All the new areas are ghost towns so its not surprising, they won't be getting any new subs because there isn't anyone around until you reach max level.
the problem is the grind from 85-90 is way worse than 55-60, 65-70, 75-80, or 80-85. This is the most tedious expansion.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;41603194]the problem is the grind from 85-90 is way worse than 55-60, 65-70, 75-80, or 80-85. This is the most tedious expansion.[/QUOTE]
That is not even close to the problem. Everyone grinds their way to the top and forgets about it.
The real problem is how easy/accessible the game has become, and how little you are able to stand out from the crowd. No one is special, and there's no "wow-factor" to the game anymore.
WoW used to be an amazing experience. I remember the days where I couldn't wait to hit 60, and what an amazing accomplishment it was to finally reach it. Then the goal went from hitting 60 to noticing the gear that only certain players had equipped, they immediately stuck out from the crowd as "special".
I eventually did wind up in a raiding guild after my first guild merged with another guild. Over the course of a few months, I managed to acquire the first tier of raiding armor in Molten Core after patiently waiting each night for the right equipment to drop and for my turn to receive set equipment to be up. It was fun, and I was unaware in the process I was slowly attaining the status of the same players I used to stand in awe of. I remember when doing randoms with people back in the day with my raid equipment and people being genuinely impressed. The best part was, I had barely scratched the service, there were still higher tiers to achieve.
Since then, I've enjoyed playing WoW off and on too see the new content, but I never did wind up in another raiding guild or achieving the same feeling. I don't see the point in doing so when another expansion is just around the corner; but with everyone saying how easy it is to achieve the same rewards, I probably wouldn't be interested anyway.
[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;41603573]WoW used to be an amazing experience. I remember the days where I couldn't wait to hit 60, and what an amazing accomplishment it was to finally reach it. Then the goal went from hitting 60 to noticing the gear that only certain players had equipped, they immediately stuck out from the crowd as "special".
I eventually did wind up in a raiding gear after my first guild merged with another guild. Over the course of a few months, I managed to acquire the first tier of raiding armor in Molten Core after patiently waiting each night for the right equipment to drop and for my turn to receive set equipment to be up. It was fun, and I was unaware in the process I was slowly attaining the status of the same players I used to stand in awe of. I remember when doing randoms with people back in the day with my raid equipment and people being genuinely impressed.
Since then, I've enjoyed playing WoW off and on too see the new content, but I never did wind up in another raiding guild or achieving the same feeling. I don't see the point in doing so when another expansion is just around the corner, but with everyone saying how easy it is to achieve the same rewards, I probably wouldn't be interested anyway.[/QUOTE]
I don't necessarily agree with the common opinion of "Vanilla WoW was amazing". People seem to forget how utterly boring and tedious the original game was. The reason level 60 felt like such an achievement is because it was fucking ridiculous to get there in the first place.
In my opinion, Wrath had the right balance of difficulty and accessibility, at least before they started bogging down ICC towards the end of the expansion.
Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed playing all the expansions so far, but cata was the last one I played. The last time I felt I accomplished something "amazing" in WoW though was when I gained enough reputation in Burning Crusade to get the Nether Drake flying mount.
But I haven't touched end game content since Burning Crusade, and I only dabbled in that. My opinion is biased.
[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;41603573]WoW used to be an amazing experience. I remember the days where I couldn't wait to hit 60, and what an amazing accomplishment it was to finally reach it. Then the goal went from hitting 60 to noticing the gear that only certain players had equipped, they immediately stuck out from the crowd as "special".
I eventually did wind up in a raiding guild after my first guild merged with another guild. Over the course of a few months, I managed to acquire the first tier of raiding armor in Molten Core after patiently waiting each night for the right equipment to drop and for my turn to receive set equipment to be up. It was fun, and I was unaware in the process I was slowly attaining the status of the same players I used to stand in awe of. I remember when doing randoms with people back in the day with my raid equipment and people being genuinely impressed. The best part was, I had barely scratched the service, there were still higher tiers to achieve.
Since then, I've enjoyed playing WoW off and on too see the new content, but I never did wind up in another raiding guild or achieving the same feeling. I don't see the point in doing so when another expansion is just around the corner; but with everyone saying how easy it is to achieve the same rewards, I probably wouldn't be interested anyway.[/QUOTE]
I think I might start play again when the last expansion is released so I can see the game off, so to speak.
