I really don't get the point of some of the spam filtering email services do in the first place. We have a spam folder so why prevent spam emails from even arriving in the first place? Just put it in our damned spam folder if you think it's spam so you don't prevent legitimate emails from getting through.
Hotmail is still a thing?
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50436311]I really don't get the point of some of the spam filtering email services do in the first place. We have a spam folder so why prevent spam emails from even arriving in the first place? Just put it in our damned spam folder if you think it's spam so you don't prevent legitimate emails from getting through.[/QUOTE]
Probably because a fair amount of them contain malware and/or harmful links (if you're not blocking remote images you're fucked if you as much as preview the email).
I agree though, it'd be convenient if those who know what they're doing could just let everything end up in Spam.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50436311]I really don't get the point of some of the spam filtering email services do in the first place. We have a spam folder so why prevent spam emails from even arriving in the first place? Just put it in our damned spam folder if you think it's spam so you don't prevent legitimate emails from getting through.[/QUOTE]
Denial of Service attacks, Email Client Exploits, Viruses, and stuff like impersonation attacks. Can't really be put in the spam folder.
I wondered why I was getting A LOT of spam today, that be why.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;50436362]Probably because a fair amount of them contain malware and/or harmful links (if you're not blocking remote images you're fucked if you as much as preview the email).
I agree though, it'd be convenient if those who know what they're doing could just let everything end up in Spam.[/QUOTE]
It'd be useful because a lot of small forums and other such sites tend to end up getting filtered the same way. This ends up in situations where people try to register for said sites and never receive their activation email. There are poorly documented steps the site owner can take to rectify this issue but any site on shared hosting is still going to have issues since these filtering services go by ip rather than domain name.
Your spam box should already block remote images and such by default, to do otherwise would be an extremely idiotic choice on the part of the email service. While these services may help those with no judgment when it comes to clicking every link they're sent, they're an enormous pain in the ass for legitimate uses too and clearly don't catch all spam by any means.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50436311]I really don't get the point of some of the spam filtering email services do in the first place. We have a spam folder so why prevent spam emails from even arriving in the first place? Just put it in our damned spam folder if you think it's spam so you don't prevent legitimate emails from getting through.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so here's the deal. There's a lot of ip blocklists out there, and one of them is the most basic level block list you can use.
It has 667.930.935 unique IP addresses. Do you want even half of those to send you spam that may or may not arrive in your spam folder?
[QUOTE=mastersrp;50436544]Okay, so here's the deal. There's a lot of ip blocklists out there, and one of them is the most basic level block list you can use.
It has 667.930.935 unique IP addresses. Do you want even half of those to send you spam that may or may not arrive in your spam folder?[/QUOTE]
If it goes to my spam folder I don't see why I would care if I receive it? Especially if it means that legitimate emails aren't going to simply never arrive. If it all goes to my spam folder then I can at least search through it for the legit email that got flagged as spam. Something I cannot do if it's flat out completely filtered out of the system altogether.
[QUOTE=SoUl_ReApEr2;50436454]I wondered why I was getting A LOT of spam today, that be why.[/QUOTE]
Same here, checked my account this morning and at least 10 junk emails were in my main folder.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50436600]If it goes to my spam folder I don't see why I would care if I receive it? Especially if it means that legitimate emails aren't going to simply never arrive. If it all goes to my spam folder then I can at least search through it for the legit email that got flagged as spam. Something I cannot do if it's flat out completely filtered out of the system altogether.[/QUOTE]
You can't search for legit mail that you don't know you've received, if your spam folder receives more than a hundred thousand spam emails a day. I don't know how you would do that anyway.
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Besides, it's stupidly easy to avoid getting flagged or going to the spam folder. The time it takes to ensure it doesn't happen is even faster than logging in to hotmail and searching through the spam folder to find the email.
I mean it literally should not take more than 2 minutes if you know what you're doing, because it's at most 3 things that need to be done.
Why has outlook gotten progressively worse over time? First it got unbearably slow, then they took out the ability to delete all emails from more than one address at a time, and now this.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;50436544]Okay, so here's the deal. There's a lot of ip blocklists out there, and one of them is the most basic level block list you can use.
