Maybe they should have resorted to making a great operating system everybody wants to use rather than trying to shove it down everyone's throat constantly.
[QUOTE=ms333;50731931]cant blame them for not trying :v:[/QUOTE]
Trying to hard is what annoyed people.
The excuse is bullshit, though, Microsoft knows - and it knew when they made the claim - that it couldn't sell 50 million handsets a year. Really the whole thing is pretty mind boggling. I recommend reading Thurrott's take: [url]https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/72935/one-billion-thing[/url]
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[QUOTE=Alice3173;50731951]Maybe they should have resorted to making a great operating system everybody wants to use rather than trying to shove it down everyone's throat constantly.[/QUOTE]
Whether people want to use it or not, it's the fastest growing OS ever (it's already at almost 20% according to Netmarketshare now). [I]That[/I] tactic definitely worked - at least in the short term.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50731951]Maybe they should have resorted to making a great operating system everybody wants to use rather than trying to shove it down everyone's throat constantly.[/QUOTE]
I like it.
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I [I]really[/I] like it, actually.
[QUOTE=xalener;50732005]I like it.
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I [I]really[/I] like it, actually.[/QUOTE]
You are not everybody though. There's plenty of people who dislike it/simply don't want to use it (ranging from 10 not supporting software they use to privacy concerns that Microsoft has done absolutely nothing to dispel) and even more who take being strong armed into using it quite personally and are thus far more resistant to upgrading than they otherwise would be.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50732039]You are not everybody though. There's plenty of people who dislike it/simply don't want to use it (ranging from 10 not supporting software they use to privacy concerns that Microsoft has done absolutely nothing to dispel) and even more who take being strong armed into using it quite personally and are thus far more resistant to upgrading than they otherwise would be.[/QUOTE]
Or long story short, aiming for the lowest common denominator instead of all-round flexibility.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50732039]You are not everybody though. There's plenty of people who dislike it/simply don't want to use it (ranging from 10 not supporting software they use to privacy concerns that Microsoft has done absolutely nothing to dispel) and even more who take being strong armed into using it quite personally and are thus far more resistant to upgrading than they otherwise would be.[/QUOTE]
The people who have privacy concerns about windows don't realize that windows 7 does the exact same thing. And I bet these people use Google and YouTube constantly.
[QUOTE=xalener;50732005]I like it.
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I [I]really[/I] like it, actually.[/QUOTE]
I like it but god as someone who is what could be described as a power user, I hate how restrictive it is at first and how many fucking loopholes you gotta go around to re-allow the OS to do stuff that it should by default.
I had to spend an hour to figure out why my printer drivers worked fine on 7 and 8 but not 8.1 and 10, turned out its because some genius at MS decided to block the installation of kernel drivers even though Windows Update will supply them and give you the option to install them, to get around this you gotta dig into the fucking group policies on the machine, make 5 different changes then HOPE it works after that because RNG likes to say no with W10 where settings sometimes still don't work.
The other annoying thing is not being able to set stuff like the CMD to automatically open in administrator mode, having to right click then tell it to launch as admin is annoying but livable and the old registry edits that allowed you to do this on 7 and 8 don't work on 10 from my experience because again, genius decided its not MS approved and tells you instead to launch it via right clicking the start button and doing it off that menu which is basically the same shit.
And don't get me started on the control panel vs "settings" where both lack shit that the other has because they never bothered to give the settings window the amount of control the control panel has but also never bothered to add in the new shit to the control panel so you gotta do some wacky ass double window fuckaround to get some stuff to stay.
Oh and my biggest fucking annoyance of it all, getting a 144hz monitor to duplicate its display to a 60hz capture card while still keeping the main display at 144hz, works on 7, 8 and 8.1. W10? Pah go fuck yourself both of those displays need to be 60hz obviously unless you wipe all of the display presets and force the fucker to do what you want with a gun to its head, and even then if you so much as let the OS touch its display options after that it'll revert back to the dumb same refresh rate for both displays with no way to change it back unless you repeat the whole process again.
Its very, annoying.
If you have privacy concerns in the 21st century, I'd tell you to go get a cozy cabin far far away from anyone, buy an old veteran car with no electronics, throw your phone away before leaving and say goodbye to the internet.
At this point the telemetry stuff Windows is doing has been in place since Windows 7. Which most of the anti-win 10 users are using.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50732191]If you have privacy concerns in the 21st century, I'd tell you to go get a cozy cabin far far away from anyone, buy an old veteran car with no electronics, throw your phone away before leaving and say goodbye to the internet.
