When things are going bad, don't forget to use the race and gender cards!
[quote]black-sounding names[/quote]
[QUOTE=Endzeit7;51291773]When things are going bad, don't forget to use the race and gender cards![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Scratch.;51291812][quote]black-sounding names[/quote][/QUOTE]
You're laughing, but in this instance it seems to be legitimate research indicative of a very real problem with racism on the part of the drivers.
It doesn't really describe if the rider was willingly being talkative -- if you're enjoying yourself talking to the driver then its not that unusual for the trip to take a little logner
considering the length and breadth of this report, this seems fairly damning
[QUOTE=Scratch.;51291812][quote]black-sounding names[/quote][/QUOTE]
Cute. But there have been a decent number of studies in various areas now that have looked into the impact of your name and how people respond. From hiring practices to just introducing people to each other, having an "exotic" black-sounding name generally does put you at some disadvantage as unsurprisingly [I]racism isn't dead[/I].
Its kinda hard to regulate this kind of thing, did they publish any recommendations on mitigating the issue?
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[QUOTE=hexpunK;51292659]Cute. But there have been a decent number of studies in various areas now that have looked into the impact of your name and how people respond. From hiring practices to just introducing people to each other, having an "exotic" black-sounding name generally does put you at some disadvantage as unsurprisingly [I]racism isn't dead[/I].[/QUOTE]
Theres a whole bunch of parents who name their kids some of the most exotic kinds of things you have ever heard and its pretty shameful, black or not.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51292668]Theres a whole bunch of parents who name their kids some of the most exotic kinds of things you have ever heard and its pretty shameful, black or not.[/QUOTE]
Parents. Please. Stop naming your kids after whatever you were drinking that made you think skipping out on a rubber was a smart move.
"Chardonnay" is not that great a name for a child. Yet I've heard it shouted in chav-ese many a time in my home town.
Ive heard children named after shoe brands, types of booze, fried chicken, its absolutely abhorrent.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51292492]It doesn't really describe if the rider was willingly being talkative -- if you're enjoying yourself talking to the driver then its not that unusual for the trip to take a little logner[/QUOTE]
[quote]Female researchers reported "chatty" drivers who drove extremely long routes, on some occasions [B]even driving through the same intersection multiple times[/B].
"The additional travel that female riders are exposed to appears to be a combination of profiteering and flirting to a captive audience," the researchers noted.[/quote][emphasis mine]
That's way beyond normal and mostly out of the control of the passengers.
[editline]1st November 2016[/editline]
The apps can probably detect fraudulent rides fairly easily.
Strongly detoured rides without additional stops (compared to automatic routing à la Google Maps that takes traffic obstructions into account) and especially rides that loop around should show a large spike in the data. Just add a 'scenic' button so drivers can avoid incurring a penalty for legitimate long rides if they clearly mark it as detoured to the passengers before the latter rate it.
The name issues are a more difficult issue though. Now that the companies know about the problem, they can probably add a generic racism detector algorithm to their apps.
It's not obvious (to me) how to properly counteract it with their current business model and care has to be taken to not introduce fixed biases into the system.
All that said, the companies have access to most of the data the researchers collected here through the apps' GPS functions and other statistics, so at least in theory these are things they can do something about.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51292788]Ive heard children named after shoe brands, types of booze, [B]fried chicken[/B] its absolutely abhorrent.[/QUOTE]
What really you need to tell me about this
[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;51295221]What really you need to tell me about this[/QUOTE]
"Knew" someone named friedchickenisha or similar, was quite terrible.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;51293234][emphasis mine]
That's way beyond normal and mostly out of the control of the passengers.
[editline]1st November 2016[/editline]
The apps can probably detect fraudulent rides fairly easily.
Strongly detoured rides without additional stops (compared to automatic routing à la Google Maps that takes traffic obstructions into account) and especially rides that loop around should show a large spike in the data. Just add a 'scenic' button so drivers can avoid incurring a penalty for legitimate long rides if they clearly mark it as detoured to the passengers before the latter rate it.
The name issues are a more difficult issue though. Now that the companies know about the problem, they can probably add a generic racism detector algorithm to their apps.
It's not obvious (to me) how to properly counteract it with their current business model and care has to be taken to not introduce fixed biases into the system.
All that said, the companies have access to most of the data the researchers collected here through the apps' GPS functions and other statistics, so at least in theory these are things they can do something about.[/QUOTE]
Uber gives the driver the fastest route via maps and the passenger can see it too, as well as the receipt email containing an image of the route you were taken and the total journey time.
If you were taken on an unnecessarily long route and complained to uber you'd likely be refunded, for example cases when people have fallen asleep / drunk in a taxi and they wake up the next day to find they have been charged an insane amount from the driver going in circles or something. The fix in this one comes down to people piping up either in the car or complaining afterwards so the driver can be reprimanded. Normal cab drivers sometimes pull this crap, especially if they think you dont know the route you should be taking, at least uber takes this kind of thing seriously whereas I can imagine a small taxi firm brushing it off or just taking the drivers side.
They could also just not show passenger names or only show them as the passenger gets to the car.
People really get upset over a whole lot of nothing huh? Crying because of somebody's name being "Chardonnay" but at the same time using words like "chav" which is a discriminatory term in itself. This is the exact form of discrimination being described in the article and study. Perhaps if people were a bit more tolerant and understanding of other people this wouldn't be such a big deal. Who actually cares what a parent names their child anyway, it's their right to name them what they want, and ultimately names are entirely arbitrary.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51298094]"Knew" someone named friedchickenisha or similar, was quite terrible.[/QUOTE]
My mother worked with a Nurse some number of years ago named Jaundice.
Not "Won-deece", Jaundice. Like the symptom of renal failure.
[QUOTE=Conna;51300677]People really get upset over a whole lot of nothing huh? Crying because of somebody's name being "Chardonnay" but at the same time using words like "chav" which is a discriminatory term in itself. This is the exact form of discrimination being described in the article and study. Perhaps if people were a bit more tolerant and understanding of other people this wouldn't be such a big deal. Who actually cares what a parent names their child anyway, it's their right to name them what they want, and ultimately names are entirely arbitrary.[/QUOTE]
names are not arbitrary what
and no parents can't name their child whatever they want
I'm sure the child VERY much cares that they don't get an awful name.
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