Welp, I'm looking into getting another computer, and I'm not exactly sure what I want to get. I've been browsing on newegg just looking around, and I think I want [URL="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070"]this[/URL]. But then again, I've got no idea what I should get, and I'm willing to go to $1700 USD if it's worth it.
2500K, GTX 570, XFX 850W, HAF 922, MSI GD65, Spinpoint F3, ASUS CD/DVD Burner.
Don't get 2600K is you aren't doing heavy video/photo multitasking.
I'll try to get links tomorrow.
MSI's P67 boards are all being removed when they run out of stock, for UK retailers at least.
the P8P67 PRO or P8Z68-V are usually close to if not cheaper than the GD65
[QUOTE=gokuman4594;32106062]XFX 850W[/QUOTE]
wat
850W is a bit overkill for that i have a 560W seasonic with a 570 and 2400 + xonar essence stx sound card and a couple drives and it runs fine
[QUOTE=Kamshak;32231559]wat
850W is a bit overkill for that i have a 560W seasonic with a 570 and 2400 + xonar essence stx sound card and a couple drives and it runs fine[/QUOTE]
Possible SLI in the future, overclocking, and a bit spare.
idk if he wants that, if you want sli later you need to get a sli board and make sure it fits in the case and you still have proper cooling, same with OCing
graphics cars get better so fast, its often better to just get the a new card instead of going sli
[QUOTE=Kamshak;32232667]idk if he wants that, if you want sli later you need to get a sli board and make sure it fits in the case and you still have proper cooling, same with OCing
graphics cars get better so fast, its often better to just get the a new card instead of going sli[/QUOTE]
SLI or crossfire is a great planned future upgrade, the prices for video cards fall and by the time you want the second video card prices will have dropped, and it'd give you nearly double the power for far less than another single video card solution.
if you look at benchmarks and how much more fps it actually gives you on games it doesnt give you anything close to double but usually around 20% more
the prices dont fall that much, they stop at some point and for 20% more power you get 100% more noise(that is very important to me, i hate loud computers, idk about you) and energy consumption, it's not worth it
if you want it to show off then get it but i'd get sli in the initial build
[QUOTE=Kamshak;32237083]if you look at benchmarks and how much more fps it actually gives you on games it doesnt give you anything close to double but usually around 20% more
the prices dont fall that much, they stop at some point and for 20% more power you get 100% more noise(that is very important to me, i hate loud computers, idk about you) and energy consumption, it's not worth it
if you want it to show off then get it but i'd get sli in the initial build[/QUOTE]
i don't know what benchmarks you're looking at, all the ones I see are about just below 50%-100% increase in FPS, depending on the cards and the game (some do better in SLI).
[url]http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-review/5[/url]
[url]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,2776-20.html[/url]
Plus, say you have a GTX 460 already and you're looking for more performance: a GTX 460 is only like $150, a 570 is around $250, you would get more performance for lower cost by buying another GTX 460 for $150 rather than getting a different single GPU solution.
SLI is a great planned future upgrade, and it's dumb to SLI initially.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;32244148]i don't know what benchmarks you're looking at, all the ones I see are about just below 50%-100% increase in FPS, depending on the cards and the game (some do better in SLI).
[url]http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-review/5[/url]
[url]http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,2776-20.html[/url]
Plus, say you have a GTX 460 already and you're looking for more performance: a GTX 460 is only like $150, a 570 is around $250, you would get more performance for lower cost by buying another GTX 460 for $150 rather than getting a different single GPU solution.
SLI is a great planned future upgrade, and it's dumb to SLI initially.[/QUOTE]
If you go with evga card you can always use the step up program :)
And the thing that really speaks against sli is the DOUBLE noise and power consumption at mostly only a 50% increase in performace. And i know people who did just put a second card in their pc after it was 2-3years old and they still couldn't play the new games properly(i guess as the technology advances the new cards can handle stuff better than the old cards)
Also when using bigger PSUs than you need you waste energy as the PSUs work best when at the performace level they were designed for, if you use only 80% of the power the PSU could provide, you might get 20% less performance at the same power consumption(With 80PLUS PSUs you can avoid this to some point tho).
You should really give the step up program a thought, it might be the thing you want
The EVGA step up program just lets you get a better card within 90 days of purchasing a card, for the difference. That isn't really the same thing at all. And sound doesn't work like that, two 10dB noise sources added together doesn't produce 20dB of noise, but yes there will probably be increased noise, but we're talking about performance, and if noise is a concern and you'd like to upgrade to SLI in the future, you should accommodate for that by getting a good motherboard with distant PCI-E slots, as well as a well insulated and noise dampening case with a good amount of airflow. I understand SLI isn't your type of thing, but it's something people should consider.
