I still think they should have brought in a new character and have the original Sam Fisher play an advisory role similar to Grimsdottir. There's no reason why Sam Fisher should have been the leader of Echelon and out on the field and now he's more acrobatic than ever?
Ironside's voice was perfect for Fisher. No other voice will be as good I think.
On an unrelated note I wish my name was as badass as Michael Ironside. :v:
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;46198508]Ironside's voice was perfect for Fisher. No other voice will be as good I think.
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I think Kiefer Sutherland would fit the role much much better. Let's replace Ironside with him!
ubisoft doesnt have the balls or talent for kiefer
I think it was a great idea in that the newer Splinter Cell games are not actually Splinter Cell games. Ironside's version of Fisher was a cool cat who used the shadows to his advantage killing only when required in a certain situation the player put himself in. The new games put you in those situations linearly and force you into Jason Bourne mode
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46200080]I think it was a great idea in that the newer Splinter Cell games are not actually Splinter Cell games. Ironside's version of Fisher was a cool cat who used the shadows to his advantage killing only when required in a certain situation the player put himself in. The new games put you in those situations linearly and force you into Jason Bourne mode[/QUOTE]
Conviction yes, it was pretty much forced fighting absolutely everywhere.
Blacklist - not so much. Ghosting and stealth, instead of run'n'gun, was perfectly viable and nicely done after all they've done to go into the shitty direction they took with Conviction.
The climax of the series, however, will always be Chaos Theory :(
[QUOTE=DMGaina;46198570]I think Kiefer Sutherland would fit the role much much better. Let's replace Ironside with him![/QUOTE]
I imagine we'll reach some singularity where all franchise main characters need to be old and gruff and kiefer will be in every single game to be released
They should just leave Sam Fisher with his family and retire or something like that.
[QUOTE=Korova;46198304]I still think they should have brought in a new character and have the original Sam Fisher play an advisory role similar to Grimsdottir. There's no reason why Sam Fisher should have been the leader of Echelon and out on the field and now he's more acrobatic than ever?[/QUOTE]
it's weird though cos they actually more or less do exactly that with briggs, which leads me to think they also really wanted to replace sam but weren't allowed to. so instead they kinda cheat and just have you play him SOME of the time and make him an equally important character. i guess maybe so that later on in the franchise they can be like "well it wouldn't be THAT weird if we permanently swapped him for sam (wink wink)"
also the last level where you play as briggs with the balaclava and the gear and it's very classic stealth game stuff really felt like the developers were like "yeah we know you wanted us to do this"
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46200263]Conviction yes, it was pretty much forced fighting absolutely everywhere.
Blacklist - not so much. Ghosting and stealth, instead of run'n'gun, was perfectly viable and nicely done after all they've done to go into the shitty direction they took with Conviction.
The climax of the series, however, will always be Chaos Theory :([/QUOTE]
Chaos Theory was pure brilliance. I don't think I've ever played a spy game that was as good as/better than Chaos Theory.
[QUOTE=DMGaina;46198570]I think Kiefer Sutherland would fit the role much much better. Let's replace Ironside with him![/QUOTE]
but then it'd literally just be 24
actually wait. Splinter Cell and 24 crossover. Shit this is a great idea
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46200263]Conviction yes, it was pretty much forced fighting absolutely everywhere.
Blacklist - not so much. Ghosting and stealth, instead of run'n'gun, was perfectly viable and nicely done after all they've done to go into the shitty direction they took with Conviction.
The climax of the series, however, will always be Chaos Theory :([/QUOTE]
Man, Chaos Theory was great
Yeah it didn't feel like I was playing Sam Fisher
The new guy felt like a generic CIA douchebag
Removing Ironside from Fisher removed the character from Fisher, might as well have just gave us an entirely different agent. They could have given Fisher a support job like Lambert in the first few games, tied up his story then moved on to the next character... it would have made more sense at least.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;46205636]Chaos Theory was pure brilliance. I don't think I've ever played a spy game that was as good as/better than Chaos Theory.[/QUOTE]
Remember that Bank mission? Oh, and the Kokubososho.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;46208435]Remember that Bank mission? Oh, and the Kokubososho.[/QUOTE]
"You're the bad guy!"
"You're the guy with the secret underground base, I'm the guy sneaking into the secret underground base. That makes me the good guy."
