[QUOTE=RichyZ;48225020]Fucking SJW shills the BBC are, fatpeoplehate and coontown are far from vile content.[/QUOTE]
How dare they silence us, we need a platform to tell the world how much we hate [insert anyone who isn't a white straight dude here]!
[img]http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/A296/production/_84322614_image1.jpg[/img]
I always picture some BBC reporter leaning over his workdesk to take an angled picture of a website for his article.
I really don't understand how Reddit management can be this incompetent.
After measures like these, [I]both[/I] the social justice and the libertarian faction hate them. They obviously can't placate both groups. Why do they keep trying to make these compromises?
I doubt it's going to hurt them as much as the news coverage would imply in the end as the group of Reddit users who don't give a shit about site politics is probably far larger, but they wouldn't have cared if Reddit had just stuck to one side either.
Reddit is a disgusting place.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48225027]How dare they silence us, we need a platform to tell the world how much we hate [insert anyone who isn't a white straight dude here]![/QUOTE]
This constant antagonizing tone of the problem must be hidden away or silenced rather than solved is why people like you get called an SJW.
TBH, his content talk seemed fair. The only thing that iffed me was his response to SRS harassment, which he completely ignored and changed the subject. If were going to be removing and hiding vile content then start with the largest harassment community on reddit. Just because reddit admins are mods on it doesn't make it okay.
I don't see whats so bad about this policy? You have to login to view self-proclaimed racist or fucked up subreddits? Seems like something that doesn't do any harm.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48225027][insert anyone who isn't a white straight dude here]![/QUOTE]
I like how you get offended by Sjw but keep complaining about white dudebros. I had a good laugh when you told me to check my white privilege in some discussion about the confederacy.
Shame I wasn't white.
[QUOTE=mooman1080;48225959]This constant antagonizing tone of the problem must be hidden away or silenced rather than solved is why people like you get called an SJW.[/QUOTE]
Your point?
Many social justice people are pretty open about safe spaces and no platform being central to their ideology. They don't like the term "SJW" because it's used as an insult, not because of what it describes.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48226028]I don't see whats so bad about this policy? You have to login to view self-proclaimed racist or fucked up subreddits? Seems like something that doesn't do any harm.
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yea, I don't get it. its not like they'll see who frequents fatpeoplehate and shadowban them or anything. its harmless. a lot better than just banning them.
This isn't a bad idea, especially when compared to the other crap they tried.
I wonder if /r/beatingwomen2 will stay up.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;48226041]Your point?
Many social justice people are pretty open about safe spaces and no platform being central to their ideology. They don't like the term "SJW" because it's used as an insult, not because of what it describes.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't a "safe space" constitute hiding the problem away? Are the people who participate in such subreddits allowed to discuss with in the "safe space?"
Sounds to me they would feel excluded and unwanted from such a space at the get go. My point is too many people like asteroidrules burn too many bridges to solve any real problems. Do people who set up such save spaces ever call out such hostile people like asteroidrules from just breeding more disdain and hate? As an outsider I can't speak for what goes on but I can tell you right now it doesn't give the image of policing the hostile members.
[QUOTE=mooman1080;48226276]Wouldn't a "safe space" constitute hiding the problem away? Are the people who participate in such subreddits allowed to discuss with in the "safe space?"
Sounds to me they would feel excluded and unwanted from such a space at the get go.[/QUOTE]
Safespace always ends up becoming "No disagreeing with us".
[QUOTE=mooman1080;48226276]Wouldn't a "safe space" constitute hiding the problem away? Are the people who participate in such subreddits allowed to discuss with in the "safe space?"
Sounds to me they would feel excluded and unwanted from such a space at the get go.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly the point of a safe space. Excluding people who make others in the space feel unsafe.
And while the term can be used for any group, typically the people kept safe are minorities/women.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;48226293]That is exactly the point of a safe space. Excluding people who make others in the space feel unsafe.
And while the term can be used for any group, typically the people kept safe are minorities/women.[/QUOTE]
Then that doesn't solve problems. I'd even go so far as to say it helps breed more disdain and hate because of this exclusion and the hostile tone some take towards the excluded people.
I understand that there may be people who have emotional trauma, but that's also the thing, hiding the person from that that distresses them doesn't solve that problem of their emotional trauma either, what does solve it is learning to live with your problems and lessen the effect they have on you.
I can see the value in a safe space for when things can become too much but I worry that they are too over valued and used as gated communities. You don't solve problems by hiding from them, neither does censoring them, the way you solve problems is through discussion and discourse.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;48225102]I really don't understand how Reddit management can be this incompetent.
