Easier than bugfixing I guess, just make examples of anybody caught noticing your bugs
why bug fix the game that you're responsible for when you can just blame the players for exploiting it tbh
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Remember that Rust glitchers don't get banned for bugging the game
Really seems like owning up to the fact that your game has bugs is the right thing to do
Said it before and I'll say it again. The moderators of this game are not qualified to be mods. They're literally just friends of Playerunknown. It's like he said 'Hey guys! You wanna be part of my game team?' and just gave them a job of power because he gets along with them.
Yeah, fuck that cunt for having fun. How dare you make someone upset in a video game!
Why even make the game available through early access if you're going to ban people who abuse bugs? How about maybe fix the fucking thing instead?
[QUOTE=gk99;52560006]Why even make the game available through early access if you're going to ban people who abuse bugs? How about maybe fix the fucking thing instead?[/QUOTE]
The funniest thing about banning for bugs is that regardless of context, it sends the message that you should [B]never send in bug reports or you could be banned[/B], no matter how much they talk about reporting it, it sends exactly the worst message possible and will cause less people to send in bug reports
the entire fucking advantage of early access is that you get free funding and bug testers, the two most impossibly useful things for a dev that can't afford bug testers.
Yeah Destiny shouldn't have got banned for this to be honest, it was a one off, if he was doing it constantly across multiple games then sure but it was a one off time because the building load glitch is something you seriously can not control, it just happens and its another example of Bluehole needing to fix their prefab loading system which is clearly a load of wank currently.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52560016]The funniest thing about banning for bugs is that regardless of context, it sends the message that you should [B]never send in bug reports or you could be banned[/B], no matter how much they talk about reporting it, it sends exactly the worst message possible and will cause less people to send in bug reports
the entire fucking advantage of early access is that you get free funding and bug testers, the two most impossibly useful things for a dev that can't afford bug testers.[/QUOTE]
No the entire point of early access is to get money from a broken game that you couldn't afford to finish before releasing.
[editline]11th August 2017[/editline]
This is just them being obvious about how motivated they are to finding/fixing bugs. Basically they're saying they're going to treat it like a released game and just focus on what the majority of the player-base wants.
Your game can't be this popular and still be early access, at a certain point its just a technically unreleased buggy game. You'd have to sell a lot of copies of PUBG "launch" for it to feel anything like a launch.
[QUOTE=MedicWine;52560026]No the entire point of early access is to get money from a broken game that you couldn't afford to finish before releasing.
[editline]11th August 2017[/editline]
This is just them being obvious about how motivated they are to finding/fixing bugs. Basically they're saying they're going to treat it like a released game and just focus on what the majority of the player-base wants.
Your game can't be that big and be early access.[/QUOTE]
I mean, a pretty solid portion of devs sure as fuck treat it this way. There definitely are plenty of devs that pretend that Early access is some kind of VIP lounge for all the cool kids and use the facade of 'beta testing' to basically be lazy.
But we do see some pretty well made games coming from it. Just look at how genuinely amazing slime rancher is. Just look at the still being made Space Engineers as well. They use their tools appropriately really.
Your game is in early access, and all the buildings disappeared on the map at no fault of the player.
A bit unfair to ban for that, isn't it? Even if he did take advantage of it, it's your fuck up.
And you ban people for stream sniping, which is stupid, too. It's the streamer's fault for broadcasting their position to everyone...
PUBG's devs are just being backwards
glad i didnt buy into this game
Every time I read anything about PUBG, Im glad I didn't buy it. The dev team seems to be stupid as fuck.
[QUOTE=ragin cajun;52560173]glad i didnt buy into this game[/QUOTE]
Kinda regret getting it. If you don't have a friend or a team to play with its just not fun. Some moments of tension and some satisfying gun fights, but if you don't have friends and you go down you have no option but to just leave
hes going to debate the developers on stream and do epic reactions
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;52560308]Kinda regret getting it. If you don't have a friend or a team to play with its just not fun. Some moments of tension and some satisfying gun fights, but if you don't have friends and you go down you have no option but to just leave[/QUOTE]
I've gotten and seen my fellow players, mostly FPs discord group, clutch a good number of wins like that though
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52560184]Every time I read anything about PUBG, Im glad I didn't buy it. The dev team seems to be stupid as fuck.[/QUOTE]
Yea, one guy was temp banned for verbally abusing and teamkilling a stranger, another was autobanned after getting thousands of reports at once, and a third was temp banned for exploiting a major bug on stream. Terrible game.
