Is it okay to care about animals more than humans? - General

I have always cared about animals a bit more than humans, but i don't know why. And it's not because they are cute, because not all animals are cute anyway. I think dogs in particular benefit the most from human companionship. I've never had pets to feel loved, i just get them because i want to give them a good home. I actually have a disabled son, and i honestly do care about my dog more than him. Because he can never have a normal life, and that bothers me. I think my life is more difficult when people are involved, but not with animals. And i have been insulted before for feeling that way. But to me, it just came naturally.

Everyone feels differently and that's okay. However if you care about your dog more than your son, perhaps you should look into finding someone else to care for him. It is not fair to him to grow up having a father who treats the family pet better than him

Everything was ok until you mentioned your disabled son. I mean, it's your son, you "created" him and as his father you should take care of him. Sure dogs are awesome and they can be loved but most of your love should go to your sons as he needs you more than the dog.

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I feel the same way. If I saw a human about to drown and a dog about to drown I would try and save the dog because animals are just better overall in my book. Having said that I don't think you should let this be something that anyone IRL knows about, especially your son.

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[QUOTE=Frustration96;43610050]I feel the same way. If I saw a human about to drown and a dog about to drown I would try and save the dog because animals are just better overall in my book. Having said that I don't think you should let this be something that anyone IRL knows about, especially your son.[/QUOTE] so if you were drowning and a dog was drowning, what would you do if the person picked the dog to save? oh, you'd be perfectly fine with it. leaving your friends and family and all.

[QUOTE=Frustration96;43610050]I feel the same way. If I saw a human about to drown and a dog about to drown I would try and save the dog because animals are just better overall in my book. [/QUOTE] I'm sorry but that's kind of fucked up

[QUOTE=isoulcalibur;43610118]so if you were drowning and a dog was drowning, what would you do if the person picked the dog to save? oh, you'd be perfectly fine with it. leaving your friends and family and all.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bumrang;43610134]I'm sorry but that's kind of fucked up[/QUOTE] I would rather an animal be saved over my life yes. What's so wrong with that? I can understand if you wouldn't do the same but I don't see how anyone can view animals less than humans.

[QUOTE=Frustration96;43610230]I would rather an animal be saved over my life yes. What's so wrong with that? I can understand if you wouldn't do the same but I don't see how anyone can view animals less than humans.[/QUOTE] The problem isn't that you don't see animals as lesser beings than humans, the problem is that you see humans as lesser beings than animals.

Why pick sides? Just show love and affection towards both, unless that's asking too much. I myself would delve more into this topic, but I have a deep sense of falsity in OP's story. No one in the right mind would care for their son, disabled or not, less than they would an animal.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43610321]The problem isn't that you don't see animals as lesser beings than humans, the problem is that you see humans as lesser beings than animals.[/QUOTE] Animals never hurt anyone or do anything bad unless they are provoked or are "trained" to do it (like idiots train pit bulls). I'm sure there are some bad animals out there but in general animals won't do anything unless they need to defend themselves or their families. Humans on the whole are pretty shitty. Of course there are a lot of good humans and I'm not denying that, but even a lot of these good humans when in groups tend to act shittier and don't care about anyone around them. Another problem with humans is their ideals. They are willing to go to the lengths of torture (I have never heard of an animal torturing anything) just because of a silly idea (religion for example). Again, I'm not saying anything like "ALL HUMANS ARE SHITTY AND SHOULD ALL DIE" I'm just saying that if you had to chose to save a dog or a human, the odds are that the dog would do a lot more good in it's life than a human.

