I still don't get why Mojang insists on releasing incomplete ports.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;40974215]I still don't get why Mojang insists on releasing incomplete ports.[/QUOTE]
Money.
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;40974267]Or they could... just buy it on the PC.
You see what most people fail to realize is that a PC is basically the equivalent of every console ever made combined into one convenient tower (or box).
[editline]10th June 2013[/editline]
And yet for whatever reason, despite this fact, people still think consoles have a reason to exist.
Oh well...[/QUOTE]
a single platform allows for a more consistent experience. steam is an unstable mess and goes down constantly. a console is often far cheaper and much easier to manage than an entire computer. splitscreen for multiple people, often connected to a large TV, exclusive titles.
it isn't so black and white like you seem to think it is.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40974451]a single platform allows for a more consistent experience. steam is an unstable mess and goes down constantly. a console is often far cheaper and much easier to manage than an entire computer. splitscreen for multiple people, often connected to a large TV, exclusive titles.
it isn't so black and white like you seem to think it is.[/QUOTE]
Also no hardware upgrading, incompatibilities, stuff like that. Plop in a game, bam, it works.
Steam never goes down, thats utter bullshit..
----
Anyway.
Got MC on 360 and PC. I dont fancy paying for it a third time if it isnt on par with the PC version and cant use mods like FTB
And map size, jesus its small on the 360
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40974451]a single platform allows for a more consistent experience. steam is an unstable mess and goes down constantly. a console is often far cheaper and much easier to manage than an entire computer. splitscreen for multiple people, often connected to a large TV, exclusive titles.
it isn't so black and white like you seem to think it is.[/QUOTE]
Minecraft isn't on Steam
for some people it is so black and white
with PC I don't have to deal with console manufacturer abuse like Live Gold or forced to use Microsoft points. Because the PC isn't a closed platform I don't ever have to deal with never having good sales (Digital Distribution is gonna suck on consoles cause no Steam sales) and I am never locked into to some horrible money pit such as "want demos on time? Buy Live Gold!" or other insane bullshit that you have to put up with on consoles because are locked, closed platforms
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40974451]a single platform allows for a more consistent experience. [B]steam is an unstable mess and goes down constantly[/B]. a console is often far cheaper and much easier to manage than an entire computer. splitscreen for multiple people, often connected to a large TV, exclusive titles.
it isn't so black and white like you seem to think it is.[/QUOTE]
What? I don't recall steam ever going down.
Consoles have their advantages, mainly couch gaming, but steam is no more or less reliable than PSN or Xbox Live; and you can always launch put steam in offline mode.
[QUOTE=Puni;40974567]Steam never goes down, thats utter bullshit..[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784745"]am I not picking up some sort of sarcasm here or...[/URL]
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40974638]Minecraft isn't on Steam
for some people it is so black and white
with PC I don't have to deal with console manufacturer abuse like Live Gold or forced to use Microsoft points. Because the PC isn't a closed platform I don't ever have to deal with never having good sales (Digital Distribution is gonna suck on consoles cause no Steam sales) and I am never locked into to some horrible money pit such as "want demos on time? Buy Live Gold!" or other insane bullshit that you have to put up with on consoles because are locked, closed platforms[/QUOTE]
no I totally understand why some people would enjoy steam over other platforms and hell I enjoy Steam a hell of a lot more than say, psn or xbl but to say that consoles have zero purpose in the market is just such a stubborn and ignorant statement
[QUOTE=Ziirxia;40974522]Also no hardware upgrading, incompatibilities, stuff like that. Plop in a game, bam, it works.[/QUOTE]
this hasn't been an issue in PC gaming for years now. PC gaming is so simple, people on Macs are doing it now thanks to Steam
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40974666][url=http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784745]am I not picking up some sort of sarcasm here or...[/url][/QUOTE]
That's planned maintenance, hardly indicative of it being unstable.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;40974752]That's planned maintenance, hardly indicative of it being unstable.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Some Steam services, including the web store, were unavailable between 12:55 and 1:28 PM PDT due to multiple hardware failures.[/quote]
nnnno that's definitely not planned maintenance. this thread also doesn't track the near daily outages where Steam Community just signs everyone out and takes 10 minutes to come back online.
