Don't these drones use universal wireless frequencies similar of things like remote phones? If it's a disaster zone, why not jam those frequencies and make them drop? Fuck your stupid flying go pro, people's lives are at stake.
I'm no radio technician or engineer, mind, but if it's feasible, do it.
Can't they get cops to shoot them down, a normal bullet should do the trick? If lives are at stake, and it's illegal, the owners of the drones will only have themselves to blame.
Although, I can't imagine they are easy to hit. A small object flying around in high speed. And since it's a fire, they'd have to shoot from a distance as well.
Easier method might be to jam the wireless communication with the drone and the controler.
[QUOTE=Sonador;48251708]Don't these drones use universal wireless frequencies similar of things like remote phones? If it's a disaster zone, why not jam those frequencies and make them drop? Fuck your stupid flying go pro, people's lives are at stake.
I'm no radio technician or engineer, mind, but if it's feasible, do it.[/QUOTE]
Today standard hobby radio is in 2.4GHz so basically WiFi.
Jamming any communication channel is not exactly good idea since somebody could be trying to specifically call for help and you might jam their only way of doing so.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48251770]Today standard hobby radio is in 2.4GHz so basically WiFi.
Jamming any communication channel is not exactly good idea since somebody could be trying to specifically call for help and you might jam their only way of doing so.[/QUOTE]
That's true, I wonder if they could obtain a specific list of channels that the drones operate on and just go after those.
[editline]20th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lord Fear;48251736]Can't they get cops to shoot them down, a normal bullet should do the trick? If lives are at stake, and it's illegal, the owners of the drones will only have themselves to blame.
Although, I can't imagine they are easy to hit. A small object flying around in high speed. And since it's a fire, they'd have to shoot from a distance as well.
Easier method might be to jam the wireless communication with the drone and the controler.[/QUOTE]
A decent idea, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they do to "remove" them. Then again, projectiles and sharpshooting are shitshows during major fires; the fires create chaotic local airsystems with their own winds and such.
I'd suggest bird shot and shotguns. At least that won't end up coming back down at lethal velocities and possibly kill people miles away. Plus you're more likely to hit it. I don't care how much your stupid drone costs, you're putting lives at risk shit lord.
[QUOTE=draugur;48251812]I'd suggest bird shot and shotguns. At least that won't end up coming back down at lethal velocities and possibly kill people miles away. Plus you're more likely to hit it. I don't care how much your stupid drone costs, you're putting lives at risk shit lord.[/QUOTE]
I feel like people with drones would just fly higher and faster to avoid shotguns.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;48251822]I feel like people with drones would just fly higher and faster to avoid shotguns.[/QUOTE]
Hence why they don't say they're doing it and just do. Fuck em, by the time anyone figures out they're doing it, a majority of the problem is solved and honestly those drones don't fly super high anyway. Plus they should start tracking and following the ones that end up too high to hit and then give the owner massive fines and arrest them for fucking with emergency efforts. I'm sure there's plenty of laws that cover that sort of thing.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;48251822]I feel like people with drones would just fly higher and faster to avoid shotguns.[/QUOTE]
We need police drones to intercept those drones.
[QUOTE=DMGaina;48251836]We need police drones to intercept those drones.[/QUOTE]
I'm imagining two drones with flashing red and blue lights, carrying a big fishing net to snag illegal drones :v:
[QUOTE=kaze4159;48251840]I'm imagining two drones with flashing red and blue lights, carrying a big fishing net to snag illegal drones :v:[/QUOTE]
add a taser in the mix and I'll buy 5
Seriously drones should come with a built in feature that respects restricted air space by simply disabling input and back tracing their flight path until they are close to their point of origin.
Or they just shut down and crash/land, I don't really care either way, fuck em.
[QUOTE=draugur;48251868]Seriously drones should come with a built in feature that respects restricted air space by simply disabling input and back tracing their flight path until they are close to their point of origin.
Or they just shut down and crash/land, I don't really care either way, fuck em.[/QUOTE]
Did a quadcopter kick your dog or something?
I think people just dont know that it could be hampering the firefighting, if more people knew then there would be less flying.
Right now people are just seeing something neat and getting some video of it.
There's something I don't get about this. If airplane engines are birdstrike-rated, titanium-edged steel blades, wouldn't that shred a drone? Is the concern just an overabundance of caution?
[QUOTE=draugur;48251868]Seriously drones should come with a built in feature that respects restricted air space by simply disabling input and back tracing their flight path until they are close to their point of origin.
Or they just shut down and crash/land, I don't really care either way, fuck em.[/QUOTE]
Because the Chinese receivers and controllers totally won't allow that to be Bypassable.
I'm on the fence on this one. On one side they could be complaining out of liability, on the other hand they would fuck a plane up harder than a regular bird strike. Either way I'm disappointed that so many awesome uses for taking birds eye shots of things are being banned or buttfucked by the police and FAA simply because of "what-if" scenarios.
These people are like those bikers you see speeding and weaving through traffic or doing "madd stuntz" in videos, they are breaking laws, being irresponsible and also ruining the reputation of the majority of people that use multirotors/drones who use them safely, just like for bikers or any other example of bad apples.
[QUOTE=DMGaina;48251836]We need police drones to intercept those drones.[/QUOTE]
We need good guys with drones to counter the bad guys with drones
[QUOTE=Cmx;48251939]Did a quadcopter kick your dog or something?
