Why don't we just have Sexism, Homophobia and Racism in our stories to create what would be a realistic world filled with interesting characters with vices and virtues rather then a fucking political correct utopia filled with someone's agenda of equality.
As I'm reading this article I can tell it's by one of those losers who thinks that any form of sexuality is bad. I can also tell he's a retard because he compliments Mass Effect 3's implementation of gay character's which was basically "abloo abloo my Husband is dead, hey listen to how I'm gay!" if he was comparing that writing to Dragon Age 2 then it would be totally justified because that boiled down to: "Hey Anders good job on the healing!" "I love you hawk let's make out". You may think that's a joke but you can stumble into a relationship with Anders (A womanizer who was turned gay for no reason what-so-ever other then to appeal to the LGBT crowd or fill Hepler's fantasies) by just being nice to him once or twice.
Oh and they bring up The Last of Us DLC which is great because I would sure love to spend 15$ to watch some underage girls make out and and the implications of spending money on that is totally not weird at all.
Reading articles like this reminds me why I started drinking.
so says the studio that designed a character that's literally a sex robot with a visible camel toe
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;44372959]Why don't we just have Sexism, Homophobia and Racism in our stories to create what would be a realistic world filled with interesting characters with vices and virtues rather then a fucking political correct utopia filled with someone's agenda of equality.
As I'm reading this article I can tell it's by one of those losers who thinks that any form of sexuality is bad. I can also tell he's a retard because he compliments Mass Effect 3's implementation of gay character's which was basically "abloo abloo my Husband is dead, hey listen to how I'm gay!" if he was comparing that writing to Dragon Age 2 then it would be totally justified because that boiled down to: "Hey Anders good job on the healing!" "I love you hawk let's make out". You may think that's a joke but you can stumble into a relationship with Anders (A womanizer who was turned gay for no reason what-so-ever other then to appeal to the LGBT crowd or fill Hepler's fantasies) by just being nice to him once or twice.
Oh and they bring up The Last of Us DLC which is great because I would sure love to spend 15$ to watch some underage girls make out and and the implications of spending money on that is totally not weird at all.
Reading articles like this reminds me why I started drinking.[/QUOTE]
Hell if you're a male character Anders comes on to you in the first conversation you have, and if you don't leap into his arms you get a large negative relationship point loss. You're options are "Yes Anders, bum me now!" "I've never thought about it but I need your cock!" and "No thanks, I'm not in to dudes." And if you let him down he acts like a pissy little bitch for the rest of the conversation.
In Dragon Age: Awakening I quite liked Anders, in Dragon Age 2 I was happy to stab my dagger in his back near the end of the game.
I think New Vegas did a damn good job of handling homosexual characters solely because the character extended beyond "THE GAY PERSON" and didn't make them want your same sex genitalia within five seconds of meeting you (or at all, making them not feel like they were shoe-horned in for the sole purpose of boning). And when they mentioned they're gay it was just a simple toss-away line, not a big deal, and not as in your face as ME3's Traynor orgasming over EDI's voice in your first conversation with her or Cortez listening to a recording going "I LOVE U STEVE I LOVE U STEVE I LOVE U STEVE".
Hell credit to Obsidian for having me not immediately be told Arcade was gay right off the bat, if it was Bioware it'd go "Hi I'm Arcade Israel Ganon and I like having dicks shoved into my bum! Do u liek me? YES [ ] NO [ ] MAYBE [ ]".
[QUOTE]RPS: Right now sexism gets the most vocal focus in the gaming industry, but that’s far from the only issue. Racism and homophobia are still without a doubt major problems that we need to tackle as well. What, in your opinion, is the next step there?[/QUOTE]
This are all NON-ISSUES. The major problem is making BAD AAA GAMES. Why don't you try to tacle that one?
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44373292]This are all NON-ISSUES. The major problem is making BAD AAA GAMES. Why don't you try to tacle that one?[/QUOTE]
Shhh, if they keep going on about how Racism and Homophobia are bad they'll feel intelligent because they'll finally have caught up with the rest of us and because all of the tumblrtards will agree with them.
Hi; I'm a gamer and people talking about sexism offends my delicate sensibilities. Please respect my wishes and don't mention anything that makes me uncomfortable in my presence, TIA.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;44373143]so says the studio that designed a character that's literally a sex robot with a visible camel toe[/QUOTE]
But don't you understand? That's progressive!
the best part about me3 is how Kaiden wasn't gay for Sheps in the first game but suddenly he is because bioware
It's sad how they went from Baldur's Gate to, well, this.
[quote]RPS: Like Penny Arcade, which at least seems to be trying now, even if its efforts are somewhat misguided.[/quote]
Is RPS still upset about the Penny Arcade's dickwolves comic?
