.
[quote]was pulled over with his girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, and Reynolds' 4-year-old daughter in Falcon Heights, Minnesota, a suburb of Saint Paul.[/quote] I felt really bad for the little girl. They had the video her mom had recorded of it, and she was sitting in the backseat saying, "It's okay, mommy. It's okay. I'm right here with you," while her mom was crying and upset. Yanez should've gone to prison. He clearly fucked up. [editline]16 June 2016[/editline] Found it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nbyKi89cbE[/media]
[QUOTE=Saxon;52368493][t]http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/HT_MN_Shooting_BM_20160707_4x3_992.jpg[/t] Enough for the PD to throw him under the bus but not enough for manslaughter I guess Source [URL]http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/06/16/jeronimo-yanez-verdict-philando-castile/[/URL] [URL]http://abcnews.go.com/US/minnesota-officer-found-guilty-fatal-shooting-philando-castile/story?id=48003144[/URL][/QUOTE] PD throwing him under the bus was more political than anything. With a video seen by millions of people it's kind of hard to keep someone on board even if found not guilty.
[QUOTE] "public will be best served if Officer Yanez is no longer a police officer in our city." .... help him transition to another career[/QUOTE] 10 bucks says the other career is being a cop in a different city fucked up scenario, since the video starts after the shots are fired, its hard to say what was being reached for (im thinking probably his license). so much could have been done different/better. Like if philando had maybe gotten out of the car and allowed the officer to remove his CC from him. but sounds like victim blaming and captain hindsight
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52368554]Prosecution dropped the ball here and it's nothing more than that[/QUOTE] Haven't been following this story much, what did the prosecution do wrong?
[QUOTE=Zombinie;52369179]Haven't been following this story much, what did the prosecution do wrong?[/QUOTE] from my (very) limited knowledge of prosecution, my best guess is that the prosecution tried to pin charges on him that they obviously would not have been able to prove easily.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52369712]from my (very) limited knowledge of prosecution, my best guess is that the prosecution tried to pin charges on him that they obviously would not have been able to prove easily.[/QUOTE] This is what they attempted to charge him with: [url]https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.205[/url] In summary in regards to this situation it would constitute that an indevidual knowingly entered a situation that may lead to another individuals harm or death and intentionaly disregarded any methods or apporaches that could have prevented death. Like with any criminal charge that involves the death of another person it focuses on intent AND negligence. For the most part one could assume that there was no intent to kill ie it was not premeditated nor driven by passion in the moment (such as seeing a dude sleeping with your wife and beating him to death). So the next is negligence, which would imply that one ignores other factors which lead to the death of an individual. That as a police officer is especially hard to pin giving the circumstances, as to what was reported stated that the indevidual who was killed was pulled over for matching the description of another indevidual who committed a crime with a weapon. At that point in the eyes of the law it might as well be a get out of jail free card, since police can claim (and reasonably in a lot of circumstances) that they believed that the person in question may have been the indevidual who was involved with a previous crime involving a weapon, and until that can be determined they are supposed to treat it as if they were.
I've seen this video. I don't know how the fuck this cop got away woth a slap on the wirst with no jailtime whatsoever. I can see why so many of my black friends are afraid of cops when shit like this happen. Before you guys go on your high horse and say shit like its just a few bad eggs. I know its just a few bad eggs but people in position of authority should be held accountable. There are endless videos of people getting murdered by cops at times when it is not necessary at all to go lethal force. Most of these people get off scot-free. The U.S needs an seperate entity to investigate these crimes. The police cannot be trusted to investigate themselves. Funny enough a lot of time when a cop uses lethal force or things go violent a good amount of them have their bodycams off or "malfunctioned". What are the odds?
This guy is pretty fucked though, his name and face are out there and I wouldn't be surprised if he received death threats over this.
Today they are releasing the case files and dashcam. Heres the dashcam [url]http://video.startribune.com/graphic-content-dashcam-and-facebook-live-of-castile-shooting/429737703/[/url]
After seeing the dashcam how can you justify this verdict. Disgusting
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52383261]After seeing the dashcam how can you justify this verdict. Disgusting[/QUOTE] Conservatives are even calling this cop Guilty.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52383261]After seeing the dashcam how can you justify this verdict. Disgusting[/QUOTE] You serious? "I have a gun" "Okay, don't reach for it" "don't pull it out" "don't pull it out" "don't pull it out" Sounds like there's something pretty specific you have to do to get shot in that situation.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;52383292]You serious? "I have a gun" "Okay, don't reach for it" "don't pull it out" "don't pull it out" "don't pull it out" Sounds like there's something pretty specific you have to do to get shot in that situation.[/QUOTE] He told him to get his wallet and ID out. The guy told him he wasn't reaching for his gun and was going for his wallet. He then gets shot for following instructions. How the fuck can you call it justified
[QUOTE=evilweazel;52383292]You serious? "I have a gun" "Okay, don't reach for it" "don't pull it out" "don't pull it out" "don't pull it out" Sounds like there's something pretty specific you have to do to get shot in that situation.[/QUOTE] Wait so how do i give the officer my license and registration?