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Not to say this ban is justified but people are creating some weird narrative about power-hungry mods who ban anyone who kills a streamer to protect their revenue, but then also bans streamers for some reason. It has 0 impact on the actual game or anyone else playing it.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52560469]Yea, one guy was temp banned for verbally abusing and teamkilling a stranger, another was autobanned after getting thousands of reports at once, and a third was temp banned for exploiting a major bug on stream. Terrible game.
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Not to say this ban is justified but people are creating some weird narrative about power-hungry mods who ban anyone who kills a streamer to protect their revenue, but then also bans streamers for some reason. It has 0 impact on the actual game or anyone else playing it.[/QUOTE]
The source of this is that you never hear about people getting banned for bugs in Rust outside of skiddies crying after they get banned for aimbotting and claiming it was a rock bug
so when people here hear about someone being banned for a bug, and teamkilling, etc, its something that's very alien to us
[QUOTE=J!NX;52559968]why bug fix the game that you're responsible for when you can just blame the players for exploiting it tbh[/QUOTE]
A game developer can do both, no? As in, both ban people who abuse glitches to gain a massive advantage and ruin the game for pretty much everyone they encounter in a match, while also working to fix the glitch (to be fair, the devs have done a shit of fixing the glitch).
When someone knowingly exploits a glitch that gives them an advantage, in this case a significant one, they should be banned. Just because it doesn't require some specific input to trigger is irrelevant.
[quote=The Article]Yes, he clearly took enthusiastic advantage of it, but is he supposed to just not kill anyone, or quit the game outright, because of something that's completely not his fault?[/quote]
Yes, quit the match and start another one. As I understand it, this glitch appears at the start of the match and can (does?) remain all the way through. Sure, it sucks to waste a few minutes of time restarting once you've parachuted down and realize you're experience the glitch, but that's the cost of playing an early access game. Continuing to play with such an advantage is flat out wrong.
For reference, here's a link to the full stream of the match from the YouTube clip in the article, starting when the streamer jumped from the aircraft: [url]https://www.twitch.tv/videos/165506994?t=05h01m32s[/url] The streamer clearly knows they are experiencing a glitch right from the start, and given this is a popular streamer who has played for some insane amount of hours, I really have a hard time believing they weren't aware of this glitch. Regardless, the streamer clearly knew he was able to do things he shouldn't (walk through walls) and should have just quit and started a new match.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52560469]Yea, one guy was temp banned for verbally abusing and teamkilling a stranger, another was autobanned after getting thousands of reports at once, and a third was temp banned for exploiting a major bug on stream. Terrible game.
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Not to say this ban is justified but people are creating some weird narrative about power-hungry mods who ban anyone who kills a streamer to protect their revenue, but then also bans streamers for some reason. It has 0 impact on the actual game or anyone else playing it.[/QUOTE]
A stranger who had just gotten done teamkilling all the guy's teammates.
Who says those reports were justified and not just people brigading? What's to stop a popular streamer from going "Wahhh, this guy killed me, everyone go report him!" until they get autobanned? Sounds like a terrible system to have in place.
What was this guy's other option? Just drive away and ignore the other players because the devs can't be bothered fixing what is clearly a very serious bug?
I don't think the mods are going around banning anyone, but a lot of their policies and bans just don't make any goddamn sense. I'd be worried playing this game because who knows, I might get randomly banned for unintentionally exploiting a bug I had no way of knowing was happening, killing a streamer who accuses me of watching his stream to know where he is or killing a streamer who sics their fanbase on me to abuse autobans.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52560016]The funniest thing about banning for bugs is that regardless of context, it sends the message that you should [B]never send in bug reports or you could be banned[/B], no matter how much they talk about reporting it, it sends exactly the worst message possible and will cause less people to send in bug reports.[/QUOTE]
That isn't the message it sends at all. That match was going on for a long time before reaching the clip in the article, and the streamer was experiencing the bug from the very start of the match. Further, the streamer knew they were experiencing a bug and gaining an advantage because of it (at the very least, they knew they could see/walk through walls). Banning this streamer sends the message that if you knowingly exploit a bug, you're going to be banned; and it's pretty clear cut that this person was knowingly exploiting the bug.
[editline]11th August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52560503]What was this guy's other option? Just drive away and ignore the other players because the devs can't be bothered fixing what is clearly a very serious bug?
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Restart the game, or exit the match after realizing they were experiencing a bug which was giving them an advantage and start a new match?