At this point the telemetry stuff Windows is doing has been in place since Windows 7. Which most of the anti-win 10 users are using.[/QUOTE]
The telemetry shits been in Windows since Windows XP SP1, hell even 98 had it to a degree.
People don't care until something blows it out of proportion, the only difference is that W10 gives you more detailed control on what you can turn on and off related to it, XP, 7 and 8 didn't, it was either on or it was off.
[QUOTE=Reagy;50732202]The telemetry shits been in Windows since Windows XP SP1, hell even 98 had it to a degree.
People don't care until something blows it out of proportion, the only difference is that W10 gives you more detailed control on what you can turn on and off related to it, XP, 7 and 8 didn't, it was either on or it was off.[/QUOTE]
Also, I'm pretty sure you have to always readd the registry edits about Telemetry again and again for each update. At least I think that's how it is with W10.
Pretty sure this might be the case with older Windows version too, perhaps.
This article basically just talks about how they will miss the target because windows phones are dead.
[QUOTE=ZachPL;50732236]This article basically just talks about how they will miss the target because windows phones are dead.[/QUOTE]
Which surprised me since its' rather cheap to get one. I suppose people just don't like the UI design of the Windows phone and the fact that its' app support is rather limited.
[QUOTE=ZachPL;50732236]This article basically just talks about how they will miss the target because windows phones are dead.[/QUOTE]
Hardly, doesn't hold a major portion of the market but less than dead. I still very much like mine, its fast, responsive, the ui is clean and consistent and while the amount of major main apps is small, its grown and it has all the ones I used on my old android phone which worked at a snails pace, saying WP has no apps is misinformation.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;50732249]Which surprised me since its' rather cheap to get one. I suppose people just don't like the UI design of the Windows phone and the fact that its' app support is rather limited.[/QUOTE]
I really like the UI of Windows Phone 10, but the lack of apps is a deal breaker
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;50732268]I really like the UI of Windows Phone 10, but the lack of apps is a deal breaker[/QUOTE]
And what apps do you use that makes you not want to touch WP, because I can tell you now most are likely there.
The only major one that everyone and their dog loves that isn't on WP is snapchat because the company behind it has their head up their own ass.
[QUOTE=Reagy;50732287]And what apps do you use that makes you not want to touch WP, because I can tell you now most are likely there.
The only major one that everyone and their dog loves that isn't on WP is snapchat because the company behind it has their head up their own ass.[/QUOTE]
Also Chrome.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50732296]Also Chrome.[/QUOTE]
My argument to that is Chrome Mobile is slow trash with only bonus that it can 1-1 sync with your desktop.
Opera Mini and IEM work better on the mobile platform from my experience.
[QUOTE=Reagy;50732319]My argument to that is Chrome Mobile is slow trash with only bonus that it can 1-1 sync with your desktop.
Opera Mini and IEM work better on the mobile platform from my experience.[/QUOTE]
That's why you get a phone with 6gb RAM.
But in all seriousness I didn't find IEM much better for the 8 months I had a WP as my daily driver than Chrome is nowadays.
[QUOTE=redBadger;50732134]The people who have privacy concerns about windows don't realize that windows 7 does the exact same thing. And I bet these people use Google and YouTube constantly.[/QUOTE]
The issue is transparency. If Microsoft would actually be completely transparent about the data collected and give users full control over how much of that data gets sent, even if it's enabled by default, then people would have a lot fewer concerns. Personally I've done everything I can to disable it all until Microsoft chooses to be completely transparent and unambiguous about it. In reality there's a good chance I'd be perfectly fine with it if I had all information about it. Ie: Firefox allows you to fully disable telemetry and allows you to sift through exactly the information that gets sent so you can actually make an informed decision on it. And for the record, with the exception of Youtube, I avoid Google's services altogether whenever possible (though I do occasionally have to resort to Google since it [i]is[/i] the best search engine out there) and even have [url=https://tools.google.com/dlpage/gaoptout]Google's Analytics blocking addon[/url] installed on my browser because I think one corporation having so much information about everyone's activity on the internet is a bad idea.
[QUOTE=Reagy;50732319]My argument to that is Chrome Mobile is slow trash with only bonus that it can 1-1 sync with your desktop.
Opera Mini and IEM work better on the mobile platform from my experience.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you're having to go "it's okay that it's on there because the app is bad in the first place" as an excuse is reason enough to not get a Windows Phone.
