Meanwhile I've been stuck with "Your area is enabled for Superfast Fibre but your cabinet is not ready yet so you can't place an order today. It is in our plans to be upgraded and we update this info weekly, so please check back later" for the past 10 months.
C'mon fellas, you've been good to me up until this 10 month wait.
Those lucky fucks, I would kill for a native IPv6 connection as it stands.
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;48167575]Those lucky fucks, I would kill for a native IPv6 connection as it stands.[/QUOTE]
why
there are no benefits whatsoever for the end user, it's analogous to writing your address as gps co-ordinates rather than house number and street name - either way it's just an identifier that points to your location.
Finally, a (major) ISP is going to start doing this. Good to get a head start on this before it becomes a problem.
[editline]10th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=subenji99;48168371]why
there are no benefits whatsoever for the end user, it's analogous to writing your address as gps co-ordinates rather than house number and street name - either way it's just an identifier that points to your location.[/QUOTE]
Not really, its possible that an ISP will run out of IPs and start running a carrier grade NAT which could very likely cause problems for end users.
Having been one of the BT engineers who worked on this for the better part of two years, it feels nice when something you do finally gets noticed :v:
I'm amazed it took this long for it to be picked up by the press, an end user tweeted a month or so ago that they were now IPv6 enabled.
[QUOTE=killermon;48179154]Having been one of the BT engineers who worked on this for the better part of two years, it feels nice when something you do finally gets noticed :v:
I'm amazed it took this long for it to be picked up by the press, an end user tweeted a month or so ago that they were now IPv6 enabled.[/QUOTE]
I don't suppose you will be able to tell us what timeframe BT has to roll IPv6 out to normal customers?
[QUOTE=Genericenemy;48179235]I don't suppose you will be able to tell us what timeframe BT has to roll IPv6 out to normal customers?[/QUOTE]
Couldn't say even if I knew :v: they're even mute on it in the original article. I did technical (fun) stuff, as opposed to the boring roll-out stuff so its out of my area.
Hoping Virgin Media follow suit eventually too.
As far as I know their network theoretically should support it with DOCSIS 3.x but I don't work there
and don't have any inside knowledge so I'm not really at liberty to say.
[QUOTE=benbb;48192673]Hoping Virgin Media follow suit eventually too.
As far as I know their network theoretically should support it with DOCSIS 3.x but I don't work there
and don't have any inside knowledge so I'm not really at liberty to say.[/QUOTE]
The last statement I read from Virgin Media (back in 2010?) was that they had no interest in the roll out of ipv6 till it was the "standard" or something along the lines of that..
Oh and they think they have enough IPs to last a while. Which might be true, VM is contains the assets of like 4 or 5 old major ISPs that probably had huge blocks assigned to them.
Edit: Most recent thing actually
[url]http://blog.mythic-beasts.com/2014/10/22/ipv6-support-in-the-uk/[/url]
TL;DR: Some of their IP block is being taken by their parent company and they don't like the idea of a CGN and their hardware supports it (as you say).
I am guessing that the day Virgin Media starts to run out of IPs they will just flick a switch.
[QUOTE=Jsm;48199617]The last statement I read from Virgin Media (back in 2010?) was that they had no interest in the roll out of ipv6 till it was the "standard" or something along the lines of that..
Oh and they think they have enough IPs to last a while. Which might be true, VM is contains the assets of like 4 or 5 old major ISPs that probably had huge blocks assigned to them.
Edit: Most recent thing actually
[url]http://blog.mythic-beasts.com/2014/10/22/ipv6-support-in-the-uk/[/url]
TL;DR: Some of their IP block is being taken by their parent company and they don't like the idea of a CGN and their hardware supports it (as you say).
I am guessing that the day Virgin Media starts to run out of IPs they will just flick a switch.[/QUOTE]
Hell we at work, as a small ISP/Datacenter, still have thousands of unused IPV4 addresses.
[editline]13th July 2015[/editline]
(Not saying this is normal, but IPv4 addresses being out doesn't mean there are none available)
[QUOTE=Levelog;48199875]Hell we at work, as a small ISP/Datacenter, still have thousands of unused IPV4 addresses.
[editline]13th July 2015[/editline]
(Not saying this is normal, but IPv4 addresses being out doesn't mean there are none available)[/QUOTE]
To be fair I think it [B]is[/B] normal, IPs were handed out a lot more freely in the past.
[QUOTE=Jsm;48199617]The last statement I read from Virgin Media (back in 2010?) was that they had no interest in the roll out of ipv6 till it was the "standard" or something along the lines of that..
Oh and they think they have enough IPs to last a while. Which might be true, VM is contains the assets of like 4 or 5 old major ISPs that probably had huge blocks assigned to them.
Edit: Most recent thing actually
[URL]http://blog.mythic-beasts.com/2014/10/22/ipv6-support-in-the-uk/[/URL]
TL;DR: Some of their IP block is being taken by their parent company and they don't like the idea of a CGN and their hardware supports it (as you say).
I am guessing that the day Virgin Media starts to run out of IPs they will just flick a switch.[/QUOTE]
The only problem with that is IPv6 is nowhere near just the flick of a switch. It takes a massive amount of work to do on a carrier-grade scale. There is so many surrounding systems that need to be IPv6 aware, you need to upgrade the modems to support it, all your broadband gateways, all your core-network to support it (If you're using an MPLS core, then you can do VPNv6 across it which helps, but then you need to have route-reflectors that support IPv6), you also have the interconnects to worry about, and your internet peerings. Magnify all this by the fact that you need to perform is on hundreds of nodes in your network. This means you're probably going to automate it all, which means you now need to engineer systems to handle it.
And add in the fact that a lot of ISP / Wholesalers will have old kit in their networks ( You can't swap your kit out every 5 years, its impractical), which may not support IPv6, and then add onto that you may need to upgrade your software on your hundreds of nodes to support IPv6 - a lot of vendors will say they supported IPv6 for years, but that rarely includes all the features that are required for the networking niche that is broadband.
And then add onto that the fact that because not a lot of people are using these IPv6 features required for broadband, you will find a lot of bugs in it ( I know this from first hand experience). Add extra fun if you've got multiple vendors, because that means you get different software bugs between them, or they disagree on how to implement an RFC...etc. Which then means that you have to get bugs fixed and hope nothing else was broken in the process. And then, finally, you have to hope that you don't break IPv4 in the process of rollong out IPv6. :v:
To add, if you're ever interested in how your BT Broadband works, SIN (Service Information Note) 472 is worth a read - [URL]http://www.sinet.bt.com/sinet/SINs/index.htm[/URL] (I'm sure I can share it, it is on the public internet!) Broadly speaking, most Wholesalers / ISP's will operate in a similiar manner (VM tend to be the outlier with DOCSIS).
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