To be clear, [url=https://www.twitch.tv/videos/165506994?t=05h01m32s]the streamer was experiencing the bug from the start of the match[/url], and they knew it was giving them an advantage; it wasn't something that suddenly started happening seconds before the clip in the video in the article.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;52560513]That isn't the message it sends at all. That match was going on for a long time before reaching the clip in the article, and the streamer was experiencing the bug from the very start of the match. Further, the streamer knew they were experiencing a bug and gaining an advantage because of it (at the very least, they knew they could see/walk through walls). Banning this streamer sends the message that if you knowingly exploit a bug, you're going to be banned; and it's pretty clear cut that this person was knowingly exploiting the bug.[/QUOTE]
Yea thats true but is it really a precedent we should be setting? Of course abusing a bug is a shitty thing to do but really the better option is to just fix the bug so nobody can exploit it anymore, without any bans. I think its ridiculous that the person is expected to just drop playing the game for a bug they didnt even intentionally trigger or otherwise risk being banned.
In this situation specifically, I could understand if he was purposely triggering the glitch and showing how to do it (rather than reporting it silently to the devs), but it wasnt even intentional on his end. Thats pretty much punishing the players for bug testing your early access game, which is part of the point of playing early access games.
[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52560503]A stranger who had just gotten done teamkilling all the guy's teammates.
Who says those reports were justified and not just people brigading? What's to stop a popular streamer from going "Wahhh, this guy killed me, everyone go report him!" until they get autobanned? Sounds like a terrible system to have in place.
What was this guy's other option? Just drive away and ignore the other players because the devs can't be bothered fixing what is clearly a very serious bug?
I don't think the mods are going around banning anyone, but a lot of their policies and bans just don't make any goddamn sense. I'd be worried playing this game because who knows, I might get randomly banned for unintentionally exploiting a bug I had no way of knowing was happening, killing a streamer who accuses me of watching his stream to know where he is or killing a streamer who sics their fanbase on me to abuse autobans.[/QUOTE]
No, those aren't particularly justified bans. But they're only publicized (and probably were only caught in the first place) because they involved popular streamers. There's only been like 3 of these 'unfair' bans in the 5 months this game has been out - with 500,000 peak players, I think the chances are way too low to justify the hate or worrying about being the 4th target.
As someone that hasn't really gotten involved in the PUBG community and development, can anyone tell me why there's an absolute snowstorm anytime anyone is banned? This is probably the second or third thread on it and it baffles me, hundreds of games have shitty mod teams that ban for the smallest things. Not evwn joking or anything, i genuinely want to know.
I never understood the fun of survival games. It's not fun ending up dead in the matter of a half of a second and losing everything. It just sounds like something that'd be extremely frustrating for me.
[QUOTE=Zadrave;52561026]I never understood the fun of survival games. It's not fun ending up dead in the matter of a half of a second and losing everything. It just sounds like something that'd be extremely frustrating for me.[/QUOTE]
PUBG is probably the least "survival" game of the genre, almost to the point were I wouldn't even count it as one as all.
The closest to it being "survival" is that you have to scrounge for your weapons. Other than that, the game is pretty much focused on the PvP.
I don't think it tries to be in the survival game genre. People just say it is for some reason.
first they banned people for very impossible stream sniping in a matchmaking game and now for a glitch abuse?
with every day it makes the game less attractive
Is the ban temporary or permanent?
If it's only temporary then I guess it's fair, I would be pissed if the guy who killed me using this glitch didn't get punished for it.
However, a permanent ban would be really abusive for a one time glitch exploit.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;52560469]Yea, one guy was temp banned for verbally abusing and teamkilling a stranger, another was autobanned after getting thousands of reports at once, and a third was temp banned for exploiting a major bug on stream. Terrible game.
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Not to say this ban is justified but people are creating some weird narrative about power-hungry mods who ban anyone who kills a streamer to protect their revenue, but then also bans streamers for some reason. It has 0 impact on the actual game or anyone else playing it.[/QUOTE]
They're banning people (from a multiplayer game) for things that should be basic mechanics of your game. (Just implement an auto-kick/tempban system for TK?) Not the worst thing in the world, but it paints a pretty clear picture that these devs are willing to take shortcuts.
[editline]11th August 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Captain;52561035]PUBG is probably the least "survival" game of the genre, almost to the point were I wouldn't even count it as one as all.
The closest to it being "survival" is that you have to scrounge for your weapons. Other than that, the game is pretty much focused on the PvP.[/QUOTE]
And you'll find your gear just sitting on the floor in the middle of a room. This isn't the kind of game to stash stuff around the environment contextually. I think this game is an FPS version of musical chairs.
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