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52383298]He told him to get his wallet and ID out. The guy told him he wasn't reaching for his gun and was going for his wallet. He then gets shot for following instructions. How the fuck can you call it justified[/QUOTE] You can listen to the entire stop. Listen to 8:10 onward for his initial review of what happened
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52383298]He told him to get his wallet and ID out. The guy told him he wasn't reaching for his gun and was going for his wallet. He then gets shot for following instructions. How the fuck can you call it justified[/QUOTE] He literally says to the officer "Ima have to pull it out" after being told "Don't reach for it" , and then once more being told "DON'T PULL IT OUT" after he says that to the officer. The correct thing to do in this situation is nothing. If he put his hands on the steering wheel/kept them there, and waited for the officer to go from there as far as asking him to step out or something similar instead of digging into his pocket (which his girlfriend said he WAS doing) where he just seemed to insinuate where his gun was he probably wouldn't have been shot.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;52368773]PD throwing him under the bus was more political than anything. With a video seen by millions of people it's kind of hard to keep someone on board even if found not guilty.[/QUOTE] Throwing someone who can't control basic shit under a bus is the logical outcome. This man is a liability to law enforcement at best, and a disgrace to the uniform. This is the kind of "cop" that gets on the force for the retirement scheme and expects to be frisking donuts his entire career; the kind of person you do not give a gun to, the kind of guy that would get his squad fucked the fuck up in wartime by panicking the moment shit went down on a patrol.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52383318]still an overkill of point blank shots though.[/QUOTE] If it's a lethal force situation you don't dump one round and hope for the best. Handgun rounds are pretty bad at stopping someone without giving them time to react.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52383318]still an overkill amount of point blank shots though.[/QUOTE] He, nor anyone in that situation, will know exactly how many times they shot
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52383475]seems to me 3-4 shots would have done the job just fine especially at that range. regardless, he fucked up badly and its a shame he escaped actual justice, then again i doubt his life will be very easy from now on which is some kind of justice i guess. kinda feel like this is primarily an issue with US cops tbh[/QUOTE] Once you start shooting, you don't stop. The point of shooting is to kill and if they are worth shooting once, they are worth shooting a dozen times. People can get shot many times and still be a danger so when you need to stop someone you play it safe and empty your mag.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52383475]seems to me 3-4 shots would have done the job just fine especially at that range. regardless, he fucked up badly and its a shame he escaped actual justice, then again i doubt his life will be very easy from now on which is some kind of justice i guess. kinda feel like this is primarily an issue with US cops tbh[/QUOTE] 3-4 might do it. Might. Why settle for might when you're in a lethal force situation, though? When it comes down to you needing to shoot someone, more is always better. Quick draw, one between the eyes type Hollywood stuff is a myth. This really, really should be common knowledge at this point. It sucks that this guy got himself killed in a moment of thickheadedness, but everyone who CCs has thought about this situation. He knew, or should have known better.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52383475] i kinda feel like this is primarily an issue with US cops tbh[/QUOTE] If you think this is exclusive to police than there's a lot of body physiology to learn and a lot of people to talk to. Particularly important is the sympathetic nervious system activation effects. Number of shots fired is a small detail that you may or may not remember even after the 48 hours recommended has passed.
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;52383514]well thank fuck they didnt give the guy an smg i guess.[/QUOTE] What are you even trying to say, here? If he had an SMG the guy would be more dead? :v:
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52383356]He, nor anyone in that situation, will know exactly how many times they shot[/QUOTE] Since you most likely know this, but isn't US police SOP to magdump when there's no chance to hit secondaries? Seem to remember hearing that once and it kinda makes sense, better to make sure the primary target is dead than to leave it to chance.
[QUOTE=Crimor;52384007]Since you most likely know this, but isn't US police SOP to magdump when there's no chance to hit secondaries? Seem to remember hearing that once and it kinda makes sense, better to make sure the primary target is dead than to leave it to chance.[/QUOTE] No. I'm not aware of any policy in any department in the US that has a magdump part in it. It's always been shoot to stop the threat. Whether it's 1 bullet or 15. Whatever it takes.
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