If anything, it certainly showed that Modern Feminism/Social Justice is nothing more than a group of talentless bullies harrassing artists.
[quote]RPS: A lot of game studios are still predominately staffed by straight white men, which can sometimes lead to a fear of representing more diverse characters and ideas.[/quote]
"Remember kids, it's always the straight white man's fault !"
[QUOTE=Skyward;44373248]I think New Vegas did a damn good job of handling homosexual characters solely because the character extended beyond "THE GAY PERSON" and didn't make them want your same sex genitalia within five seconds of meeting you (or at all, making them not feel like they were shoe-horned in for the sole purpose of boning). And when they mentioned they're gay it was just a simple toss-away line, not a big deal, and not as in your face as ME3's Traynor orgasming over EDI's voice in your first conversation with her or Cortez listening to a recording going "I LOVE U STEVE I LOVE U STEVE I LOVE U STEVE".
Hell credit to Obsidian for having me not immediately be told Arcade was gay right off the bat, if it was Bioware it'd go "Hi I'm Arcade Israel Ganon and I like having dicks shoved into my bum! Do u liek me? YES [ ] NO [ ] MAYBE [ ]".[/QUOTE]
I think New Vegas did a better job of handling characters than Mass Effect [I]in general[/I]. For an RPG praised for its writing, I'm really surprised how shallow everyone in the Mass Effect universe is.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;44373817]I think New Vegas did a better job of handling characters than Mass Effect [I]in general[/I]. For an RPG praised for its writing, I'm really surprised how shallow everyone in the Mass Effect universe is.[/QUOTE]
That's thanks to Chris Avelone, a guy that loves video games and have worked on video games since forever. BioWare have a lot of writters that just weren't working out in other media because their work is shit.
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;44372959]
Oh and they bring up The Last of Us DLC which is great because I would sure love to spend 15$ to watch some underage girls make out and and the implications of spending money on that is totally not weird at all.[/QUOTE]
Well, I guess I should've played this DLC before I entered this thread.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44374006]BioWare have a lot of writters that just weren't working out in other media because their work is shit.[/QUOTE]
Oh boy. Back during the DA2 fiasco, /co/ would storytime Hepler's previous [url=http://www.amazon.com/M-I-T-H-Operation-Jennifer-Brandes-Hepler/dp/1582405158]piece of art[/url].
Holy shit was it bad.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;44373817]I think New Vegas did a better job of handling characters than Mass Effect [I]in general[/I]. For an RPG praised for its writing, I'm really surprised how shallow everyone in the Mass Effect universe is.[/QUOTE]
No question there, New Vegas is incredible. Chris Avellone's a legend.
Considering Mac Walters is working on ME4, I'm really skeptical.
how about bioware's writers learn to fucking write at all because all their gay characters are "HELLO I AM GENERIC GAY, PLEASE HAVE FUCK WITH ME"
there's an actual, fucking god honest dialogue option in ME3 that is paraphrased "I'm gay" or "I'm not gay".
[QUOTE=Untouch;44374636]how about bioware's writers learn to fucking write at all because all their gay characters are "HELLO I AM GENERIC GAY, PLEASE HAVE FUCK WITH ME"
there's an actual, fucking god honest dialogue option in ME3 that is paraphrased "I'm gay" or "I'm not gay".[/QUOTE]
If anything, the way bioware writes homosexual people is offensive.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;44373817]I think New Vegas did a better job of handling characters than Mass Effect [I]in general[/I]. For an RPG praised for its writing, I'm really surprised how shallow everyone in the Mass Effect universe is.[/QUOTE]
I've never understood the BioWare approach to their storytelling. Every one of their games has been aimed at being a heavily story focussed RPG but then they go and decide "Yeah, let's make the protagonist - the character that typically is the driving force of the plot and therefore needs clear motivations, background and emotions - a complete blank slate so that the player is left with nothing to really relate to in this world."
There are around two to three characters in the Mass Effect universe that I actually think are well written and that I really like, and none of them are Shepard.
If I ever get to make a game or publish any work of fiction for that matter I'll make sure every single character is a massive fucking prick to at least one other person so I can create a massive shitstorm all over the place because everyone would be offended by everyone else.
I still cannot understand why games get banned left and right when it contains nudity or sexuality, back in the days games were known for things young kids play in their free time so there is some sense there. But that was back in 2003...
Same thing for any other 'shocking' subject, if someone wants to make a deep evolving world then they should be free to add whatever they desire and having things as homophobia in a game (storywise) it would be a frightening plot element.
If you look at the modern games it is always the 'evil person/company with the their evil agenda of doom which will destroy the world! oooo!' in one way or another.
Look at Mortal Kombat 9 for fucks sake.