I think people just dont know that it could be hampering the firefighting, if more people knew then there would be less flying.
Right now people are just seeing something neat and getting some video of it.[/QUOTE]
No. I have a serious problem with idiots interfering with emergency services. This is a fire on a scale that very easily destroys millions of dollars in property, natural environment and countless lives of both people and animals.
[QUOTE=draugur;48252260]No. I have a serious problem with idiots interfering with emergency services. This is a fire on a scale that very easily destroys millions of dollars in property, natural environment and countless lives of both people and animals.[/QUOTE]
This guy has the right idea.
Insofar as drones and air vehicle strikes go, there's a lot to be considered. The primary reason helicopters are grounded, as I understand, is threefold:
First, Radiocommunication from the drones isn't documented well enough to know whether or not it may cause interference with the electric safety and radio communications of the air vehicles; this is why cell phones and electronic communications are banned during take off and landing of airplanes. It's highly unlikely, but that risk simply can't be taken until it's known and documented. With as many drones are out there, both commercially produced from many places and homemade with zero regulation, this may never be fully accomplished.
Second, drones are untested in aircraft strike scenarios. One might reasonably assume the aircraft can survive a drone strike like they could a bird strike, but there's a key factor. Drones aren't birds. They have things like steel and aluminum reinforcements as well has potentially explosive lithium-ion (or worse, lithium polymer) batteries that can become deadly projectiles if struck by aircraft, to the aircraft and its operators as well as emergency ground crews.
Third, it's obtusely stupid to clear aircraft to operate in conditions where strikes are not only possible, but very highly likely. It's tantamount to directly endangering the aircraft, operators, and emergency ground crews. Keep in mind: bird strikes also cause massive damage to aircraft; in the 90's there was a bird strike in New York that forced a commercial airliner to land in the Hudson River. Imagine that, but having to emergency land into a [I]blazing wildfire.[/I]
The risk is simply too great in this case. They're on the right track, education first, enforcement after. Once they've got the message loud and clear out there, I want to start seeing drone pilots that disobey this hit with massive fines or jail time; that's the line between being unaware and being deliberately malicious.
Aaaand this is why I am all for the regulation of anything that flies into controlled airspace. IMO if something has a camera attached to it (as these probably do) its no longer a simple RC model. It is a small plane.
[QUOTE=Sonador;48251708]Don't these drones use universal wireless frequencies similar of things like remote phones? If it's a disaster zone, why not jam those frequencies and make them drop? Fuck your stupid flying go pro, people's lives are at stake.
I'm no radio technician or engineer, mind, but if it's feasible, do it.[/QUOTE]
The problem is, a lot of them run on 2.4Ghz. If you jammed that you would cause a [B]lot[/B] more problems for the people trying to fight the fire.
[editline]20th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=draugur;48251868]Seriously drones should come with a built in feature that respects restricted air space by simply disabling input and back tracing their flight path until they are close to their point of origin.
Or they just shut down and crash/land, I don't really care either way, fuck em.[/QUOTE]
Most "drones" are actually hand built things, so you can't do anything to restrict them.
[QUOTE=Jsm;48252344]Aaaand this is why I am all for the regulation of anything that flies into controlled airspace. IMO if something has a camera attached to it (as these probably do) its no longer a simple RC model. It is a small plane.
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As someone who sees their potential in amateur cinematography, I'm full against any attempt to restrict them to certain people or certain locations.
On the other hand I'm fully supportive of applying penalties to people should their crafts result in property damage or an accident.
Turn on one of these for about a minute. No more drones c:
[t]http://www.bestjammers.com/picture/xlg15-lojack-jammer-4g-blocker-xm-radio-jammer.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=pentium;48252572]As someone who sees their potential in amateur cinematography, I'm full against any attempt to restrict them to certain people or certain locations.
On the other hand I'm fully supportive of applying penalties to people should their crafts result in property damage or an accident.[/QUOTE]
I personally think they should just be accountable, someone should be able to tell who owns / controls something that is flying around.
[QUOTE=woolio1;48252006]There's something I don't get about this. If airplane engines are birdstrike-rated, titanium-edged steel blades, wouldn't that shred a drone? Is the concern just an overabundance of caution?[/QUOTE]
Any hard object entering a helicopter's turbine engine will be devastating to the engine. It would destroy many of the components of the engine. Those things are made to have two things go through them: Fuel and air. If anything besides those two things are present on the inside of the engine, things fuck up.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;48252801]Any hard object entering a helicopter's turbine engine will be devastating to the engine. It would destroy many of the components of the engine. Those things are made to have two things go through them: Fuel and air. If anything besides those two things are present on the inside of the engine, things fuck up.[/QUOTE] And you've got to think about the lipo batteries, they are extremely dangerous if damaged.
[QUOTE=kaze4159;48251840]I'm imagining two drones with flashing red and blue lights, carrying a big fishing net to snag illegal drones :v:[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube_share;hk8_QomqSt4]http://youtu.be/hk8_QomqSt4[/video] it begins
[QUOTE=Corewarp3;48252596]Turn on one of these for about a minute. No more drones c:
[t]http://www.bestjammers.com/picture/xlg15-lojack-jammer-4g-blocker-xm-radio-jammer.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Eh, people would just make a flight plan, which require no inputs during flight.
[QUOTE=AGMadsAG;48261492]Eh, people would just make a flight plan, which require no inputs during flight.[/QUOTE]
W-What? You can do that? Holy shit.
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