[QUOTE=Frustration96;43610502]Animals never hurt anyone or do anything bad unless they are provoked or are "trained" to do it (like idiots train pit bulls). I'm sure there are some bad animals out there but in general animals won't do anything unless they need to defend themselves or their families. Humans on the whole are pretty shitty. Of course there are a lot of good humans and I'm not denying that, but even a lot of these good humans when in groups tend to act shittier and don't care about anyone around them. Another problem with humans is their ideals. They are willing to go to the lengths of torture (I have never heard of an animal torturing anything) just because of a silly idea (religion for example). Again, I'm not saying anything like "ALL HUMANS ARE SHITTY AND SHOULD ALL DIE" I'm just saying that if you had to chose to save a dog or a human, the odds are that the dog would do a lot more good in it's life than a human.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't do "good" or "bad" because its mind is too simple to comprehend personal motives and beliefs that push complex human interaction. You argue that dogs are better than humans because they are too undeveloped (dumb) to do things that may be perceived as purposely "negative." sorry but you're a sadist

[QUOTE=Loriborn;43610590]It wouldn't do "good" or "bad" because its mind is too simple to comprehend personal motives and beliefs that push complex human interaction. You argue that dogs are better than humans because they are too undeveloped (dumb) to do things that may be perceived as "negative." sorry but you're a sadist[/QUOTE] All you have said here is that humans are "smart" enough to do bad things. Does that not prove my point? If we are so smart then why do we always do things that can be perceived as negative? Shouldn't we use that evolutionary advantage to help the "dumb" animals instead of look down on them for being "dumb"? Also how the hell does any of this make me a sadist?

[QUOTE=Frustration96;43610629]All you have said here is that humans are "smart" enough to do bad things. Does that not prove my point? If we are so smart then why do we always do things that can be perceived as negative? Shouldn't we use that evolutionary advantage to help the "dumb" animals instead of look down on them for being "dumb"? Also how the hell does any of this make me a sadist?[/QUOTE] Um, but we don't "do bad things." We do things that we think are beneficial to ourselves and those we care about, and usually, we don't try to hurt other people. (empathy and sympathy as evolutionary traits woop woop) We don't do things that can be perceived as negative just for the sake of being bad guys, we do things, and sometimes there is a party involved that gets hurt as a result; animals will kill just because they want to or can, or because they need to. (I've had dogs kill my chickens, just because "why not." They didn't actually eat the chickens of course) You're arguing that because dogs are too dumb to engage in complex interaction that would result in a harmed third party, (the person who is "hurt") they are superior to humans. I'm sorry, but with intelligence, comes the necessity to engage in actions that affect multiple people in complex ways, and sometimes those actions have victims. Maybe you were bullied a lot as a kid or something so you "lost faith in humanity," but a dog doesn't do "bad" things because it isn't capable of rational thought; once you gain sentience, and develop opinions and critical thinking skills, everything you do has some negative consequences, regardless of how great of a person you think you're being. (this isn't including mentally disturbed individuals who have a condition that drives them to commit a heinous crime. In this case, they're acting as instinctively and irrationally as a dog would)

[QUOTE=Loriborn;43610709]Um, but we don't "do bad things." We do things that we think are beneficial to ourselves and those we care about, and usually, we don't try to hurt other people. (empathy and sympathy as evolutionary traits woop woop) We don't do things that can be perceived as negative just for the sake of being bad guys, we do things, and sometimes there is a party involved that gets hurt as a result; animals will kill just because they want to or can, or because they need to. (I've had dogs kill my chickens, just because "why not." They didn't actually eat the chickens of course) You're arguing that because dogs are too dumb to engage in complex interaction that would result in a harmed third party, (the person who is "hurt") they are superior to humans. I'm sorry, but with intelligence, comes the necessity to engage in actions that affect multiple people in complex ways, and sometimes those actions have victims. Maybe you were bullied a lot as a kid or something so you "lost faith in humanity," but a dog doesn't do "bad" things because it isn't capable of rational thought; once you gain sentience, and develop opinions and critical thinking skills, everything you do has some negative consequences, regardless of how great of a person you think you're being. (this isn't including mentally disturbed individuals who have a condition that drives them to commit a heinous crime. In this case, they're acting as instinctively and irrationally as a dog would)[/QUOTE] Whether the bad things we do have a positive effect to some or not they are still "bad things". While I see where you are coming from I think there are a lot more people doing things that would negatively effect someone else a lot and only benefit them a little, and they just don't care about it. If they are doing good then they couldn't care less about others. Of course I am over generalising and there are a lot of people who do good things the vast majority of the time and their great, but there is also a far too large percentage of people who do not. Also just because a dog may act the same if it had the same evolutionary traits as a human does not change the fact that in their current form they do not have these human flaws. (I still don't see how any of this makes me a sadist in anyway...)