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[I]Nope, no problem here.[/I]
[QUOTE=The Stills;44374729]I've never understood the BioWare approach to their storytelling. Every one of their games has been aimed at being a heavily story focussed RPG but then they go and decide "Yeah, let's make the protagonist - the character that typically is the driving force of the plot and therefore needs clear motivations, background and emotions - a complete blank slate so that the player is left with nothing to really relate to in this world."
There are around two to three characters in the Mass Effect universe that I actually think are well written and that I really like, and none of them are Shepard.[/QUOTE]
Again, New Vegas comes to mind because the player character has an actual personality. Instead of abridged, binary choices when it comes to dialogue like Mass Effect, New Vegas gives the players all sorts of unique lines to choose from during conversations that basically lets them mold the courier into whatever kind of character they want to be.
The best part is that you can play a homosexual courier that it [i]doesn't come up in the main story at any point.[/i] It's atrocious that taking the gay route in Me3 will continuously hammer into you that Shepard is gay. Very very gay. You're reminded of this so much that it stops being a RPG and becomes I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry.
That's why I really dislike games like Me3 and Gone Home that have sexuality tie into the plot so much. (In the latter, it's the entire crux of it.) Because you're basically implying then that said characters are only characterized by their homosexuality. This is no different from writing a heterosexual character whose main trait is that he/she sleeps with shittons of people of the opposite sex. It's a really cynical approach to dealing with sexuality in games that it just comes off as if the writers are crying for attention because they're injecting big topics into places where it shouldn't really be an issue.
Again, New Vegas. You can count the gay characters in the game with your fingers. The closest any of them has coming to having being gay as being a prime character trait is Jimmy, and that's because he's a prostitute, flaunting his homosexuality is his [i]job[/i]. And he even he has a better character than anyone in Me3 and Gone Home and he's just a minor NPC.
I find it really sad how New Vegas has managed to deal with the big issues ailing the industry right now in amazing ways only for people to ignore it and gush over how incredible and well-handled said issues were in Me3 and Gone Home, which... kinda failed with them. I guess that's what happens when you spend all your money and manpower into garnering as much attention to your game and the subjects it handles as possible.
I'm tired and just typing whatever comes into my head so this post probably won't make any sense :v:
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;44374006]That's thanks to Chris Avelone, a guy that loves video games and have worked on video games since forever. BioWare have a lot of writters that just weren't working out in other media because their work is shit.[/QUOTE]
I think Avelone did a bit of writing but the main force behind New Vegas was Sawyer. Or I might be wrong and Sawyer only worked on the DLCs
[QUOTE=The Stills;44374729]I've never understood the BioWare approach to their storytelling. Every one of their games has been aimed at being a heavily story focussed RPG but then they go and decide "Yeah, let's make the protagonist - the character that typically is the driving force of the plot and therefore needs clear motivations, background and emotions - a complete blank slate so that the player is left with nothing to really relate to in this world."
There are around two to three characters in the Mass Effect universe that I actually think are well written and that I really like, and none of them are Shepard.[/QUOTE]
Kotor was the best written Bioware game because your character literally was a blank slate for most of the game, and you eventually found out that you were the person who tore the Jedi Order to shreds and brought the Republic to it's knees.
Of course even then Obsidian made Revan a more interesting character by implying he was trying to take over the Republic's worlds to protect them, that his campaign was slow because he deliberately avoided destroying industrial and military targets so he could use them once he had captured them.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;44373200]
In Dragon Age: Awakening I quite liked Anders, in Dragon Age 2 I was happy to stab my dagger in his back near the end of the game.[/QUOTE]
you hate crime committing homophobic scrumbag!
Everyone always wants more gay characters but what about Robophiliacs? Why are they thrown under the rug?
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;44375291]I think Avelone did a bit of writing but the main force behind New Vegas was Sawyer. Or I might be wrong and Sawyer only worked on the DLCs[/QUOTE]
One of the big flaws with Avellone is that he violently disagrees with some of the themes in Fallout and will do anything to get rid of them. He seems to dislike the concept of the wasteland recovering and flourishing over the years and would rather have a world where any vestige of kindness is cruelly crushed by the inherent savagery of humanity.
The Fallout bible literally existed to undo every optimistic thing in Fallout 2 and Lonesome Road was his last ditch attempt to screw the Mojave over by introducing the tunnelers, implying that they will eventually kill [i]everyone[/i]. Had it not been for the other writers, I would have imagined the guy would have gone full on George Lucas.
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;44375398]Everyone always wants more gay characters but what about Robophiliacs? Why are they thrown under the rug?[/QUOTE]
Well Joker IS fucking a robot in mass effect 3 so there's that.
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;44375398]Everyone always wants more gay characters but what about Robophiliacs? Why are they thrown under the rug?[/QUOTE]
Once again, New Vegas has you covered:
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