After measures like these, [I]both[/I] the social justice and the libertarian faction hate them. They obviously can't placate both groups. Why do they keep trying to make these compromises?
I doubt it's going to hurt them as much as the news coverage would imply in the end as the group of Reddit users who don't give a shit about site politics is probably far larger, but they wouldn't have cared if Reddit had just stuck to one side either.[/QUOTE]
People who think this is about "social justice" are clueless.
Its about appeasing advertisers to keep enough cash rolling in to fund the site, and to keep celebrities flocking to the site for AMAs. That's it. They don't give two shits about SJWs or libertarians
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48226332]People who think this is about "social justice" are clueless.
Its about appeasing advertisers to keep enough cash rolling in to fund the site, and to keep celebrities flocking to the site for AMAs. That's it. They don't give two shits about SJWs or libertarians[/QUOTE]
Then why not ban "problematic" subs entirely? Given they want to stop putting ads on those.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48226028]Shame I wasn't white.[/QUOTE]
Are you white now?
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48226832]Are you white now?[/QUOTE]
He sure is. He knows his place, if starlight calls him white he must be white.
Starlight knows his shit, he can know when a white is pretending to be a nonwhite.
He has a privilege radar
Not sure why this gets an "ehh" pass, while banning subreddits for harassment resulted in /r/all with pictures of Pao shopped onto porn for half a week.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;48226041]Your point?
Many social justice people are pretty open about safe spaces and no platform being central to their ideology. They don't like the term "SJW" because it's used as an insult, not because of what it describes.[/QUOTE]
It's funny because those people used to basically rally under that label.
Not wanting a website to allow stuff like /r/beatingwomen and /r/picsofdeadkids = being SJW shitter
no that's called being a decent human being?
[editline]16th July 2015[/editline]
Am I getting this wrong or are people actually arguing for this to be allowed?
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48227359]Not wanting a website to allow stuff like /r/beatingwomen and /r/picsofdeadkids = being SJW shitter
no that's called being a decent human being?
[editline]16th July 2015[/editline]
Am I getting this wrong or are people actually arguing for this to be allowed?[/QUOTE]
Yes just like how everyone who didn't want sopa to go forward were pirates.
Considering recent events it is more than fair for reddit's users to qeustion what will and wont get hidden. It would be understandable if such subbreddits go hidden, you could play devil's advocate and apply the same arguments to why they shouldn't be but it's less of a gray area.
Consider a controversial subredit that isn't as blatantly foul as /r/beatingwomen, like /r/mensrights perhaps?
Opinions of that are so jaded that there are even users of this forum who probably are getting angry at me for saying mensrights isn't as inherently foul as beating women. Being that it isn't simply a shock value subreddit freedom of speech concerns are more "valid." Yet you can find two entirely different groups of people who say two entirety different things about what the subreddit is about, can you truly determine who is right? That's the grey area.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48227359]Not wanting a website to allow stuff like /r/beatingwomen and /r/picsofdeadkids = being SJW shitter
no that's called being a decent human being?
[editline]16th July 2015[/editline]
Am I getting this wrong or are people actually arguing for this to be allowed?[/QUOTE]
Considering their track record with abusing shadowbans, I don't think I'd trust the reddit administration with this, either.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48226028]
I like how you get offended by Sjw but keep complaining about white dudebros. I had a good laugh when you told me to check my white privilege in some discussion about the confederacy.
Shame I wasn't white.[/QUOTE]
a good rule of thumb that I've learned on facepunch is that if starlight doesn't rate your post dumb or reply to it with a complaint, then it's probably not a very good post.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48225027]How dare they silence us, we need a platform to tell the world how much we hate [insert anyone who isn't a white straight dude here]![/QUOTE]
No matter how hard you try, we're still not inviting you to the next Colored People Council meeting.
imagine labeling people who are against the promotion of bullying individuals and other races as SJW.
I'd rather have them take the 8chan stance of "if it's legal to have on our servers, it's allowed". Free speech comes at the cost of having to hear and see things you don't like.
If it's not on reddit, it'll be somewhere else.
Hope they finally remove srs
[QUOTE=Cold;48227158]Not sure why this gets an "ehh" pass, while banning subreddits for harassment resulted in /r/all with pictures of Pao shopped onto porn for half a week.[/QUOTE]
When Pao did it, she had no laid groundwork on what was harassment or not, and did it without warning.
Not only Steve Huffman has explained what harassment is on Reddit, but gave advanced notice of the removal, allowing communities who would be banned to back up everything for when they are kicked off the site.
If he had just banned several communities without giving notice before, and didn't define what qualifies a community to get banned or not, there would have been a massive backlash.
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