[QUOTE=Frustration96;43610854]Whether the bad things we do have a positive effect to some or not they are still "bad things". While I see where you are coming from I think there are a lot more people doing things that would negatively effect someone else a lot and only benefit them a little, and they just don't care about it. If they are doing good then they couldn't care less about others.[/QUOTE] citation needed [quote]Of course I am over generalising and there are a lot of people who do good things the vast majority of the time and their great, but there is also a far too large percentage of people who do not.[/quote] citation needed; when was the last time a dog gave money to the needy or donated time or money to a charity; the less advanced an animal is mentally, the less "bad" they do, sure, but they also do a helluva lot less "good" things. It's a proportional thing. [quote]Also just because a dog may act the same if it had the same evolutionary traits as a human does not change the fact that in their current form they do not have these human flaws. (I still don't see how any of this makes me a sadist in anyway...)[/quote] You're right, they don't have our flaws, because they are much less intelligent. Hell, you should love bacteria. Little buggers are even better than dogs because they instinctively do even less; if that's too small, perhaps a house fly?

You have a disabled son?

[QUOTE=Loriborn;43610877]citation needed citation needed; when was the last time a dog gave money to the needy or donated time or money to a charity You're right, they don't have our flaws, because they are much less intelligent. Hell, you should love bacteria. Little buggers are even better than dogs because they instinctively do even less; if that's too small, perhaps a house fly?[/QUOTE] So the smarter something is the more valued it should be? That makes sense. At this point I am more interested in how you thought this made me a sadist in anyway, it's mind boggling to me. EDIT: And about the money thing, as you said if a dog had human intelligence then it would do like we do, which means it would give money to homeless and charities. But while it does not have this intelligance it does all the good it can do in it's current form.

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[QUOTE=Frustration96;43610910]So the smarter something is the more valued it should be? That makes sense. At this point I am more interested in how you thought this made me a sadist in anyway, it's mind boggling to me.[/QUOTE] [quote]I feel the same way. If I saw a human about to drown and a dog about to drown I would try and save the dog because animals are just better overall in my book. Having said that I don't think you should let this be something that anyone IRL knows about, especially your son.[/quote] You agree with the first guy, who is probably a gimmick account; you're basically agreeing with a guy who purposely made a post sound insane because, you know, it's funny. You actually legitimately agreed with him though. You also said you'd save a fucking [B]dog[/B] over a human life because your mentality is "If I save the human, he might do bad things in his life, he's too smart to be trusted! A dog is too dumb to do anything bad or good, so might as well save it instead!" and frankly that's disgusting. Any sensible person would suggest (assuming the OP isn't a gimmick) that he give his son to someone who can take care of him and love him, but you want him to brush it under the rug and continue loving animals more than his disabled son. (but in reality, the post was made to incite argument by getting someone to agree with him and be ousted by sensible people) [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Frustration96;43610910] And about the money thing, as you said if a dog had human intelligence then it would do like we do, which means it would give money to homeless and charities. But while it does not have this intelligance it does all the good it can do in it's current form.[/QUOTE] If a dog had human intelligence, it would be a human in dog form (mentally, in terms of behaviour) and do all the heinous shit that we do. Sentience is required to do "bad" and "good" things. Once a creature gains sentience, like a dog, and is smart enough to "give to charity," it's going to do all the "bad" stuff we do just the same. If something can feel empathy, it can feel revenge and pride and arrogance and all the emotions that drive us to do things that harm others. You can't pick and choose which mental complexes creatures develop; it's all or none. Once an animal gains our level of sentience, behaviorally, they'll be no different than us in how they justify their actions; this basically means, whenever something is smart, it starts doing stuff that can be perceived as "purposely negative." You can't have conscious "good" decisions without "bad" ones.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;43610969]You agree with the first guy, who is probably a gimmick account; you're basically agreeing with a guy who purposely made a post sound insane because, you know, it's funny. You actually legitimately agreed with him though. You also said you'd save a fucking [b]dog[/b] over a human life because your mentality is "If i save the human he might do bad things in his life, he's too smart to be trust! A dog is too dumb to do anything bad or good, so might as well save it instead!" and frankly that's disgusting. Any sensible person would suggest (assuming the OP isn't a gimmick) that he give his son to someone who can take care of him and love him, but you want him to brush it under the rug and continue loving animals more than his disabled son. [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] If a dog have human intelligence, it would be a human in dog form and do all the heinous shit that we do. Sentience is required to do "bad" and "good" things. Once a creature gains sentience, like a dog, and is smart enough to "give to charity," it's going to do all the "bad" stuff we do just the same. Once an animal gains out level of sentience, behaviorally, they'll be no different than us in how they justify their actions; this basically means, whenever something is smart, it starts doing stuff that can be perceived as negatively. You can't have conscious "good decisions" without "bad" ones.[/QUOTE] "you'd save a fucking [b]dog[/b]" This is what I am talking about. Why is it that dogs or any animal for that matter are looked at like they are below humans. I understand picking a human over an animal sure, but the fact that you sound so disgusted by it is insane. About OP's topic, you are assuming that just because of this that he does not care for and look after his son. Now that I have seen his other post I agree he is probably a troll and if not is just plain stupid but prior to knowing that I am sure that he would have been able to live a full and happy life with his son even with this fact there. As long as the son did not know of course.

