Liberal or Conservative? Why? - General

Which do you prefer? In your opinion, how would one be better for America? Why? [B]Liberals[/B] believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems. [B]Conservatives[/B] believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.

Conservative. I agree with their social standings and political views. (I am rare on Facepunch indeed)

[QUOTE=maximizer39v2;43060375]Conservative. I agree with their social standings and political views. (I am rare on Facepunch indeed)[/QUOTE] Well, I just registered (couldn't before cause registrations were closed) but I guess I'd be a rarity as well! I saw this subforum and couldn't help but to post in it!

Conservative social policy (gay marriage, contraception, etc.) will never make sense to me. I am fiscally conservative on some issues though. I don't understand why the Republican party has become so religious either.

Conservative, but I don't want to associate myself with the American Right anymore.

[QUOTE=Falubii;43060585]Conservative social policy (gay marriage, abortion, contraception, etc.) will never make sense to me. I am fiscally conservative on some issues though. I don't understand why the Republican party has become so religious either.[/QUOTE] The Republican party actually has a lot of good points I can get behind honestly. But its the shit like their strange stance on "gay marriage, abortion ect." that really ruin it. And it completely contradicts their goal of a small government. Honestly the government should have no say on any of that stuff, and it boggles my mind why republicans cling to not allowing them so much. Anyway, Conservative Neutral here.

Conservative, but it doesn't fucking matter anymore because the entirety of the government is now filled with a bunch of people fighting like children over things that don't even matter no matter which way you look.

I bet you're all considered communists by modern right wing standards.

Liberal. We should all be presented with equal opportunity regardless of the life we live that we keep to ourselves. I just wish our government wasn't so horribly put together. I think it's time we brought younger house members into play, since we still have old fashioned viewpoints from older house members in times of change. We really need to get over ourselves and stop acting like some of us are more righteous than others and instead just accept and appreciate our uniqueness.

Why can't I be both? I'm socially Liberal, but very economically Conservative. I believe that no-one has the right to judge others in society based on who they are or what they do on the grounds that morals are subjective and shouldn't be applied by law to the general populous. This also means that I support limited government and free market capitalism as I don't think the government should intervene in people's lives or the market if they can help themselves because who is the government to say what is right for me or anyone else? Sure, there are people who can't help themselves and the goverment should be there for them but only with the aim of raising them to a point where they can help themselves. It's important to mention that the OP only talks about a single type of Liberalism, called Modern Liberalism, which is more akin to Socialism than the original meaning of Liberalism, the original being Classical Liberalism which is essentially a form of Conservatism in itself. The only real difference between Liberals and Conservatives is that Liberals believe is Freedom from things and Conservatives believe in Freedom to do things.

Concervitive, only fiscally though. Let gays marry, all that shit, but let's still be capitalists

Conservative, I disagree with some policies, and think if the republicans stepped up and legalized gay marriage they'd gain quite a bit of popularity.

[QUOTE=Dr. Flame;43060909]Concervitive, only fiscally though. Let gays marry, all that shit, but let's still be capitalists[/QUOTE] You realise you can be capitalist and still enjoy liberal economic policies right? Fiscal conservatism has nothing to do with capitalist markets, they exist under both ends of the spectrum. A more liberal economic policy would impose certain restrictions on businesses, yes, but it wouldn't be the end of free market trade.

Fiscally conservative, Socially moderate. I believe people should pursue their own goals, live how they want, say what they want, believe what they want, etc. I also believe in some government regulation of the economy, to a point were the corporations aren't fucking people over, and people have equal opportunities to get ahead in life.

the funny thing is that, as a leftist, i would agree more with the basic statements made with conservatism. if conservatives actually stood for "personal responsibility", "limited government", "individual liberty", and "empowerment of the individual to solve problems", i would be on board. however, choosing between the two, i agree more with your description of conservatism [i]in principle[/i], but i agree more with liberalism [i]in practice[/i]. the republican party and modern conservatism does not believe in empowerment of individuals or limited government, it serves the elite. the democrats do this as well, but their strategy involves programs that help empower people(even if it's only a little bit); stuff like food stamps, welfare, infrastructure, government housing, etc.

Liberal. Because well, that's what I scored as in political quizzes. So I registered Democrat.

also it seems like everybody these days is "socially liberal, fiscally conservative". is this a fad or has it always been like this?

Although my religious views are different, I think that the government should legalize gay marriage. But my stance on abortion is pro-life.

liberal straight through, although this might be because i am optimistic youth.

