Hello, my friend is crazy and I need help understanding how her restraining order works - General

long story short: friend harassed her neighbor countless of times, she is very schizophrenic and believes her neighbor is putting wires in her face, chips in her car, spying on her house with cams, etc the general crazy stuff. Her neighbor runs a therapy business from her home for trauma clients. My friend is now harassing her clients. [B]Is this a violation of her neighbor's restraining order? Will my friend be sent to jail if the police get involved?[/B] My friend is a cunning woman, and she is smart and knows when to act normal which is why she's been living with society for a long time. I am worried the police don't see her as a threat when she is. Thanks for the replies, I'm just trying to understand what little of it I can gather

I dont think she will be sent to the jail, more likely police will call her psychiatrist and ask for recommendation about what to do with her. (eg. if she is dangerous to herself and others, need to be restrained or sent to the mental institution for some temporary time)

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[QUOTE=Kastro;48099911]I dont think she will be sent to the jail, more likely police will call her psychiatrist and ask for recommendation about what to do with her. (eg. if she is dangerous to herself and others, need to be restrained or sent to the mental institution for some temporary time)[/QUOTE] You can go to jail for this. Maybe not charged but definitely arrested and detained for a while until things are sorted out. I don't know if this would violate the restraining order we would need more information on what guidelines were put forth, but I'm pretty sure this is harassment regardless.

I hate to say this if she is your friend, but you could rat on her if you feel she needs help and/or treatment. At least getting her to a psychic evaluation would be a start.

[QUOTE=Radley;48099960]I hate to say this if she is your friend, but you could rat on her if you feel she needs help and/or treatment. At least getting her to a psychic evaluation would be a start.[/QUOTE] yeah, me along with the rest of her family and friends have been trying to get her help. The mental health system is [b]really[/b] goddamn frustrating. She is really paranoid now, and has turned in a reclusive woman that thinks we are all out to get her. She hears voices every day and the local police station knows about her now. It's been a decline in her mental health for the past month. She's escaped from a hospital and had gone AWOL for a short amount of time before we tracked her down where she resisted arrest by police. That was the only thing that got her into a higher security hospital in the first place. Six or seven days later they let her out, and now she's worse. She thinks the neighbor and her 'boyfriend' (she doesn't have one, it's all in my friend's head) are poisoning her dog now, thinks there's ticks in her legs, all this really weird unsettling shit. We are at a dead end right now, we've been informed COUNTLESS of times that since she's technically not a threat to others (physically, although breaking into someone's porch doesn't warrant that for some reason, because she did break into her neighbor's porch which is enclosed) and not a threat to herself, aka isn't suicidal, she can't be admitted to a mental hospital. In a weird way we are hoping that she fucks something up with this restraining order. It's the only way she'll get help. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] she IS a danger to herself because she drives, and she can barely walk to begin with. She shouldn't be on the fucking roads. She's manipulative and overall a nasty, nasty person that has become a twisted piece of shit.

Just to give people more insight to the situation this friend fudge is talking about happens to be my mother. We've done everything we can lately, we visited my mom's general physician, contacted sources of mental help in my county for advice, etc. they've all told us to wait for the appointment with a psychiatrist my mother has on monday. We literally cannot do anything unless she is a danger to herself (suicidal) or to other people. But at this rate I don't think we can even wait over the weekend for her to get help. A big thank you in advance to anyone who has any helpful advice, we're just really at fucking wits ends and don't know what to do. Fudge and I are both so mentally, physically, and emotionally drained from all of this and appreciate anyone who can give us advice.

Not having ever dealt with mentally unstable people I can't really give you any solid advice, but I will say that you seem to care for your mother and have done everything in your power to help her. Keep up the good work.

[QUOTE=Radley;48099960]I hate to say this if she is your friend, but you could rat on her if you feel she needs help and/or treatment. At least getting her to a [B]psychic evaluation[/B] would be a start.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.laxpsychic.com/images/psychicball.jpg[/img] ???