While sure, the amount apps might have grown over time it still doesn't change the fact that buying an Android or iOS device practically guarantees the next big app will be on your platform and buying a Windows Phone always runs the risk of having that app be delayed or not coming to it at all.
For example, all of my friends are playing Pokemon Go and the nation (U.S. at least, I hear it's delayed in pretty much everywhere else) is raving about it and everyone knows what it is.
But guess what, it's not on WP.
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Also neither is Firefox and that's my go-to browser for every device.
[QUOTE=gk99;50732417]The fact that you're having to go "it's okay that it's on there because the app is bad in the first place" as an excuse is reason enough to not get a Windows Phone.
While sure, the amount apps might have grown over time it still doesn't change the fact that buying an Android or iOS device practically guarantees the next big app will be on your platform and buying a Windows Phone always runs the risk of having that app be delayed or not coming to it at all.
For example, all of my friends are playing Pokemon Go and the nation (U.S. at least, I hear it's delayed in pretty much everywhere else) is raving about it and everyone knows what it is.
But guess what, it's not on WP.
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Also neither is Firefox and that's my go-to browser for every device.[/QUOTE]
Well call me a cynical bitch then because half the apps people rave on about I don't give a fuck about.
I use my phone to make calls, send messages, use the internet via a browser and work as an account authentication tool, guess I'm not the type of person most developers aim themselves at when making their devices as I don't give a damn about trivial apps like Pokemon Go. v:v:v
Also I'm just going to raise a point here, the engine and development tool that Pokemon Go was built in, has native WP export options and a lot of games on IOS and Andriod are made using these exact same tools that also have WP exporting, they just never export them for no real reason.
[QUOTE=Reagy;50732171]I like it but god as someone who is what could be described as a power user, I hate how restrictive it is at first and how many fucking loopholes you gotta go around to re-allow the OS to do stuff that it should by default.
I had to spend an hour to figure out why my printer drivers worked fine on 7 and 8 but not 8.1 and 10, turned out its because some genius at MS decided to block the installation of kernel drivers even though Windows Update will supply them and give you the option to install them, to get around this you gotta dig into the fucking group policies on the machine, make 5 different changes then HOPE it works after that because RNG likes to say no with W10 where settings sometimes still don't work.
The other annoying thing is not being able to set stuff like the CMD to automatically open in administrator mode, having to right click then tell it to launch as admin is annoying but livable and the old registry edits that allowed you to do this on 7 and 8 don't work on 10 from my experience because again, genius decided its not MS approved and tells you instead to launch it via right clicking the start button and doing it off that menu which is basically the same shit.
And don't get me started on the control panel vs "settings" where both lack shit that the other has because they never bothered to give the settings window the amount of control the control panel has but also never bothered to add in the new shit to the control panel so you gotta do some wacky ass double window fuckaround to get some stuff to stay.
Oh and my biggest fucking annoyance of it all, getting a 144hz monitor to duplicate its display to a 60hz capture card while still keeping the main display at 144hz, works on 7, 8 and 8.1. W10? Pah go fuck yourself both of those displays need to be 60hz obviously unless you wipe all of the display presets and force the fucker to do what you want with a gun to its head, and even then if you so much as let the OS touch its display options after that it'll revert back to the dumb same refresh rate for both displays with no way to change it back unless you repeat the whole process again.
Its very, annoying.[/QUOTE]
Why the fuck does a [I]printer driver[/I] need to fuck around in the kernel any way?
[QUOTE=redBadger;50732134]The people who have privacy concerns about windows don't realize that windows 7 does the exact same thing. And I bet these people use Google and YouTube constantly.[/QUOTE]
Whiiiiiich got added by updates that you actually [I]CAN [/I]block.
And there's also many ways to "camouflage" your web browsing so ol' Google can't track it.
[QUOTE=helifreak;50734372]Why the fuck does a [I]printer driver[/I] need to fuck around in the kernel any way?[/QUOTE]
No good reason, which is why Microsoft blocked it.
But they probably just shipped 1 driver for a really wide selection of OSs, or maybe it needed bluetooth or network support before the standard printer driver got that.
[QUOTE=Cold;50734717]No good reason, which is why Microsoft blocked it.
But they probably just shipped 1 driver for a really wide selection of OSs, or maybe it needed bluetooth or network support before the standard printer driver got that.[/QUOTE]
Its an old HP Laserjet 2100 so I'm not surprised that its a kernel driver, it hasn't been updated since XP.
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