[editline]10th June 2013[/editline]
neither xbl nor psn need this sort of maintenance constantly and they have a much larger amount of players than steam does. it hardly matters if it's "planned", it shows how unstable and how much attention that steam needs to be kept online compared to other services.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40974843]nnnno that's definitely not planned maintenance. this thread also doesn't track the near daily outages where Steam just signs everyone out and takes 10 minutes to come back online.[/QUOTE]
It is planned maintenance. Practically unnoticeable as well.
"Man, this console is a trainwreck and nobody will buy it. I know! I'll release my most popular creation on something nobody with half a brain would play!"
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40974843]nnnno that's definitely not planned maintenance. this thread also doesn't track the near daily outages where Steam just signs everyone out and takes 10 minutes to come back online.[/QUOTE]
Apparently I'm not included in "everyone", since this has never happened to me.
[QUOTE=Puni;40974957]It is planned maintenance. Practically unnoticeable as well.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Some Steam services, including the web store, were unavailable between 12:55 and 1:28 PM PDT due to multiple hardware failures.[/quote]
[quote]were unavailable between 12:55 and 1:28 PM PDT due to multiple hardware failures.[/quote]
[quote]due to multiple hardware failures.[/quote]
[quote][B]multiple hardware failures.[/B][/quote]
it was not planned.
[QUOTE=Neo Kabuto;40975043]Apparently I'm not included in "everyone", since this has never happened to me.[/QUOTE]
sorry, Steam Community. should've been more specific.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40974843]nnnno that's definitely not planned maintenance. this thread also doesn't track the near daily outages where Steam Community just signs everyone out and takes 10 minutes to come back online.
[editline]10th June 2013[/editline]
neither xbl nor psn need this sort of maintenance constantly and they have a much larger amount of players than steam does. it hardly matters if it's "planned", it shows how unstable and how much attention that steam needs to be kept online compared to other services.[/QUOTE]
This has literally never happened to me. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
[editline]10th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40975099]it was not planned.
sorry, Steam Community. should've been more specific.[/QUOTE]
It took 30 minutes, and that's the ONLY example you've cited.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;40975215]This has literally never happened to me. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
I dunno if you're willfully playing ignorant or what but Community definitely constantly goes offline and is completely unreachable at times. not to mention inventories not loading for TF2, avatars just suddenly going to the question mark, etc.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40975265]I dunno if you're willfully playing ignorant or what but Community definitely constantly goes offline and is completely unreachable at times. not to mention inventories not loading for TF2, avatars just suddenly going to the question mark, etc.[/QUOTE]
Oh, community? You mean that chunk of Steam which is literally the least important chunk of it, by most people's standards.
I've noticed at my college nearly every video gaming male has a Steam account and thinks Steam is awesome (most of them know next to nothing about PC gaming). IDK if this is due to Valve's continual marketing to older teens and young adults or the fact that PC gamers generally are on the older side of the teen/youth spectrum. I really think the age of "PC gaming is confusing" is over, advanced package manager stores software-as-service softwares such as Steam, Origin, Blizzard's Battlenet thing, etc along with lots of Walmart-tier computers being able to play games has made PC gaming more accessible
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;40975309]Oh, community? You mean that chunk of Steam which is literally the least important chunk of it, by most people's standards.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't excuse the fact that it's unstable as fuck
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;40974752]That's planned maintenance, hardly indicative of it being unstable.[/QUOTE]
And even if the community is down, you can still download and play games, what's the big deal anyway? The actual steam servers rarely go down and when they do all the games you have installed and ran at least once still work, and I can't remember when that last happened.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40975326]that doesn't excuse the fact that it's unstable as fuck[/QUOTE]
The community going down doesn't affect steam as a whole though, does it? You can still play all your games.