Well, her neighbor called the police apparently tonight but none came yet. I'm wondering if they'll come tonight or tomorrow, or not come at all. I'm really worried she's going to keep getting off scott free

Call the cops. I'm serious, if you feel like the situation is dire enough that you can't wait over the weekend. Call 911 and explain the situation and they'll do their best to help you. They are trained to respond to family issues, even if it means just separating the family for a while. [editline]asdf[/editline] Oops your neighbor beat you to it. Depending on the kind of restraining order, police may never show up. It could just become a civil court issue. You can read up about it here: [url]http://fvlc.org/learn/know-the-law/restraining-orders/[/url]

the good thing is about this situation, we've made great friends out of the cops :v: Thanks for the link! [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] I've met with like ten different cops altogether thanks to this whole crazy fiasco. Some were... really bad, some were REALLY good people that have been helping us since the beginning. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] if I can somehow get ahold of the papers again, I will. from what I can remember, since I only skim-read it, is that it sounds like some basic stuff. She's not permitted anywhere near her neighbor, no contact (letters, phone calls, emails) It's all I can remember and my mind is a little fuzzy right now to remember anything else. she didn't even go to court because she skipped out on it. but now she pulls this harrassment card on one of her clients, about fifteen - twenty feet away from her neighbor's house. She's smart and knows how to get around this shit. I'm wondering if her interrupting her neighbor's business and causing public unrest will be considered breaking the rules of her restraining order. [editline]1st July 2015[/editline] edited: it's a Temporary Restraining Order in wisconsin, I think the lifespan of it will be five years

An update to the situation, last night my mom called the cops and claimed her car was stolen, car was sitting RIGHT outside of our house, and that her car keys were stolen from the neighbor she has been pinning the blame on. Lately she's also been writing REALLY creepy and ominous notes for her neighbor saying she's going to go to a place that she's not going to be, also 'the truth will set me free' over and over. I told the cops about the notes and how I feel threatened for my neighbors safety and my own, they told me they can't do anything unless she puts a knife to herself or the neighbor (really great am I right?). So today she asked fudge and I to go over to her neighbor's house to ask for the keys for her, which would be a violation of the restraining order. We don't know what to fucking do. She's so out of sorts and so goddamn defensive and hysterical you can't talk any sense into her. So fudge and I have been discussing some options: 1.) We do go over to the neighbor and show her the notes we have confiscated that my mom has been writing about her and hopefully [I]she'll[/I] report to the cops that she feels threatened and will take my mom away. And by us going over there it IS a violation of the restraining order and she will be in trouble. 2.) We just let her go on her rampage and hopefully she'll do something that can warrant us calling the police on her and taking her away (I reaaaaaaaaally don't personally want to do this option because I am fucking terrified of her and the police can't do shit about it unless actually physically attacks me). and that's all we can think of. We're so goddamn tense and can't think straight. I could barely even type this post up because she kept snapping at me and shit.

Show the neighbor the notes. It'll be the best way to avoid a meltdown. Besides, the restraining order doesn't cover you guys; you're in the clear.

[QUOTE=PaperBurrito;48114583]Show the neighbor the notes. It'll be the best way to avoid a meltdown. Besides, the restraining order doesn't cover you guys; you're in the clear.[/QUOTE] But if we communicated on [I]her[/I] behalf to the neighbor wouldn't that technically violate the restraining order? She's not allowed to communicate at all to the neighbor so I'm just a little confused on how it works. I'm pretty brand new to all this so I hope you don't mind me questioning it.

to anyone who has to deal with mentally unhealthy people: the system is fucked, am I right

[QUOTE=kingstead;48114655]But if we communicated on [I]her[/I] behalf to the neighbor wouldn't that technically violate the restraining order? She's not allowed to communicate at all to the neighbor so I'm just a little confused on how it works. I'm pretty brand new to all this so I hope you don't mind me questioning it.[/QUOTE] you're doing it to show the neighbor the threats she's making. if you had the intent to help her you would leave them on her porch or something, and that would violate the order, but you're effectively telling on her, not trying to help her break the order.

[QUOTE=PaperBurrito;48122057]you're doing it to show the neighbor the threats she's making. if you had the intent to help her you would leave them on her porch or something, and that would violate the order, but you're effectively telling on her, not trying to help her break the order.[/QUOTE] Ah okay yeah that makes sense! Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately fudge and I had to call the police on her because she refused to take no for an answer with us confronting her neighbor. So we went outside and called the police and we told them everything and they brushed it off since she's not suicidal or homocidal. So I guess we'll update this thread on Monday when she has her psyc appointment.