Mislead how? in most cases, fiber can be ran curbside. Leaving copper (which is perfectly fine for short runs) perfectly applicable to run to the permesis. FTTC (fiber to the curb) would be one of the cheapest deployments of a fiber line being within 100meters to the building. In this case, copper works a-ok!
This is one of the most common deployments of fiber for home customers. Its only a problem if you got a lot of data using that line, 1G+ connectivity, or your run is severely aged.
FTTP/FTTB/FTTH will be more prohibitive in cost as you'll have to route the cable to the building. In this case, you'll need to be licensed and the costs can go way up. FTTP is ideal, but can hamper deployment efforts. This is something you'll find rarely in residental areas and buildings. This is google's main FTTX architecture.
Now if this was fiber to the last mile, or FTTN (to the node) this is certainly being mislead into having a fiber broadband. This is what can spark controversy and is scummy to say "ohh you got fiber!" just as much has its a scummy thing to say you have fiber internet because the backbone uses optical cables. e
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;52057224]Mislead how? in most cases, fiber can be ran curbside. Leaving copper (which is perfectly fine for short runs) perfectly applicable to run to the permesis. FTTC (fiber to the curb) would be one of the cheapest deployments of a fiber line being within 100meters to the building. In this case, copper works a-ok!
This is one of the most common deployments of fiber for home customers. Its only a problem if you got a lot of data using that line, 1G+ connectivity, or your run is severely aged.
FTTP/FTTB/FTTH will be more prohibitive in cost as you'll have to route the cable to the building. In this case, you'll need to be licensed and the costs can go way up. FTTP is ideal, but can hamper deployment efforts. This is something you'll find rarely in residental areas and buildings. This is google's main FTTX architecture.
Now if this was fiber to the last mile, or FTTN (to the node) this is certainly being mislead into having a fiber broadband. This is what can spark controversy and is scummy to say "ohh you got fiber!" just as much has its a scummy thing to say you have fiber internet because the backbone uses optical cables. e[/QUOTE]
Copper is not fine to be run to the home, it's capped at a way slower speed, and it's just purely dirty tactics that they use to advertise something that isn't fiber. Fiber is fiberoptic, if you don't have the fiber coming into your home into a router fast enough to handle it directly, you're on ADSL and you're getting ripped off.
I feel extremely glad I ditched the UK post-brexit and moved, cos I pay 22 eur for 250mbit internet with 100% uptime and no limitations.
[QUOTE=Legend286;52057643]Copper is not fine to be run to the home, it's capped at a way slower speed, and it's just purely dirty tactics[/QUOTE]
No it absolutely doesn't. FTTC is still considered a fiber connection. 100m is fine for 1Gbit so long as the wire aint shit. Most fiber providers run to the curb only. Its costly to run it to your house. You know it takes multiple hours, and a good setup cost to get that into your house. Older construction will also make this expensive.
Living in a city where 1Gbit connectivity is nothing, no ISP provides FTTP for residentials. FTTC is mostly deployed.
Only ISP I can think of that provides FTTP for a residential line is google. And you're still paying $300 just to get that installed, not including your equipment and the subscription costs.
Unless your telco gave you a construction fee for installing fiber into your housse, they're perfectly in the right to call FTTC fiber connectivity.
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Lets also not forget the point where the fiber is generally damaged by the residents since its not too far down. Copper is a bit more durable and less prone to breaking.
[QUOTE=Legend286;52057643]Fiber is fiberoptic, if you don't have the fiber coming into your home into a router fast enough to handle it directly, you're on ADSL and you're getting ripped off.[/QUOTE]
If the last stretch is a shit tier line then yeah sure. Copper based networking in short runs are more than acceptable. They should however make it clear that it's FTTC.
FTTC is not a fiber connection, you don't call ADSL fiber even though the backbone connection in the exchange is fiber, so calling FTTC which only runs to the local DSLAM or CMTS fiber is plain misleading to your average consumer, the final run is what ultimately matters when it comes to speed, you either have VDSL (telephone line) or cable (coaxial cable), they often both get referred to as 'fiber' which leads to a lot of confusion.
Also getting a fiber optic tech license is piss easy lol. I have mine and all I did was pay $150 to take a test. If you can read directions and know some basic fiber optic facts you're good to to, and I'm now certified in all of NA and my cert is recognised by the EU too. The hardest part is terminating connectors and that's piss easy so long as your hands don't shake like a dog shitting razor blades.