It has 667.930.935 unique IP addresses. Do you want even half of those to send you spam that may or may not arrive in your spam folder?[/QUOTE]
I think it'd be kinda neat to have an email service specifically for all the spam. Not to be used normally but to see what kind of interesting time capsules might be floating around. Maybe it's just me but I think it'd be cool to get spam from some server that's been sending the same thing for two decades. Reading spam from the late 90s and early 2000s sounds interesting, who knows what kind of weird shit is out there.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;50437241]You can't search for legit mail that you don't know you've received, if your spam folder receives more than a hundred thousand spam emails a day. I don't know how you would do that anyway.[/QUOTE]
I can't speak for all email services but Yahoo allows you to search your emails. Though for some reason the spam folder is not a valid location for this. For me personally though I can search very easily since I use Thunderbird. I'd assume Outlook and other email clients probably have similar functionality.
[QUOTE]Besides, it's stupidly easy to avoid getting flagged or going to the spam folder. The time it takes to ensure it doesn't happen is even faster than logging in to hotmail and searching through the spam folder to find the email.
I mean it literally should not take more than 2 minutes if you know what you're doing, because it's at most 3 things that need to be done.[/QUOTE]
Not as simple as you think. If you don't have a dedicated ip address on shared hosting you're basically guaranteed to get flagged again nearly immediately. After having finally figured it out awhile ago I got a small forum I host for an lper verified only for it to last like a day and a half before someone else on the same server got us flagged again.
[QUOTE=Axznma;50437402]I think it'd be kinda neat to have an email service specifically for all the spam. Not to be used normally but to see what kind of interesting time capsules might be floating around. Maybe it's just me but I think it'd be cool to get spam from some server that's been sending the same thing for two decades. Reading spam from the late 90s and early 2000s sounds interesting, who knows what kind of weird shit is out there.[/QUOTE]
I agree it would be fun. But the problem is that a large portion of those IP addresses are owned and/or used by people with less fun intentions. They send spam, but that's not all they do. Setting up a server will also likely result in a billion attacks a day, just by not blocking them.
Hotmail used to be my primary e-mail before they screwed me over and locked me out of it. Fuck them gmail is better.
[QUOTE=gdfsgdfg;50438086]Hotmail used to be my primary e-mail before they screwed me over and locked me out of it. Fuck them gmail is better.[/QUOTE]
I have an old email account from 2005 or so that I made on Hotmail that I got locked out from around 2009 or so. I desperately tried to recover it but to no avail. I filled in all the info perfectly to recover it but nooo it wasn't enough. I could probably send them my personal details about how much I miss my old email account and how much I loved it and all the things I did with it and so on. Microsoft are fucking terrible at email services.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50436489]It'd be useful because a lot of small forums and other such sites tend to end up getting filtered the same way. This ends up in situations where people try to register for said sites and never receive their activation email. There are poorly documented steps the site owner can take to rectify this issue but any site on shared hosting is still going to have issues since these filtering services go by ip rather than domain name.[/QUOTE]
If people are going to be sending email, they should be sending email properly; most shared hosts don't, and are blocked as such.
If you need to send mail, use a proper service that keeps its IPs very clean, like SES, or Mailgun. And on top of that, send [I]good[/I] mail, which is apparently hard for a lot of people. To further secure your domain from being spoofed, implement SPF, may as well configure DKIM And DMARC while you're at it.
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This thread has pretty much everything discussed about it already: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1509461[/url]
[QUOTE=glitchvid;50442853]If people are going to be sending email, they should be sending email properly; most shared hosts don't, and are blocked as such.
If you need to send mail, use a proper service that keeps its IPs very clean, like SES, or Mailgun. And on top of that, send [I]good[/I] mail, which is apparently hard for a lot of people. To further secure your domain from being spoofed, implement SPF, may as well configure DKIM And DMARC while you're at it.
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This thread has pretty much everything discussed about it already: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1509461[/url][/QUOTE]
If you're using a VPS, all you need to do to properly send email (the easy way) is to set up virtualmin on your box, setup DKIM, and enable DMARC and SPF in your domains DNS settings. You can now properly send email.