[QUOTE=Oblivion470;41603365]That is not even close to the problem. Everyone grinds their way to the top and forgets about it.
The real problem is how easy/accessible the game has become, and how little you are able to stand out from the crowd. No one is special, and there's no "wow-factor" to the game anymore.[/QUOTE]
No, that's not true at all. There's significantly more people that are average, but there's still a large amount of people that are special and way fucking better than everyone else. They're just harder to find because of how many people there are.
I don't know where exactly you find "wow factors", but I usually just look at raid accomplishments and how thoroughly someone can trounce the dps charts. Nothing makes me go "what the fuck that guy's awesome" than seeing someone pull like four times the dps of the second highest guy.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;41605008]No, that's not true at all. There's significantly more people that are average, but there's still a large amount of people that are special and way fucking better than everyone else. They're just harder to find because of how many people there are.
I don't know where exactly you find "wow factors", but I usually just look at raid accomplishments and how thoroughly someone can trounce the dps charts. Nothing makes me go "what the fuck that guy's awesome" than seeing someone pull like four times the dps of the second highest guy.[/QUOTE]
it's not particularly difficult to beat LFR heroes into the dirt on the meters - your standards are a bit low
Where did I say LFR?
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;41605965]Where did I say LFR?[/QUOTE]
I didn't say it had to BE in LFR. I'm referring to the majority of the playerbase who kill bosses in LFR, collect LFR gear, and think they're hot shit, then go into normal modes and get stomped.
That's my point, the game's mostly full of average players. Which isn't bad, that's what happens when you become accessible to a larger audience. And I really don't care, I'm glad people have fun.
But when people stand out, they REALLY stand out.
[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;41603573]WoW used to be an amazing experience. I remember the days where I couldn't wait to hit 60, and what an amazing accomplishment it was to finally reach it. Then the goal went from hitting 60 to noticing the gear that only certain players had equipped, they immediately stuck out from the crowd as "special".
[B]I eventually did wind up in a raiding guild after my first guild merged with another guild. Over the course of a few months, I managed to acquire the first tier of raiding armor in Molten Core after patiently waiting each night for the right equipment to drop and for my turn to receive set equipment to be up. It was fun, and I was unaware in the process I was slowly attaining the status of the same players I used to stand in awe of. I remember when doing randoms with people back in the day with my raid equipment and people being genuinely impressed. The best part was, I had barely scratched the service, there were still higher tiers to achieve.[/B]
Since then, I've enjoyed playing WoW off and on too see the new content, but I never did wind up in another raiding guild or achieving the same feeling. I don't see the point in doing so when another expansion is just around the corner; but with everyone saying how easy it is to achieve the same rewards, I probably wouldn't be interested anyway.[/QUOTE]
Hit the nail on the head.. I haven't had much fun in WoW since wrath but vanilla and tbc was the best experience due to the people I played with and It felt good raiding n doing heroics, world bosses etc where as now I get no sense of achievement which is probably due to how easy the game is or how easy it is to get gear now, Its a joke and has really turned to shit.
WoW died for me at the end of WOTLK.
I cleared Naxx and Ulduar, skipped over that Trial of Champions crap and rejoined for ICC. Ulduar was one of the greatest raids I had ever done and some of the best experiences I had with a raiding guild.
I don't think I'll ever get that satisfaction ever again.
[QUOTE=Oblivion470;41603365]
The real problem is how easy/accessible the game has become[/QUOTE]
If you want challenge there is still heroic raiding.
Also btw Wrath was the most accessible expansion and it hit the maximum amount of subscribers WoW has ever seen. Cataclysm raised the skill floor and that is when subscribers started dropping off. So you pretty much have no idea what you are talking about.
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[QUOTE=Derpmeifter;41605984]I didn't say it had to BE in LFR. I'm referring to the majority of the playerbase who kill bosses in LFR, collect LFR gear, and think they're hot shit, then go into normal modes and get stomped.[/QUOTE]
lmao that is exactly the crowd that occupies WoW threads in news nodes though. People who, if they even manage to hit level cap, do some heroics and maybe LFR then quit complaining about the game being too easy.
No server transfers really hurts for me. Honestly I think they'd have a lot better of a time if they included those (maybe as a one per month credit sort of thing?) and dropped the rate to something like $10 or $5. I play mostly for PVP so LFRs and stuff are nice since I don't usually try to go for normal raids and basically only get the gear for dailies.
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