Am I morally correct? - General

So I was in the car while my mom was filling it up with gas. She realizes that even though she had gave the man $10 the amount of gas she was getting was more then that so she suddenly stopped and payed the man for the extra gas . But here is the thing, if she wanted to she could have kept on going and allowed it to fill up her gas tank all the way. I told my mother she should have thought about filling it up all the way or at least keeping the amount she got. My reason being that the company that owned the gas station was something I would consider a bad company. Doing things like putting people in India's government so they could make sure it did stuff in there favor or buying patents of things that could help oil independence just so no one can use them. Also I wouldn't like to support oil use if I didn't have to. I believed it would be morally better to not have to give money to a company I would consider harmful. Not to mention my mother is low on gas and doesn't even know how she will be driving me to school this month. I never stole anything before but I believe my mother needed the gas. After I told my mother this she said stealing is bad no matter what and how it could hurt the people that manage the gas station. So what do you think? should she have taken the gas or did she do the right thing?

Shoulda filled it up and used the money you would've normally paid on relief funds. Insta-morality.

You are wrong. Paying for something you bought is a good morale thing. You used their service, so you must pay for their service. If you do not like their company or service, look for another company or service.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;28737684]You are wrong. Paying for something you bought is a good morale thing. You used their service, so you must pay for their service. If you do not like their company or service, look for another company or service.[/QUOTE] Well the thing is we did give them a $10 so it wouldn't be completely taking it from them. Also we were on empty so we couldn't look for another company.

People were/are dying for oil bullshit, just drive off. Fuck the man, man.

Just because the company isn't a good company doesn't give you any right to not do the right thing. Regardless of how good they are, doing the right thing should always come first.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28737629]So I was in the car while my mom was filling it up with gas. She realizes that even though she had gave the man $10 the amount of gas she was getting was more then that so she suddenly stopped and payed the man for the extra gas . But here is the thing, if she wanted to she could have kept on going and allowed it to fill up her gas tank all the way. I told my mother she should have thought about filling it up all the way or at least keeping the amount she got. My reason being that the company that owned the gas station was something I would consider a bad company. Doing things like putting people in India's government so they could make sure it did stuff in there favor or buying patents of things that could help oil independence just so no one can use them. Also I wouldn't like to support oil use if I didn't have to. I believed it would be morally better to not have to give money to a company I would consider harmful. Not to mention my mother is low on gas and doesn't even know how she will be driving me to school this month. I never stole anything before but I believe my mother needed the gas. After I told my mother this she said stealing is bad no matter what and how it could hurt the people that manage the gas station. So what do you think? should she have taken the gas or did she do the right thing?[/QUOTE] The morally bad thing you did was getting gas from that company in the first place. Stealing the extra gas is still a bad thing because even if you save some money, they'll still do terrible things, except the gas station probably gets less cash to support their workers. You support the company by buying their products, you support it also by stealing it.

[QUOTE=Onyx3173;28737823]Just because the company isn't a good company doesn't give you any right to not do the right thing. Regardless of how good they are, doing the right thing should always come first.[/QUOTE] Yes but I would consider this the right thing. It would mess with there profits which I would like. Im not going to say i'm as morally good but think about the abolitionist who stole slaves and took money away from the slave owners. They messed with a business they didn't like and helped people. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Gregah;28737864]The morally bad thing you did was getting gas from that company in the first place.[/QUOTE] was on empty and didn't have any other choice. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Gregah;28737864]you support it also by stealing it.[/QUOTE] I dont see how I could support something if I dont give money to it.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28737890]Yes but I would consider this the right thing. It would mess with there profits which I would like. Im not going to say i'm as morally good but think about the abolitionist who stole slaves and took money away from the slave owners. They messed with a business they didn't like and helped people. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] was on empty and didn't have any other choice.[/QUOTE] You're not messing with their profits, the gas company has already earned the money by selling it to the gas station. All you do is mess with the gas stations profits. Ofcourse you had a choice, getting gas from another company even if it means you might have to walk with a gascan (or get a friend to get you the gascan).

In this case, the money would have generated more happiness if your mom was the one spending it. You should have stolen the gas. Actually, the above guy has a point. It comes to who is poorer, whether it's likely that the gas station closes (and stops funding the evil company) because of it( or even if it helps), and whether that is good or not. Loads of variables here.

Its sorta like batman's morals. If you take more then you payed for, then you're no better then they are. Be a better person then those ass holes.

[QUOTE=Gregah;28737946]You're not messing with their profits, the gas company has already earned the money by selling it to the gas station. [/QUOTE] Well the less money the gas station makes the less gas they will be buying. Not to say I wouldn't feel bad for the owners of the gas station.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28737994]Well the less money the gas station makes the less gas they will be buying. Not to say I wouldn't feel bad for the owners of the gas station.[/QUOTE] And the gas company is still going to get a big enough profit that a single gas station doesn't matter jack shit for them. The gas station on the other hand may not be able to make a profit, so they have to shut down. And then you have a couple of people without jobs, and the gas company is still making profit.