[QUOTE=Kamshak;32255483]If you go with evga card you can always use the step up program :)
And the thing that really speaks against sli is the DOUBLE noise and power consumption at mostly only a 50% increase in performace. And i know people who did just put a second card in their pc after it was 2-3years old and they still couldn't play the new games properly(i guess as the technology advances the new cards can handle stuff better than the old cards)
Also when using bigger PSUs than you need you waste energy as the PSUs work best when at the performace level they were designed for, if you use only 80% of the power the PSU could provide, you might get 20% less performance at the same power consumption(With 80PLUS PSUs you can avoid this to some point tho).
You should really give the step up program a thought, it might be the thing you want[/QUOTE]
you really should stop posting until you get a better grip on what you're saying because all you're doing right now is spreading misinformation
SLi performance difference usually increases at higher resolutions and current cards can approach 90-100% performance increase above 1920x1080
[url]http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-review/11[/url]
two fans creating the exact same volume of noise will not be twice as loud, there would be a small increase in noise but far from double
power supplies do not work anything like you seem to think. the parts in a PC will only draw the power they need, a higher wattage PSU only allows for more power to be supplied in total
You never want to put 100% load on a PSU, in fact 50% is where efficiency is highest and a PSU is performing best
80 Plus only specifies that a PSU has provided power with a certain level of efficiency, efficiency being how much power a PSU can supply that is not lost as other energy (like heat). a PSU with 80% efficiency providing power to parts that are drawing 100W will have to draw 120W from the wall, 20W of which will then be lost as other energy like heat
efficiency has no effect on how much a PSU can output, it only affects how much it has to draw in to output an amount
and step-up is not that useful unless you find the card you bought isn't good enough and you want to pay the extra, or if a better card comes out for only a slightly higher price e.g. you buy a GTX 570 and a few weeks later the GTX 6__s are released and the 660 ends up perform higher than the 570 for a similar price, in which case you would use step-up to get the better card and only have to pay the difference
[QUOTE=Shadaez;32255861]The EVGA step up program just lets you get a better card within 90 days of purchasing a card, for the difference. That isn't really the same thing at all. And sound doesn't work like that, two 10dB noise sources added together doesn't produce 20dB of noise, but yes there will probably be increased noise, but we're talking about performance, and if noise is a concern and you'd like to upgrade to SLI in the future, you should accommodate for that by getting a good motherboard with distant PCI-E slots, as well as a well insulated and noise dampening case with a good amount of airflow. I understand SLI isn't your type of thing, but it's something people should consider.[/QUOTE]
More full stops please.
But yes, SLI is a very good upgrade-path since you just need to slot a card in and change drivers.
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two fans creating the exact same volume of noise will not be twice as loud, there would be a small increase in noise but far from double
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It IS a whole lot louder, especially since graphics cards tend to be very loud anyway. It doesn't double the amount of db but db is a bit hard to use accurately anyway, if you have a difference from 10db to 20db you might not think its a lot louder, if you have 130db and add 10db you'll see that 140db is a LOT louder. I'd rather have a silent and energy saving single card solution and maybe only get a 35% boost than have a 50% boost and lotsa power consumption, noise and heat production. And you WILL get double power consumption with double amount of cards and with a new single gpu you dont usually have that.
Nothing stops you from selling your old gpu when you upgrade anyway :)
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power supplies do not work anything like you seem to think. the parts in a PC will only draw the power they need, a higher wattage PSU only allows for more power to be supplied in total
You never want to put 100% load on a PSU, in fact 50% is where efficiency is highest and a PSU is performing best
80 Plus only specifies that a PSU has provided power with a certain level of efficiency, efficiency being how much power a PSU can supply that is not lost as other energy (like heat). a PSU with 80% efficiency providing power to parts that are drawing 100W will have to draw 120W from the wall, 20W of which will then be lost as other energy like heat
efficiency has no effect on how much a PSU can output, it only affects how much it has to draw in to output an amount
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That's not was i was trying to say. The pc does only drain as much as it needs but the efficiency of the psu decreases if you don't take as much power. Say you have a 750W psu and only use 500W the efficiency might decrease from say 85% to 75% so even tho your pc uses only 500W you will still use 670W from the wall.
