[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;52379930]Isn't like four or six cores 99% of cases enough?[/QUOTE]
i5s are still going strong as gaming processors with 4 cores/4 threads, let alone 10 cores/20 threads.
I think it's definitely time to move on from 4c/4t to 4c/8t or 6c/12t but past that if it's just for gaming it's pretty overkill.
as far as I know after 2 cores you really get nothing of use
[QUOTE=J!NX;52380351]as far as I know after 2 cores you really get nothing of use[/QUOTE]
It's not 2004 what are you on about
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52380478]It's not 2004 what are you on about[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;PVl8Eupbr_E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVl8Eupbr_E[/video]
UMM THIS VIDEO
which I seem to have remembered incorrectly meaning I'm actually just wrong, its past 4 core where you generally don't get that much of a boost (unless the games actually specifically made to benefit)
hopefully this changes massively and we see spikes in performance rather than just nothing changing in performance
That video is over two years old, also.
Like I was saying earlier,
[quote]i5s are still going strong as gaming processors with 4 cores/4 threads, let alone 10 cores/20 threads.
I think it's definitely time to move on from 4c/4t to 4c/8t or 6c/12t but past that if it's just for gaming it's pretty overkill.[/quote]
2015 was also the time where "oh 8 gig ram is plenty"
While it still barely holds true today 16 is now basically standard
[QUOTE=redBadger;52381366]2015 was also the time where "oh 8 gig ram is plenty"
While it still barely holds true today 16 is now basically standard[/QUOTE]
2018-2020+ will be the years of 16-gig standard ram for gaming and your average power user. 8 is currently fine.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;52384929]2018-2020+ will be the years of 16-gig standard ram for gaming and your average power user. 8 is currently fine.[/QUOTE]
tbh 12gb-16gb about is good for the occassional game with the grossly incompetent level of memory leakage
Right now, for gaming, the optimal standard is 4 cores minimum (hyperthreading optional), 8gb ram, and a video card with 4gb memory, the 1060 3gb being just on the bare minimum side.
I'm still just getting by with my setup that matches those minimums while running things on high settings, but it's starting to cause issues if I'm trying to run lots of things at once without a processor with hyperthreading and only 8gb of memory.
Would someone that games and streams/encodes same time count as power users?
because 4c/4t 8gb ram is not optimal at all for that now. 4c/8t 16gb is necessary now. Diminishing returns around over 8c/16t.
Right now, Cores for gaming really don't matter all that much. A quad with hyperthreading is going to be more than enough 95% of the time, with huge resolutions and enthusiast level video cards being the other 5%
Games just don't push multiple cores that much past a certain point. You don't need them because the games that DO use heavy CPU tend to stick to one or two cores for the heavy shit, like Arma AI or Kerbal Space Program's physics, because they just can't split those workloads. Though I'd swear Arma could if they wanted to
Just get the CPU that isn't going to bottleneck your video card, and you're golden
My PC was definitely bottle-necking with my old i5 4 thread in Overwatch.
Gained 30-50 FPS in most games, after I upgraded to an i7 7700k (Note I didn't change my GTX970 GPU)
Would say you'll need more than a 4 thread core for heavier games, and where a normal user could get away with 8GB ram, a streamer might look at a 16GB solution.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;52385048]Would someone that games and streams/encodes same time count as power users?
because 4c/4t 8gb ram is not optimal at all for that now. 4c/8t 16gb is necessary now. Diminishing returns around over 8c/16t.[/QUOTE]
I would count that as a power user. I've tried to game and stream/encode to twitch, 8gb of ram and a locked 4 core processor just doesn't cut it.
If you want to stream anything but emulators or smaller indie games you really need 16gb of ram and unlocked 4c/8t, or going 6c/12t with amd's ryzen 5 lineup for fairly cheap. A good video card as well but that's just a given. I've tried to stream with my current system, handles games like enter the gungeon and my summer car just fine, but shits itself when doing CSGO, Dark Souls 3, or PUBG.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;52384929]2018-2020+ will be the years of 16-gig standard ram for gaming and your average power user. 8 is currently fine.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I have some computers having 8GB of RAM and honestly gaming on it is starting to push the limit. You can easily fill up 8GB of ram just with a dozen chrome youtube tabs open, and many games like GTA V will start paging after about 10 minutes. The game becomes unplayable at that point.
16GB already is the standard at this point (often as part of standard configurations for prebuilds and laptops), and it's not even that pricey to get nowadays.
[QUOTE=B!N4RY;52385399]I disagree. I have some computers having 8GB of RAM and honestly gaming on it is starting to push the limit. You can easily fill up 8GB of ram just with a dozen chrome youtube tabs open, and many games like GTA V will start paging after about 10 minutes. The game becomes unplayable at that point.
16GB already is the standard at this point (often as part of standard configurations for prebuilds and laptops), and it's not even that pricey to get nowadays.[/QUOTE]
Unless you have a ton of active tabs chrome isn't really a concern, yes it'll use a ton of ram, but it quickly gets cleaned up when something else starts needing it more.
For power user, the definition is a bit expansive, I think for someone who uses the computer more seriously (More than just gaming, watching videos, editing documents, some light creative work in Photoshop or something similar) 8 GiB is just fine. But yeah, if you're doing actual [I]work[/I] with a computer, then 12+ GiB is really really helpful (I have 32 GiB just for those reasons), especially if you work in AE, run VMs, or other ram-heavy programs.
8GB is the bare minimum, with 16GB being the standard these days.
Unfortunately that's more due to devs making shitty PC ports than the games actually [I]needing[/I] that much memory, but it is what it is.
But what is the CPU utilization like on things like a 4 core I5? That's a really important metric imo.
If its 90% right now, It might be the best bang for your buck in current games, but that would/could be months away from turning the CPU in to the bottleneck instead.
That's about correct and why I was suggesting the move to 6c/12t or [I]at least[/I] 4c/8t.
What you don't need to move to is 10c/20t or really anything past 8c/16t. Even 8c/16t seems pretty overkill unless you don't plan on upgrading within the next 5 years.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52387324]That's about correct and why I was suggesting the move to 6c/12t or [I]at least[/I] 4c/8t.
What you don't need to move to is 10c/20t or really anything past 8c/16t. Even 8c/16t seems pretty overkill unless you don't plan on upgrading within the next 5 years.[/QUOTE]
I think for non-ryzen systems 6-core CPUs are a real great performance and value proposition. On Ryzen because of how they cut the CCXs, I'd only ever get a full 8-core part.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;52388392]I think for non-ryzen systems 6-core CPUs are a real great performance and value proposition. On Ryzen because of how they cut the CCXs, I'd only ever get a full 8-core part.[/QUOTE]
I think you forgot the cost of adopting X99 which kicks up the price past anything.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;52388553]I think you forgot the cost of adopting X99 which kicks up the price past anything.[/QUOTE]
As someone on X99, I have not.
X299 boards are between $250-400 on average, you can get an acceptably good board for $300, and then get the i7-7800X for $389.
For two more cores, that's $40 more on the CPU, and about $50-150 more than your average Z270 motherboard.
That's actually not too bad, and I consider the two extra cores to be rather valuable. Games use just about four cores currently, and having an extra core or two (two to four threads) that windows can toss trash on it really really nice, hence why I consider it a pretty good middle ground.
[editline]22nd June 2017[/editline]
Hell, my EVGA X99 board is now cheaper than its Z270 'lineage'.
I paid [URL="https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16813138450"]$110 for a decent quality Ryzen x370-based board[/URL] :v:
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Paying $300 for an "acceptably good" motherboard sounds ludicrous to me.
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