I think OP might be a furry

Why not, I donno....Value life in general?

[QUOTE=Frustration96;43611053]"you'd save a fucking [b]dog[/b]" This is what I am talking about. Why is it that dogs or any animal for that matter are looked at like they are below humans. I understand picking a human over an animal sure, but the fact that you sound so disgusted by it is insane.[/quote] It isn't insane. Humans are more developed; they can understand emotions and have self determination and sentience, something dogs do not. So far, we haven't proven that animals have the same level of consciousness as we do, but we have proven that many lack the emotional stimulation that we do. Until we do have evidence to suggest that animals, such as dogs, can think and self question, a human "suffers" more a situation (like drowning) than a dog does. It's a touchy subject, mostly because we don't know just how consciously animals are of themselves and their surroundings, but generally speaking, we know humans understand empathy and have the complex mental conditions that allow for critical thinking. It's not that we're smarter, it's that we feel a greater variety of emotions that are more complicated and diverse than any animal; generally, the less advanced you get on the evolutionary level, the greater the belief that the creature lacks sentience. I mean, we know that insects act completely on instinct, we just don't know how that applies to other animals. [quote]About OP's topic, you are assuming that just because of this that he does not care for and look after his son. Now that I have seen his other post I agree he is probably a troll and if not is just plain stupid but prior to knowing that I am sure that he would have been able to [b] live a full and happy life with his son [/b] even with this fact there. As long as the son did not know of course.[/QUOTE] Not if the son and dog were both in a burning house and he could only save one. Plus you know, gotta divide those finances somehow; might as well spend the extra money on premium dog food and just get the baby some cheap ass crap. See how this cycle goes?

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;43611088]I think OP might be a furry[/QUOTE] Is that wrong? And even if it is like you say, he would be a Zoo then. Not everything about prefer animals is called furry. :>

[QUOTE=Wyvyrias;43611187]Is that wrong? And even if it is like you say, he would be a Zoo then. Not everything about prefer animals is called furry. :>[/QUOTE] never said being a furry is wrong.

Depends on the animal on for me, Most pets I usually care about, but if its a wild animal that runs out in the road and gets run over then don't expect me to feel sorry for it

Do the right thing for your dog and turn your son into dog food. Its what Hitler would of wanted.

I've always thought it was stupid to jump at a starving, dying dog before you would a starving, dying kid. But maybe I might be a little bias, I'm not a pet person in the slightest.