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"The world is not ran by morals. It is ran off laws, regulations, and restrictions-- which are ran by morals." -Me Made that statement up while I was arguing that I shouldn't be banned for using "Bhop" scripts (jumping around to move faster) in a video game, where it is not listed ANYWHERE that such an act is prohibited. What are your opinions and stances on this statement? I believe that this is a true statement. While I do not agree to it, it is a very indisputable way of governing laws. I think it deserves it's place to stay in society. Original source of post: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/492379439685908975/#p3[/url]

Morals are not real. We are all dead. Fuck America.

If bhop scripting is what's causing your philosophical breakthroughs you need to go outside

[QUOTE=paindoc;49262236]If bhop scripting is what's causing your philosophical breakthroughs you need to go outside[/QUOTE] If I am getting philosophical breakthroughs I doubt I am going outside anyway.

is this Facepunch's version of Reddit's "I am euphoric.."?

if you were achieving your gameplay through live hand movements you would have an argument scripting a means to outperform other players, and the usage of such scripts, is flat out cheating and is an implicit rule similar to how you can be kicked out of a restaurant for constantly screaming, despite there being no sign telling you not to

[QUOTE=bitches;49262385]if you were achieving your gameplay through live hand movements you would have an argument scripting a means to outperform other players, and the usage of such scripts, is flat out cheating and is an implicit rule similar to how you can be kicked out of a restaurant for constantly screaming, despite there being no sign telling you not to[/QUOTE] But that is a law-- Being a public nuisance. Valve supports in game scripting, and no where does it prohibit macros.

[QUOTE=JasonChang55;49262522]But that is a law-- Being a public nuisance. Valve supports in game scripting, and no where does it prohibit macros.[/QUOTE] you can struggle to convince yourself that automated skills are not against the spirit of the game all you want but you're still going to get banned when you get caught

This quote is something you would see on tumblr and forget about it.

Laws and regulations aren't never perfect or even up to date.

[QUOTE=KOS-MOS;49262560]This quote is something you would see on tumblr and forget about it.[/QUOTE] This so much :v:

Are you a professional quote maker?

I hope you feel euphoric. You know, from the rush of using a script to ruin the point of skill and quickly sap the fun out of the game for yourself and others. No really this is a dick move, cheating just ruins the fun for others and I don't need morals to tell me thats bad and is against the rules for just reasons. If its not listed in the rules its assumed you know its seen as bad or malign (because it is). In terms of going outside, go to the library and read a book on this shit or something. Just don't be like every "I took one semester of psych now I know everything" student ever. This is a silly thread why am I here I'll shorten my statement. [QUOTE] While I do not agree to it, it is a very indisputable way of governing laws.[/QUOTE] No

"Quoting yourself is really pretentious" - me

I'm 17 what do you expect

[QUOTE=JasonChang55;49265308]I'm 17 what do you expect[/QUOTE] better

[QUOTE=JasonChang55;49265308]I'm 17 what do you expect[/QUOTE] when hitler was 17 he had already set the basis for the 3rd reich.

[QUOTE=JasonChang55;49265308]I'm 17 what do you expect[/QUOTE] I'm also 17. That statement means nothing after you know what the argument of age equals immaturity thing is. You're just being pretentious. And about macroing, it is the same thing as scripting. It falls into a grey area that needs to be clarified, but still. It's scripting. Making a computer do a repitition of actions to make it easier on the user usually falls under it. It might not be on the same scale as aimbot, but you're still having a computer do an action for you that gives a distinct advantage over people that don't. Now, you could argue that buy binds are the same thing, and for the most part, you're right. But it's something in the game by default. Same with binding the scroll wheel as jump to spam it. Of course you have your own opinion, and that's fine. This whole thing is based on morals. But to me, it's like enabling autohop on a default server, which DOES give you an advantage.

-snip-

[QUOTE=JasonChang55;49265486]If your argument envelops gaming as a generality (killing someone in a game is OK but not in real life) then proceed.[/QUOTE] uhm... don't you mean the opposite or are you some kind of real life sociopath?

