[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;48638469]Shine a laser in a human drivers eyes and they'll fuck up driving too though???[/QUOTE]
Only difference is the car can't look away.
If you can look at a reference point outside of the vehicle away from the laser, you still know where your vehicle is. Also helicopters have artificial horizons, altitude indicators, vertical and airspeed indicators, and gps specifically so that you don't have to rely on your surroundings to not crash the helicopter.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638557]you still know where your vehicle is.[/QUOTE]
... and what about everything in front of you?
At least you can keep it on the road while you stop rather than your tiny computer brain interpreting the feedback in some crazy way while your dead unmoving eyes stare directly into it.
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Like seriously how hard is it to see that being able to turn your head away provides a tangible benefit relative to staring directly into a laser, even if only for a short time to provide the feedback you need to get out of the situation. Some feedback is objectively better than none.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638576]At least you can keep it on the road while you stop rather than your tiny computer brain interpreting the feedback in some crazy way while your dead unmoving eyes stare directly into it.
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Like seriously how hard is it to see that being able to turn your head away provides a tangible benefit to staring directly into a laser.[/QUOTE]
Not crashing into whatever is in front of you because you can't see anything in front of you is a pretty good thing.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638486]Only difference is the car can't look away.[/QUOTE]
No shit, it's got omnidirectional vision??
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;48638596]Like seriously how hard is it to see that being able to turn your head away provides a distinct lack of vision from where you just turned your head from.[/QUOTE]
And you apparently have a 3-second goldfish memory and have absolutely no idea what was infront of you before you got a laser shined in your eyes? Use your situational awareness gained by the prior seconds of being able to see, it's literally exactly what your "software patch" would do.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;48638602]No shit, it's got omnidirectional vision??[/QUOTE]
They have omnidirectional sensors, but they are not optical.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638603]And you apparently have a 3-second goldfish memory and have absolutely no idea what was infront of you before you got a laser shined in your eyes?[/QUOTE]
Do you know how long three seconds can be when you're travelling at 60?
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That's enough time for a modestly fast bike to cross a road, or a sprinting kid to get half way
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638603]And you apparently have a 3-second goldfish memory and have absolutely no idea what was infront of you before you got a laser shined in your eyes? Approximate, it's literally exactly what your "software patch" would do.[/QUOTE]
So do you text and drive too? Same thing, just no lasers.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;48638611]Do you know how long three seconds can be when you're travelling at 60?
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That's enough time for a modestly fast bike to cross a road, or a sprinting kid to get half way[/QUOTE]
or 78 meters? odds are you're not driving on a residential road if you're going 60. If you get a laser shined in your eyes at highway speed then you probably have 3 seconds ahead of you to stop. Also I will point out that 3 seconds was a figure to make a point and was completely irrelevant to bring up.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;48638631]So do you text and drive too? Same thing, just no lasers.[/QUOTE]
Ever do a shoulder check? Oh no you looked away from the road! How come you're still here?
In other news, throwing a rock at the radar of a self-driving car can also disable them. I'll be presenting my findings at the upcoming Black Hat Europe conference
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638576]At least you can keep it on the road while you stop rather than your tiny computer brain interpreting the feedback in some crazy way while your dead unmoving eyes stare directly into it.
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Like seriously how hard is it to see that being able to turn your head away provides a tangible benefit relative to staring directly into a laser, even if only for a short time to provide the feedback you need to get out of the situation. Some feedback is objectively better than none.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUpmLbkzyEI[/media]
They're disorientating to pilots and are a big hazard. There is a reason why people are arrested for it.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638636]
Ever do a shoulder check? Oh no you looked away from the road! [B]How come you're still here?[/B][/QUOTE]
Because it's planned and doesn't dazzle you?
What are you even trying to prove here? That humans are somehow less susceptible to laser distraction?
This is stupid. People can be blinded just as easily, and today we can make sensors that are far more resistant to it than human eye, mainly when it comes to the rapid recovery immediately after the source of light is gone. You know what also stops self driving cars? Rocket launchers. And they stop normal cars too, it's kinda a similar case there.
Secondly, you can make the LIDARS redundant, and give the car a good dozen redundant sensor arrays and extrapolate from them. A well equipped self driving car has inherently better chance of handling an attack like that than a human does. Of course they will also slow down or even stop if the attack is bad enough.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638557]If you can look at a reference point outside of the vehicle away from the laser, you still know where your vehicle is. Also helicopters have artificial horizons, altitude indicators, vertical and airspeed indicators, and gps specifically so that you don't have to rely on your surroundings to not crash the helicopter.[/QUOTE]
When a laser hits a windscreen it has the possiblity to light the entire thing up.. This is why pilots in a plane cannot look away, it lights up the entire area.