I think it's sort of his fault for messing up at his job, but it still is morally correct to pay extra.

[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;28738111]I think it's sort of his fault for messing up at his job, but it still is morally correct to pay extra.[/QUOTE] And much like the company it would be morally wrong to take advantage of that situation. :)

[QUOTE=Gregah;28738082]And the gas company is still going to get a big enough profit that a single gas station doesn't matter jack shit for them. The gas station on the other hand may not be able to make a profit, so they have to shut down. And then you have a couple of people without jobs, and the gas company is still making profit.[/QUOTE] First it makes a difference even if small and its the sad truth that when gas stops being used a lot of people will be out of there jobs.

I work at a gas station and I'd say it is the mistake of the worker and not herself, she therefor has the right to keep the money, if the difference is minimal. The station knows when money is missing and if it happens too often the worker will be properly fired.

"Am I morally correct?" Learn your grammar young man.

[QUOTE=HerpDerper;28739191]"Am I morally correct?" Learn your grammar young man.[/QUOTE] Thanks for telling me after I already typed it and can't change it.

[QUOTE=ProgramFiles;28738674]I work at a gas station and I'd say it is the mistake of the worker and not herself, she therefor has the right to keep the money, if the difference is minimal. The station knows when money is missing and if it happens too often the worker will be properly fired.[/QUOTE] Yes, she has the right to keep the money legally, but morally? I would say fine, take it if you want, but I definitely wouldn't say it is morally better to take it than to pay for it.

"I don't agree with the oil and gas industries, so I'm just going to advocate stealing gas and oil." :frog:.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;28740438]"I don't agree with the oil and gas industries, so I'm just going to advocate stealing gas and oil." :frog:.[/QUOTE] Its not for some revenge reason. Its me trying to figure out if giving them money would hurt or help the world.

Morality is a simple function. TPBnft = Benefit of the favorable action on the third party PBnft = Personal benefit of the favorable action TPLoss = Third party's consequence of the negative action PLoss = Personal consequence of the negative action Based on a (0-10) gauge of magnitude, initialize and calculate the variables like so: [TPBnft - (0.75 * PBnft)] + [TPLoss - (0.6 * PLoss)] Should return a value around -10 to 10; lower values making it a worse idea and vice versa. This is why Jesus always carried an abacus.

Typically speaking gas stations are franchised, so they are independently owned, they only source their fuels from *insert oil company name here*. The only person it will hurt is the owner of that individual gas station.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28737629]So I was in the car while my mom was filling it up with gas. She realizes that even though she had gave the man $10 the amount of gas she was getting was more then that so she suddenly stopped and payed the man for the extra gas . But here is the thing, if she wanted to she could have kept on going and allowed it to fill up her gas tank all the way. I told my mother she should have thought about filling it up all the way or at least keeping the amount she got. My reason being that the company that owned the gas station was something I would consider a bad company. Doing things like putting people in India's government so they could make sure it did stuff in there favor or buying patents of things that could help oil independence just so no one can use them. Also I wouldn't like to support oil use if I didn't have to. I believed it would be morally better to not have to give money to a company I would consider harmful. Not to mention my mother is low on gas and doesn't even know how she will be driving me to school this month. I never stole anything before but I believe my mother needed the gas. After I told my mother this she said stealing is bad no matter what and how it could hurt the people that manage the gas station. So what do you think? should she have taken the gas or did she do the right thing?[/QUOTE] Awful rationalization for theft. If what you were doing was right you wouldn't have had to ask Facepunch.

Stealing from a gas station hurts the station owner, not the oil company.

I'm I?

No, what you did was not morally correct. Money is exchanged for product, don't use a product if you don't want to pay. Your mother is correct, stealing is bad no matter what. However, your poll only has two options: "She should have drove off with the gas she had" "she did the right thing by paying the extra[I]" [/I]You imply that she paid extra, rather than what she was obliged to pay for the product. It seems slightly biased towards your view of it being morally questionable. Also, you call the gas company, the company that sells you a product that allows you to get to school, get groceries and other stuff, a bad company.

[QUOTE=Robbobin;28737667]Shoulda filled it up and used the money you would've normally paid on relief funds. Insta-morality.[/QUOTE] +10 karma [editline]22nd March 2011[/editline] But honestly all that would do is hurt the gas station and its employees, not the company itself

It is always morally wrong to steal instead of pay. Rationale : - The petrol had already been bought from the gas company, the person losing out would have been the owner of the station or the employee depending on policy. - I you truly have reason to believe the petrol company is doing wrong, rather than steal, it would be better to stop using their products and call a boycott.