Jeremy Corbyn defies critics and calls for calm over Russia - Polidicks

Jeremy Corbyn defies critics and calls for calm over Russia | Po.. Jeremy Corbyn has warned Theresa May not to “rush way ahead of the evidence” over the Salisbury poisoning, in what he called the “fevered” atmosphere of Westminster. Doubling down on the cautious stance that infuriated some of his backbenchers on Wednesday, Corbyn used an article in the Guardian to urge the government to take a “calm, measured” approach and work through international institutions. “This horrific event demands first of all the most thorough and painstaking criminal investigation, conducted by our police and security services,” he said. No embed for the Guardian, it seems

seems like he's just being a pedant more than anything else

If it's plainly obvious that only the Russians had access to the agent that was used, then we can't wait around and take ages to wait for an investigation to conclude - action has to be taken immediately to counter the fact that our own citizens were the target of an assassination attempt, and send a message to the Russians that we won't take this shit anymore

Well, he's right. Seems like something that didn't need to be said though. Hysterical media dogpiling and misrepresentation does this man no favours.

I'm convinced Corbyn just lives to be contrarian.

Well, What you expected in semi-mentally Two-Party nation within Anti-Establishment period in British history.

I totally agree with not rushing into things headlong without little forethought but at the same time I think calling for 'calm' over Russia and invoking McCarthyism kinda seriously downplays just how actively and belligerently Putin and his cronies have been interfering in the affairs of other nations of the last god knows how many years

I'm just convinced that Corbyn just lives to be a cunt. He's no better than the Tories half the time imo.

I like Corbyn in some ways, but now is not the time for calm. Russia's expansionist agenda has been undermining the US and Europe for a decade, and it's damn well time for the consequences catch up with them.

Corbyn in that pic kinda looks like the bosnian war criminal who drank poison

I mean look, you gotta be balanced, while nobody should jump in and point fingers, the evidence is too damning, and any delayed response is just gonna give Russia the upper hand, that the governments of the world don't take Russia seriously. Remember the radiation incident in 2006? The perpetrators were able to escape and hailed as heroes in Russia. The last thing you want is something similar to get away. Corbyn is just terrible when it comes to managing foreign policies, but he's alright on domestic affairs. Give credit where its due, and learn to see the pros and cons of both parties, don't just blindly go with labour because 'fuck tories those rich cunts' or go 'fuck labour they are socialist scums'

Corbyn is a man who gives too much rope. Enough to rappel down the cliff-face bordering their prison, rather than just enough to hang themselves.

I was also angry when I read the summary of what he said/wrote, but I would recommend that everyone gives it a good read. He makes some pretty good points (around how we've been strangely OK with Russian oligarchs doing business and funneling money through London) and is more harsh on Russia than the summaries would suggest.

This is pretty much how every Corbyn smear goes. He says a hell of a lot that couldn't possibly be condensed into a soundbyte in good faith, so you end up with 'Corbyn loves the IRA', 'Corbyn said Hamas are our friends', 'Corbyn said don't condemn Russia', which are all complete bastardisations of things he's said. It's rare and refreshing for a politician to recognise so much nuance, but it's also his downfall in the public eye. People want soundbytes and a proud looking suited Tory who can make you forget the NHS is about to collapse.

So pretty much from what I've gathered, he is simply calling for the government not to rush further than what the investigation has concluded. Which is reasonable, cool heads prevail. also gotta love the Daily Mail's sack load of crap take on it: https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/131EA/production/_100441387_1503dailymail.jpg

i imagine corbyn in the 1940's would have done better than the daily mail in the 40's, considering the daily mail fucking supported fascism

It's sad to see our country once again throwing process out the window in favor of hysteria. May has given nothing in terms of evidence other than that the Russians likely developed the nerve agent. Of course it probably WAS the Russians but there should be thorough investigations first before giant political ramification are undertaken like they are now instead of pandering to the emotional outcry. The second death has me suspicious whether that one was an opportunist way of getting rid of someone amid the chaos of the first attack, it really could have been anyone with a grudge.

See these two links: https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/87/en/ec87nat05_e_.pdf https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/87/en/UK_Statement_EC-87.pdf The UK investigators have positively identified the substance used as one of the Novichok agents. Being the only ones to have ever developed and produced these substances, it's overwhelmingly likely that Russia is behind this attack.

I get that, although whether it was the Russian Government directly or a 3rd party (we all know how well the Ruskies keep their weapons tightly locked up) is still in the air. There is no doubt that Putin holds responsibility in some form, but whether he or his administration ordered the killing is not clear. Their secret service with as much experience of this as they have, would seem strange that they would use an agent that is only traceable back to them directly.

I there's an absolute league of difference between an actual aerial invasion and bombardment by a hostile nation and an assassination attempt by someone of an unknown origin or motivation. personally, i do think it probably was Russia and aggressive diplomacy has been a long time coming in that regards, however until we know the full picture i don't see a reason to push any harder than further sanctions (although i 100% agree with Corbyn's demand to end Russian oligarch influence in this country)

I mean to be fair, it's not like Russia hasn't done like, 15 other bad things since the assassination. They deserve a good thrashing politically and economically now more than ever.

https://i.redd.it/gmulv4zb93m01.jpg wew

Nice bit of un-biased broadcasting from the beeb innit?

Original image vs BBC photoshop. Good to see my "TV licence" money being put to work https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/238785/8f13c389-409d-4d94-a93b-f0a9e57fad77/image.png

I don't know why they bothered since that's a very lenin style hat

Something needs to be done about the BBC's direction and bring them back down to earth.

Who is the boss of the BBC? Is it an appointment by the PM? Maybe it could be more autonomous like PBS to avoid bias. Also this article says Corbyn's response's making a rift in Labour, also has a bit about something like some people want to do with the Democrats A pro-Corbyn pressure group called Momentum has ballooned in size and influence within the party, Corbyn allies now hold the majority of seats on Labour’s powerful ruling body, and this year has started to see accusations of the party deselecting moderates in favor of so-called Corbynites. The deselection process allows local Labour party groups to replace the incumbent with a more radical alternative in time for the next election. The leader of a London council claimed she was forced out by left-wing bullies earlier this year, saying she was targeted by Momentum with “sexism, bullying, and undemocratic” behavior. More than 20 center-left councilors in the area were deselected or decided not to stand again, with Momentum candidates taking their places.

I knew from the second he started going with this angle during his initial remarks in Parliament that he was going to get dogpiled. And he was, but now by the media instead of just the Tories. I'm sure Corbyn must have seen this all coming too. I suppose at the end of the day when people want Russian heads to roll they're not looking for any hesitation or wavering in giving a decisive and unqualified retaliation. I feel like this is a PR misstep that Corbyn could have avoided. He should've recognized (and should recognize) that Russia has been evidently having their way with the western world for years now and should've took that into consideration when measuring his response. All in all, though, I think his is a very reasonable and well-meaning, if not a little tone-deaf, approach to the situation and shouldn't be denigrated to the extent it has been.

I would assume that the fear of having their budget sliced up even more by the Tories has them being forced to play it all out like this. It's not exactly a secret that the Tories dislike the existence of the BBC as it's yet another public service. But holding them to ransom like this gives them a great little propaganda platform. The BBC is still very trustworthy, so long as it's not something overly political right now at least.