That, and if you're trying to decide between buying a gaming PC and buying a console, I doubt being able to see your TF2 inventory will bother you that much.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;40974215]I still don't get why Mojang insists on releasing incomplete ports.[/QUOTE]
Same reason they insist on releasing incomplete games.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40974451]a single platform allows for a more consistent experience. steam is an unstable mess and goes down constantly. a console is often far cheaper and much easier to manage than an entire computer. splitscreen for multiple people, often connected to a large TV, exclusive titles.
it isn't so black and white like you seem to think it is.[/QUOTE]
To be honest out of the reasons you have given, party gaming is the only valid one.
[QUOTE=Ziirxia;40974522]Also no hardware upgrading, incompatibilities, stuff like that. Plop in a game, bam, it works.[/QUOTE]
Plop in a game, realise that you have to pay a fee because it's an used game, enter your credit card number, start installing the game on the HDD because you have to, see the console telling you that there isn't enough free space, exit the installation process and go through other menus to uninstall some other game, go back to the installation, wait, and eventually start playing.
The next day: start your console, try to start your game, "Error 6743: can't connect to server".
Consoles aren't what they used to be. Also nobody forces you to upgrade your hardware, you can just change the whole PC when it's too old. Like you do when you get a RROD and have to buy a new Xbox.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;40974663]What? I don't recall steam ever going down.
Consoles have their advantages, mainly couch gaming, but steam is no more or less reliable than PSN or Xbox Live; and you can always launch put steam in offline mode.[/QUOTE]
Well there's big picture mode and a decent selection of controller compatible games that make a computer good for couch gaming as well. Steam offline mode doesn't work most of the time, it only seems to work when you have already been connected to the internet.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;40974215]I still don't get why Mojang insists on releasing incomplete ports.[/QUOTE]
The same reason they released an incomplete game stuck in what I would regard as an alpha.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;40974451]a single platform allows for a more consistent experience. steam is an unstable mess and goes down constantly. a console is often far cheaper and much easier to manage than an entire computer. splitscreen for multiple people, often connected to a large TV, exclusive titles.
it isn't so black and white like you seem to think it is.[/QUOTE]
Back in the day, this was certainly true.
However, there is almost no real advantage to own a console for this upcoming generation, in my opinion.
First of all, Xbox One has DRM now, which is decided by the publisher. You won't be able to trade all of your games but you can give a friend your game at the cost of you giving it up (which I am honestly okay with. I which steam did something like that). So there goes the pre-owned games and disc trading advantage consoles had. and with the DRM, if your internet happens to crash, then you won't be able to play certain games until it is fixed. Even Steam lets you play if you internet goes down.
My computer, which is a pretty average gaming computer, still has better specs than an Xbox One. Sure, it was far more expensive, but at the same time it was worth it far more than the Xbox because there is more to do on the internet. I can watch TV, Movies, play games, talk to friends, read articles, all things that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo, just now started doing on their consoles.
Most companies don't support splitscreen anymore. Few games let you get your friends together and play on your couch. Sure, there are exclusive titles, which is the only reason I have even [I]thought[/I] about buying one of the next generation of consoles.
To be fair, it still has advantages. The price point is much better and it is much more stable than a PC. However, there is still a lot missing, such as modifications, and the Kinect thing seems more intrusive than helpful.
So to recap (for Xbox One, anyways):
-Worse Specs
-DRM
-No mods
-Mandatory Kinect support (which makes the damn thing far more expensive than it needs to be)
-Basically no trading with the exception of certain games and only to one person
-Cheaper price point
-Far more stable
-Allows you to sit down and play without worrying over patches, incompatibilities, or broken servers
So yeah, I suppose it isn't as black and white as it seems. The console has many advantages, but so does the PC. Most of it boils down to preference, and I will always prefer a mouse and keyboard to a controller, plain and simple. There is just to much that I miss from the PC when playing consoles, like being able to Alt-Tab and go to the internet if I am bored or need help or info. My PC runs games far better than the consoles do as well, and it feels wrong to play a game on Xbox or PS3 and only get 25-30 FPS. It doesn't look right anymore.
So it said Minecraft for Xbox One will have bigger worlds. Bigger, it didn't say infinite like PC. Don't tell me they are still space-restricting this game. I imagine the HDD on the Xbox One is big so why not have Infinite size worlds for Minecraft?
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