[QUOTE=matt000024;49265494]uhm... don't you mean the opposite or are you some kind of real life sociopath?[/QUOTE] Yes forgive the typo. *proceed to the original post [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] Actually, the original post is solely for being banned for scripting. I retract that. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=.Vel;49265369]I'm also 17. That statement means nothing after you know what the argument of age equals immaturity thing is. You're just being pretentious. And about macroing, it is the same thing as scripting. It falls into a grey area that needs to be clarified, but still. It's scripting. Making a computer do a repitition of actions to make it easier on the user usually falls under it. It might not be on the same scale as aimbot, but you're still having a computer do an action for you that gives a distinct advantage over people that don't. Now, you could argue that buy binds are the same thing, and for the most part, you're right. But it's something in the game by default. Same with binding the scroll wheel as jump to spam it. Of course you have your own opinion, and that's fine. This whole thing is based on morals. But to me, it's like enabling autohop on a default server, which DOES give you an advantage.[/QUOTE] That was my entire argument in the original post. If I am banned for using a macro then everything should be banned, provided the full reason I was banned was because the macro itself set it off and not some trojan/hidden hack inside the file. I do apologize for the 17 years old statement that was in fact pretentious. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=paindoc;49263000]I hope you feel euphoric. You know, from the rush of using a script to ruin the point of skill and quickly sap the fun out of the game for yourself and others. No really this is a dick move, cheating just ruins the fun for others and I don't need morals to tell me thats bad and is against the rules for just reasons. If its not listed in the rules its assumed you know its seen as bad or malign (because it is). In terms of going outside, go to the library and read a book on this shit or something. Just don't be like every "I took one semester of psych now I know everything" student ever. This is a silly thread why am I here I'll shorten my statement. No[/QUOTE] Hopping is scripting. If bhopping is banned then why is scripting a grey area it should be one way or the other completely.

Some admins may see unscripted bhopping as a natural progression of player skill, and only have a distaste for those who use a script to achieve the effects instead of gameplay talent.

[QUOTE=bitches;49265686]Some admins may see unscripted bhopping as a natural progression of player skill, and only have a distaste for those who use a script to achieve the effects instead of gameplay talent.[/QUOTE] The problem is I was banned from competitive play. It says it is a VAC ban but I heard that overwatch is displayed as VACs, so "external assistance" may have been triggered by people who think bhopping is cheating. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] Keep in mind this is all speculation and I may have got a bug that triggered the same time I turned on a bhp macro. Perhaps in the macro itself. The world may never know.

[QUOTE=JasonChang55;49266572]The problem is I was banned from competitive play. It says it is a VAC ban but I heard that overwatch is displayed as VACs, so "external assistance" may have been triggered by people who think bhopping is cheating. [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] Keep in mind this is all speculation and I got a bug that triggered the same time I turned on a bhp macro. Perhaps in the macro itself. The world may never know.[/QUOTE] you were banned from one community's servers for using bhop key scripts, or you were banned for using a program to input key presses into the game (which would mean a VAC ban) in either scenario it is justified because you were using means other than your own live finger-born gameplay to compete against others

[QUOTE=bitches;49266582]you were banned from one community's servers for using bhop key scripts, or you were banned for using a program to input key presses into the game (which would mean a VAC ban) in either scenario it is justified because you were using means other than your own live finger-born gameplay to compete against others[/QUOTE] I was using a macro that spammed the space key. Professional players use timed key binds to throw nades in the game in really specific places. If hopping around in a game that limits your speed to 300 is banable then these should be too. IMO at least

[QUOTE=JasonChang55;49266603]I was using a macro that spammed the space key. Professional players use timed key binds to throw nades in the game in really specific places. If hopping around in a game that limits your speed to 300 is banable then these should be too. IMO at least[/QUOTE] i agree you'd have to ask admins that allow grenade macros why they allow them, because i've got no idea

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;49266610]Any sort of macro or script in a game that does not need them is cheating. You need macros and stuff in WoW and other MMOs, not to Bhop in CS[/QUOTE] But then why do professional players get to use timed grenade throws, and why does valve allow them to be used and not ban for them?

[QUOTE=JasonChang55;49266661]But then why do professional players get to use timed grenade throws, and why does valve allow them to be used and not ban for them?[/QUOTE] because pros bring in shekels for volvo

[QUOTE=JasonChang55;49266661]But then why do professional players get to use timed grenade throws, and why does valve allow them to be used and not ban for them?[/QUOTE] valve does not issue VAC bans for anything but what can, by their calculations, be proven as cheating as such, it does not ban for macros; such ambiguities (macros were not added to the game just to allow fancy movement tricks) are left to server admins to decide vac bans are only issued when you use an external program or .dll module to change the way the game engine fundamentally operates (hardcore definitive cheating) [editline]7th December 2015[/editline] unless you're referring to tournament stuff held by valve servers which would come down to some cultural discrepancy that you'd have to ask those involved about

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;49266852]Timed grenade throws are a little different than Bhopping around at the speed of stupid, if you ask me[/QUOTE] Explain the fundamental difference between the two. Fundamentally they are using script codes to make a in game task requiring skill and timing easier.