[QUOTE=Chryseus;52057880]FTTC is not a fiber connection, you don't call ADSL fiber even though the backbone connection in the exchange is fiber, so calling FTTC which only runs to the local DSLAM or CMTS fiber is plain misleading to your average consumer, the final run is what ultimately matters when it comes to speed, you either have VDSL (telephone line) or cable (coaxial cable), they often both get referred to as 'fiber' which leads to a lot of confusion.[/QUOTE]
You make a point, but FTTP is still extremely costly in developed areas. One half of the business I work for handles the networking aspect of an ISP (homes are FTTP/H mind you..) but FTTC is supplied when there is multiple units (eg, apartments, duplexes) or when the buildings are close together (one house will likely share the fiber connection points. bringing the total run of copper under 300ft). FTTN or any last mile service being strictly copper, is yes, not a fiber connection.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;52057927]You make a point, but FTTP is still extremely costly in developed areas. One half of the business I work for handles the networking aspect of an ISP (homes are FTTP/H mind you..) but FTTC is supplied when there is multiple units (eg, apartments, duplexes) or when the buildings are close together (one house will likely share the fiber connection points. bringing the total run of copper under 300ft). FTTN or any last mile service being strictly copper, is yes, not a fiber connection.[/QUOTE]
Indeed fiber is a fair bit more costly than cable and a lot more costly than VDSL, for most users a cable connection is perfectly adequate, even VDSL does the job provided it's under 500m, these things should be clearly advertised though which often they're not unless you read the fine print, even my own ISP advertises [url=http://www.sky.com/shop/broadband-talk/broadband-compare/]VDSL as fiber[/url].
[QUOTE=Chryseus;52058285]Indeed fiber is a fair bit more costly than cable and a lot more costly than VDSL, for most users a cable connection is perfectly adequate, even VDSL does the job provided it's under 500m, these things should be clearly advertised though which often they're not unless you read the fine print, even my own ISP advertises [url=http://www.sky.com/shop/broadband-talk/broadband-compare/]VDSL as fiber[/url].[/QUOTE]
Yeah last mile copper and being called fiber isn't fair. AT&T did this with their uverse crap which was all fttn/last mile copper and they went around announcing the new fiber rollout. While it just gave everyone a bump from 3-8mbps to 18-20mbps. They ditched that and they're going with fttp/h for their fiber now.
also surprised they're advertising you speeds up to 78Mbps off VDSL. Didn't think it could even get close to that...
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;52058609]Yeah last mile copper and being called fiber isn't fair. AT&T did this with their uverse crap which was all fttn/last mile copper and they went around announcing the new fiber rollout. While it just gave everyone a bump from 3-8mbps to 18-20mbps. They ditched that and they're going with fttp/h for their fiber now.
also surprised they're advertising you speeds up to 78Mbps off VDSL. Didn't think it could even get close to that...[/QUOTE]
Within about 200m it's possible to get up to 80mbps with VDSL2, technically the 17a profile supports up to 100Mbps and 30a supports up to 200Mbps but that's really pushing the telco wiring to the limit.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;52057749]Only ISP I can think of that provides FTTP for a residential line is google. And you're still paying $300 just to get that installed, not including your equipment and the subscription costs.
Unless your telco gave you a construction fee for installing fiber into your housse, they're perfectly in the right to call FTTC fiber connectivity.[/QUOTE]
There are a number of FTTP providers in the US, all are fairly local (at least in their deployment). Centurylink brings fiber in for their gigabit service, but that's only in very select areas.
I've posted on this before, but another local provider in Utah brings directly two fiber lines, though yes installation is expensive (IIRC It's around $2,000; which is the same cost as the 3 years of CTL Fiber on their contract).
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;52057749]No it absolutely doesn't. FTTC is still considered a fiber connection. 100m is fine for 1Gbit so long as the wire aint shit. Most fiber providers run to the curb only. Its costly to run it to your house. You know it takes multiple hours, and a good setup cost to get that into your house. Older construction will also make this expensive.
Living in a city where 1Gbit connectivity is nothing, no ISP provides FTTP for residentials. FTTC is mostly deployed.
Only ISP I can think of that provides FTTP for a residential line is google. And you're still paying $300 just to get that installed, not including your equipment and the subscription costs.
Unless your telco gave you a construction fee for installing fiber into your housse, they're perfectly in the right to call FTTC fiber connectivity.
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Lets also not forget the point where the fiber is generally damaged by the residents since its not too far down. Copper is a bit more durable and less prone to breaking.[/QUOTE]
Sure, but I think they shouldn't be allowed to brand it as fiber unless it's continuous fiber to your home. I pay 22 eur per month for 250mb/s fiber, and I get that speed without any latency or connection dropouts.
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