Obviously also ensure that PTR records exists, but your provider should enable this (otherwise an email goes a long way).
[QUOTE=glitchvid;50442853]If people are going to be sending email, they should be sending email properly; most shared hosts don't, and are blocked as such.
If you need to send mail, use a proper service that keeps its IPs very clean, like SES, or Mailgun. And on top of that, send [I]good[/I] mail, which is apparently hard for a lot of people. To further secure your domain from being spoofed, implement SPF, may as well configure DKIM And DMARC while you're at it.
[editline]later[/editline]
This thread has pretty much everything discussed about it already: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1509461[/url][/QUOTE]
What about the default email service for something like a phpBB forum? And shared hosting can be pretty limited. Plenty of them don't actually give you options for stuff like that.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;50442999]If you're using a VPS, all you need to do to properly send email (the easy way) is to set up virtualmin on your box, setup DKIM, and enable DMARC and SPF in your domains DNS settings. You can now properly send email.
Obviously also ensure that PTR records exists, but your provider should enable this (otherwise an email goes a long way).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if your IP is clean and you're on a VPS, that's totally fine. Some providers will block the port, but most of them will unblock it if you ask.
[QUOTE=Alice3173;50443242]What about the default email service for something like a phpBB forum? And shared hosting can be pretty limited. Plenty of them don't actually give you options for stuff like that.[/QUOTE]
Virtually every piece of web software that sends mail should allow you to manually set SMTP servers to your mailer of choice (I know SMF, Openfire, Phabricator, all do.).
[QUOTE=glitchvid;50444742]Yeah, if your IP is clean and you're on a VPS, that's totally fine. Some providers will block the port, but most of them will unblock it if you ask.
Virtually every piece of web software that sends mail should allow you to manually set SMTP servers to your mailer of choice (I know SMF, Openfire, Phabricator, all do.).[/QUOTE]
There are VPS providers that block SMTP? That's insane. I haven't met any that would do this yet, but I could just be lucky.
[QUOTE=mastersrp;50444921]There are VPS providers that block SMTP? That's insane. I haven't met any that would do this yet, but I could just be lucky.[/QUOTE]
Most that block it unless you ask is just to prevent people from spinning up a VPS for a month and sending out shittons of spam. VPS providers don't want to start getting their IP's blacklisted by major providers.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50445068]Most that block it unless you ask is just to prevent people from spinning up a VPS for a month and sending out shittons of spam. VPS providers don't want to start getting their IP's blacklisted by major providers.[/QUOTE]
No one does, sometimes it can be a real bitch getting them off it. Barricuda is actually quite nifty, they require the person who is using (not the provider) to register themselves with the subnet. As soon as they end up on the RBL again, they usually end up getting term'd.
It doesn't stop them from buying up /29s and /28s and shitting them up though.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;50448223]No one does, sometimes it can be a real bitch getting them off it. Barricuda is actually quite nifty, they require the person who is using (not the provider) to register themselves with the subnet. As soon as they end up on the RBL again, they usually end up getting term'd.
It doesn't stop them from buying up /29s and /28s and shitting them up though.[/QUOTE]
At the datacenter I used to work at we'd get calls from people wanting a some dedicated space with no contract and rotating IP's every 30 days.
Yeah... no.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50448500]At the datacenter I used to work at we'd get calls from people wanting a some dedicated space with no contract and rotating IP's every 30 days.
Yeah... no.[/QUOTE]
One of my favorites was someone who wanted a VPS with ~10 different IPs "for load balancing", so they could switch between them if they got blacklisted.
This explains a lot, ive been getting tons of spam this week. Googled to see if my screening for spam was turned off. Annoying as all hell, had to turn off notifications for new mail on my phone.
[QUOTE=Levelog;50448500]At the datacenter I used to work at we'd get calls from people wanting a some dedicated space with no contract and rotating IP's every 30 days.
Yeah... no.[/QUOTE]
I like it when they shit up their entire IP range, then demand us to give them a new range because they where blacklisted.
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