80PLUS not only has standards that define how much efficiency a psu has under load and when not fully used(the 80PLUS standard means that even if you only use 20% of the PSUs output you still get 80% efficiency)
As english is not my native language i didn't fully understand the step up program but yeah upgrading after only 3 months does seem a bit dumb.
I have seen systems with sli cards and all i have seen so far is that it really sucked, it seems to be great in theory but there are many practical things that make it look as if it is a technology only for people who really want to get the maximum performance possible, regardless of price, noise and power consumption.
[QUOTE=Kamshak;32268730]if you have 130db and add 10db you'll see that 140db is a LOT louder.
And you WILL get double power consumption with double amount of cards and with a new single gpu you dont usually have that.[/QUOTE]
If you're already at 130db, you're crossing the pain threshold of most people. If you had your computer going that loud constantly, you'd be quite deaf. So bad argument.
I have 2 5770's crossfired in my rig. Only time I can hear them is when the computer first turns on and they go full blast for a few seconds. Also, if it was a 100% in power consumption, I would've blown my power supply. I haven't. Also, GPU's aren't the only thing drawing power, your USB ports, optical and hard drives, fans, and CPU draw power, meaning that it's impossible for adding one card to double the power consumption of your whole rig even if it was running at full load, which it doesn't 99% of the time.
As for heat, well can't say much as my cards are a. 5770's; b. the primary sucks hot air off the secondary. Problems of a bottom mounted PSU, can't fit any other way.
[QUOTE=SataniX;32264962]More full stops please.
But yes, SLI is a very good upgrade-path since you just need to slot a card in and change drivers.[/QUOTE]
yeah that was pretty bad, sorry
[QUOTE=Killerelf12;32287829]Also, if it was a 100% in power consumption, I would've blown my power supply. I haven't. Also, GPU's aren't the only thing drawing power, your USB ports, optical and hard drives, fans, and CPU draw power, meaning that it's impossible for adding one card to double the power consumption of your whole rig even if it was running at full load, which it doesn't 99% of the time. [/QUOTE]
Are you just fucking with me or do you really think i'm that stupid? I was of course refering to the gpu, if you have one gpu drawing 300W and you add a second one of that you get 2x300W = 600W.
Rob hasnt replied here anyway so anything in here might be irrelevant to him. I'm sorry if you and your graphics cards feel offended if i say that sli has its downsides too and is not suited for everyone
I'm not saying that sli is bad for everyone but it is defo not a pure win solution with no drawbacks.
[QUOTE=Kamshak;32308856]Are you just fucking with me or do you really think i'm that stupid? I was of course refering to the gpu, if you have one gpu drawing 300W and you add a second one of that you get 2x300W = 600W.
Rob hasnt replied here anyway so anything in here might be irrelevant to him. I'm sorry if you and your graphics cards feel offended if i say that sli has its downsides too and is not suited for everyone
I'm not saying that sli is bad for everyone but it is defo not a pure win solution with no drawbacks.[/QUOTE]
2x GPU's doesn't mean 2x power usage.
In single gpu mode, a card has to render all frames.
In SLI, they each render alternating frames or both do half of the frame.
Meaning, they do half as much than when you would run a single GPU.
GPU need to do less = less power usage. The actual power usage will come out to about 400w.
[QUOTE=Goz3rr;32315261]2x GPU's doesn't mean 2x power usage.
In single gpu mode, a card has to render all frames.
In SLI, they each render alternating frames or both do half of the frame.
Meaning, they do half as much than when you would run a single GPU.
GPU need to do less = less power usage. The actual power usage will come out to about 400w.[/QUOTE]
You forget the overhead, the amount of "base" power the gpu draws in order to work and that when you upgrade you will probably have games that actually use the newly gained performance.
[QUOTE=Kamshak;32315446]You forget the overhead, the amount of "base" power the gpu draws in order to work and that when you upgrade you will probably have games that actually use the newly gained performance.[/QUOTE]
It still won't get to 600w
[QUOTE=Goz3rr;32315261]2x GPU's doesn't mean 2x power usage.
In single gpu mode, a card has to render all frames.
In SLI, they each render alternating frames or both do half of the frame.
Meaning, they do half as much than when you would run a single GPU.
GPU need to do less = less power usage. The actual power usage will come out to about 400w.[/QUOTE]
That's assuming cards can be shut down 100%, and that you have a set limit of frames to render. I let my SLI'd cards run as fast as they want normally.
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