Conservative...? Liberal...? Fuck I don't know anymore. "Socialized" Healthcare has more pros than cons, and realistically speaking, the money saved from not spending on crappy healthcare plans could be put towards spending on consumer products. All drugs should be legal. I should be able to own all types of firearms, and militias should be organized and recognized by state governments. Copyright/Patent laws are over-stretching and need to be limited. Fuck paper money, I want coins. Can I just say Capitalist? Please..? [editline]3rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;43061273]also it seems like everybody these days is "socially liberal, fiscally conservative". is this a fad or has it always been like this?[/QUOTE] Its basically people who want to be able to make choices for themselves, and not be fucked in the ass constantly by the government.

[QUOTE=Oizen;43060621]The Republican party actually has a lot of good points I can get behind honestly. But its the shit like their strange stance on "gay marriage, abortion ect." that really ruin it. And it completely contradicts their goal of a small government. Honestly the government should have no say on any of that stuff, and it boggles my mind why republicans cling to not allowing them so much. Anyway, Conservative Neutral here.[/QUOTE] Well, to me, I think it's not so much the Republican party, but the Conservatives within. Typically your religion comes from the Conservatives and not just "standard" republicans

[QUOTE=mntwins7;43060270]Which do you prefer? In your opinion, how would one be better for America? Why? [B]Liberals[/B] believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems. [B]Conservatives[/B] believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.[/QUOTE] So Libertarianism not added to the list huh?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43061389]Conservative...? Liberal...? Fuck I don't know anymore. "Socialized" Healthcare has more pros than cons, and realistically speaking, the money saved from not spending on crappy healthcare plans could be put towards spending on consumer products. All drugs should be legal. I should be able to own all types of firearms, and militias should be organized and recognized by state governments. Copyright/Patent laws are over-stretching and need to be limited. Fuck paper money, I want coins. Can I just say Capitalist? Please..? [editline]3rd December 2013[/editline] Its basically people who want to be able to make choices for themselves, and not be fucked in the ass constantly by the government.[/QUOTE] I agree with you on everything but the drugs. Obviously some drugs should be legalized, but not all. And I assume you mean only recreational drugs.

[QUOTE=varg666;43061436]So Libertarianism not added to the list huh?[/QUOTE] Well, this is just a basis. All classes welcome. I love the libertarians!

[QUOTE=mntwins7;43061521]Well, this is just a basis. All classes welcome. I love the libertarians![/QUOTE] Just wondering ;).

[QUOTE=maximizer39v2;43061517]I agree with you on everything but the drugs. Obviously some drugs should be legalized, but not all. And I assume you mean only recreational drugs.[/QUOTE] Drugs like heroin, cocaine, marijuana, and some really regulated form of meth. The reason I say this is because you cannot win a war against drugs, and the outstanding amount of finances spent on trying to fight a war could be better spent on proper drug education which doesn't make drugs look like some sort of rebellious thing to do, but rather something mature adults can do on their free time so long as they can finance their habits while keeping their loved ones happy. The amount of money saved by not sending thousands of addicts to jail would be otherwise put into proper rehab centers, and in certain cases, the less petty-criminals in our jail system the more space we have to put in criminals like murderers, rapist, and child molesters.

Conservative. There's just a lot of liberal views that I don't agree with, such as taxing wealthy people more just because they make more money. Theoretically speaking, let's say taxes are 10%. Person A makes $15,000/month and Person B makes $2,000/month. Right off the bat, Person A is paying more [I]just because he makes more money[/I] because 10% of $15,000 is more than 10% of $2,000. Why would it make sense to tax Person A a higher percent even though he's already paying more as it is?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43061273]also it seems like everybody these days is "socially liberal, fiscally conservative". is this a fad or has it always been like this?[/QUOTE] Being libertarian is seen as the "smart, level-headed alternative to party politics" I fell for it for a while until I realized Libertarians weren't as socially liberal as they let on and economics are more tied to social issues than they'd like you to believe. I do find it interesting how these people will still call themselves conservative despite only being that fiscally. I guess that's a sad example of how money is more important than civil rights to some people.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43061389]Its basically people who want to be able to make choices for themselves, and not be fucked in the ass constantly by the government.[/QUOTE] i agree with that principle which is why i am "fiscally socialist"(if that even means anything) and "socially libertarian". i value freedom, but i don't think that fiscal conservatism is tyrannical, and social liberalism is limited.

[QUOTE=maximizer39v2;43060375]Conservative. [B]I agree with their social standings[/B][/QUOTE] So do you agree with their stance on, say, LBGT rights? Just curious [editline]e[/editline] whoops didnt see that you already addressed that [editline]e[/editline] So what conservative social platforms do you agree with?