[QUOTE=G71tc4;46200272]I imagine we'll reach some singularity where all franchise main characters need to be old and gruff and kiefer will be in every single game to be released[/QUOTE]
That already happened with Nolan North
I enjoyed Blacklist quite a bit but if Eric Johnson (new actor) was his own character half the complaints would be gone. Bringing a new agent would work with the pick-your-playstyle theme and although Johnson has a deep voice he could play young Fisher at best. Not to mention Fisher's old age was one of his character traits. Another thing is that new Sam is both leader and top agent of the new agency which is just crazy because him giving orders and stricly following guidelines is quite out of character. And new Sam lost his sense of humor.
In perfect world Old Sam would recruit and train new agent for 4th Echelon, in respectful world Grim would be the only leader of 4th Echelon training new agents and in Ubisoft world we got too young actor for Sam who's about 60 and wanted out of the spy business.
[QUOTE]“It was very stiff, very inflexible, and very bloody and violent,” he told Redditors. “I was going to give them back their money. They asked me what would it take to keep me on the project, and I said we would have to change the character, and give him some type of humanity.”
And so Ironside sat down with the staff at Ubisoft Montreal and talked out the Sam Fisher we know - a man sardonic and empathetic enough to offset the blood-curdling grimness of holding a knife to a stranger’s throat.[/QUOTE]
See, that's exactly what the problem is, the new/current Sam Fisher is probably exactly the kind of Sam Fisher Ubisoft was envisioning all this time before Michael Ironside came along and gave it that spin the fans love.
So I guess technically Eric Johnson is more faithful to Sam Fisher than Michael Ironside was. I still think it was a mistake to get such a young actor to play an old veteran who wasn't even remotely interested in returning to Third Echelon.
Blacklist was a great game with unlikable protagonist and the worst part is that we'll most likely be stuck with Sam "Fountain-of-Youth" Fisher for the future.
I hate when games fuck up their story so much that they can't do things the fans wanted without rebooting the idea with a new character or something. The same shit happened with Saints Row.
[quote="Article"]Michael Ironside, the Canadian actor and [i]Starship Troopers [b]survivor[/b][/i][/quote]
Never knew he survived getting his legs eaten off, shot in the chest and then buried in the sand.
Just make it play earlier in time if your worried about how old he is.
[QUOTE=Sally;46218998]Just make it play earlier in time if your worried about how old he is.[/QUOTE]
Sam only joined Third Echelon and consequently became a Splinter Cell agent in 2004. In Splinter Cell 1. Voiced by Michael Ironside.
[QUOTE=gk99;46218279]I hate when games fuck up their story so much that they can't do things the fans wanted without rebooting the idea with a new character or something. The same shit happened with Saints Row.[/QUOTE]
This is why I fucking hate Double Agent with a fiery passion. It did shit with the story that nobody wanted or asked for and it sent the series into a fucking nose dive that it has yet to recover from. Ubisoft Shanghai single handedly killed Splinter-Cell and I will forever hate them for it.
Ubisoft Montreal should have retconned it instead of trying to salvage the turd that Shanghai created.
[editline]13th October 2014[/editline]
Well that and it was a broken buggy mess of a game that ran like ass and completely fucked up the formula that Chaos Theory had perfected.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;46220329]This is why I fucking hate Double Agent with a fiery passion. It did shit with the story that nobody wanted or asked for and it sent the series into a fucking nose dive that it has yet to recover from. Ubisoft Shanghai single handedly killed Splinter-Cell and I will forever hate them for it.
Ubisoft Montreal should have retconned it instead of trying to salvage the turd that Shanghai created.
[editline]13th October 2014[/editline]
Well that and it was a broken buggy mess of a game that ran like ass and completely fucked up the formula that Chaos Theory had perfected.[/QUOTE]
You mean you don't like unnecessarily forced drama, an underdeveloped romance, and daytime stealth missions?
The ending was also incredibly flacid.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;46223391]The ending was also incredibly flacid.[/QUOTE]
I had to look up the final cutscene on youtube just to see if I downloaded a corrupted file or something. It sucked major dick, that ending.
Honestly, they really should've made old Sam the Fourth Echelon leader. He has been through so much shit, both mentally and physically, he doesn't just fit in a world of drone warfare and technological superterrorism. I'd have been fine with playing as the black dude (I played as him in co-op all the time). I mean, sure, he lacked the charisma, but they could've built something on that.
The whole "3 playstyles" thing is really cool if Blacklist is your first SC game, but if you're at least somehow familiar with franchise, you know it needs to go. I don't want to be rewarded for royally screwing up stealth at every corner.
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