[QUOTE=Jsm;48638672]When a laser hits a windscreen it has the possiblity to light the entire thing up.. This is why pilots in a plane cannot look away, it lights up the entire area.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UberMunchkin;48638673]Hold the fuck up. You know what happens when you shine a laser at a cockpit? It refracts.[/QUOTE]
Is that true? I'd have thought a windscreen for an aircraft which is meant to fly in direct sunlight would be engineered not to diffuse light through its entire surface like a piece of cheap plexiglass.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638723]Is that true? I'd have thought a windscreen for an aircraft which is meant to fly in direct sunlight would be engineered not to diffuse light through its entire surface like a piece of cheap plexiglass.[/QUOTE]
Even then, you cannot block the light that appears on the windshield and obscures the pilot's vision.
Unless, you know, you block the visible spectrum of colors that the laser can be... In which case you remove the glass and replace it with a sheet of metal.
Or maybe people should stop being dicks and shining lasers at aircraft, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638557]If you can look at a reference point outside of the vehicle away from the laser, you still know where your vehicle is.[B] Also helicopters have artificial horizons, altitude indicators, vertical and airspeed indicators, and gps specifically so that you don't have to rely on your surroundings to not crash the helicopter[/B].[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638723]Is that true? I'd have thought a windscreen for an aircraft which is meant to fly in direct sunlight would be engineered not to diffuse light through its entire surface like a piece of cheap plexiglass.[/QUOTE]
tbh the 2nd post I quoted is just pure ignorance. What happens when you shine a flashlight? the light gets "Wider". This happens to a laser pointer as well, only the effect is way more chaotic. It's way different than sunlight too, it's a different spectrum of light and it's direct light, green (laser) light is also extremely strong to the eyes.
[t]http://www.laserpointersafety.com/resources/FAA-photo-laser3-highest-res-1936x1296.jpg[/t][t]http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/7/3/i/1/5/9/o/LasersAimed-at-Aircraft-Cockpit.jpg[/t]
[url]http://www.laserpointersafety.com/[/url]
[video=youtube;RtKSdy2KAW4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtKSdy2KAW4[/video]
try relying on your instruments when you're flying when you see this. pilot's have to see where they are flying no matter what, and with a laser being shined at them it's literally a pilots nightmare. Looking down isn't really possible because you're still blinded by a laser.
there's a pretty good reason that people are being arrested for lasers.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638576]At least you can keep it on the road while you stop rather than your tiny computer brain interpreting the feedback in some crazy way while your dead unmoving eyes stare directly into it.
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Like seriously how hard is it to see that being able to turn your head away provides a tangible benefit relative to staring directly into a laser, even if only for a short time to provide the feedback you need to get out of the situation. Some feedback is objectively better than none.[/QUOTE]
Except you [B]NEVER LOOK AWAY FROM THE ROAD[/B] like that.
a second is a long time, far more than you think can happen in a second.
How about don't shine lasers at cars.
[QUOTE=Magman77;48638603]And you apparently have a 3-second goldfish memory and have absolutely no idea what was infront of you before you got a laser shined in your eyes? Use your situational awareness gained by the prior seconds of being able to see, it's literally exactly what your "software patch" would do.
They have omnidirectional sensors, but they are not optical.[/QUOTE]
do you seriously think you can just close your eyes while driving and avoid traffic and direct your car perfectly without looking, and know exactly where everything around you is?
it's pretty obvious that you don't drive. Anything can happen, someone can slam the brakes, someone can make a turn and you won't see them decelerating, it only takes less than a second to screw everything up and get in a crash.
but I guess you'll know if any of that happens because you're a savant at driving blind lol.
Holy shit, the comments on that helicopter video. Sometimes I think we should make the police force an opt-in service and make the list of everyone who uses them public, then the 'FUCK DA POLICE' quasi-anarchist bellends can see what it's like.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48638670]This is stupid. People can be blinded just as easily, and today we can make sensors that are far more resistant to it than human eye, mainly when it comes to the rapid recovery immediately after the source of light is gone. You know what also stops self driving cars? Rocket launchers. And they stop normal cars too, it's kinda a similar case there.
Secondly, you can make the LIDARS redundant, and give the car a good dozen redundant sensor arrays and extrapolate from them. A well equipped self driving car has inherently better chance of handling an attack like that than a human does. Of course they will also slow down or even stop if the attack is bad enough.[/QUOTE]
How is this stupid?
He discovered a potentially abusable security flaw and is going to present it so Google and the like can come up with ways to overcome it.
Yes of course if you chuck a rock at a car you'll disable it. Of course if you shine a laser at a person who is driving a car you are going to create a dangerous situation. None of these points are relevant though. This is not taking a shit on self driving cars, this is just another point to consider. There is also the potential to disable multiple cars at the same time compared to shining a laser at one car or chucking something at one.
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