1/2 of the development time would be spent trying to find as many ways to shove Lightning into the game as possible.
No rush at all. In fact, forget you are even considering this or that FFVII exists at all.
.......17 years later I STILL feel burned because I fell for the hype and the game was a huge disappointment.
Horseshit. You've already made the game, just stick it on the engine 13 runs on already.
[QUOTE=SteakStyles;43961107]No rush at all. In fact, forget you are even considering this or that FFVII exists at all.
.......17 years later I STILL feel burned because I fell for the hype and the game was a huge disappointment.[/QUOTE]
Can we get a FF9 remake? I'd much prefer that. Or perhaps a proper FF6 remake. Maybe both?
a FF7 remake would be like one of the most risky remakes I can think of.
Everything can go wrong.
Plus they have to capture the same style and immersion and how would they do that?
So how would they made everyone look when you can count clouds fucking polygon count in like a minute?
Like FF7 looks fucking great because of awesome prerendered backgrounds, and they some how made the character models work.
I dont know how they would pull off that shit today.
Something that would be interesting would be the first Final Fantasy redone with full 3D graphics and shaders.
If they can port Birth By Sleep to the PS3, they already have quite a few assets from Crisis Core they can work with, even if not all of it is wholly accurate. But I can still see why remaking FF7 would be a bother; it's one thing to make a linear game like FF13, and 13-2 and 13-3 are more non-linear but suffer from other issues. FF7 isn't the biggest of the series but it's got a LOT of shit cram-packed into those three discs.
From all the dialogue, especially if they voice-act the majority of it, to likely making most major cutscenes akin to those in Crisis Core and Kingdom Hearts (where standing around and waving your lego block arms isn't applicable anymore), to recreating every single model if they don't reuse from Crisis Core, to all the various different towns, interiors, dungeons, areas, etc.
After the massive letdown of the PS1 re-release of FF6 (pointless shiny CG to get your hopes up, and then an SNES emulator with loading screens for 40+ hours), a proper FF6 remake would be welcomed more than another visit to the FF7 trough.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43961161]So how would they made everyone look when you can count clouds fucking polygon count in like a minute?
Like FF7 looks fucking great because of awesome prerendered backgrounds, and they some how made the character models work.[/QUOTE]
It worked because it was basically a translation of the small/chibi character sprites from FF6 into blocky 3D popeyes everywhere. Final Fantasy could reasonably still keep that disconnect back then, and it worked since the characters got more full-sized (if not still ugly) models in battles. I personally prefer modding in larger-sized characters on the PC version, but the animations look pretty funky as a result.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;43961212]If they can port Birth By Sleep to the PS3, they already have quite a few assets from Crisis Core they can work with, even if not all of it is wholly accurate. But I can still see why remaking FF7 would be a bother; it's one thing to make a linear game like FF13, and 13-2 and 13-3 are more non-linear but suffer from other issues. FF7 isn't the biggest of the series but it's got a LOT of shit cram-packed into those three discs.
From all the dialogue, especially if they voice-act the majority of it, to likely making most major cutscenes akin to those in Crisis Core and Kingdom Hearts (where standing around and waving your blocking arms isn't applicable anymore), to recreating every single model if they don't reuse from Crisis Core, to all the various different towns, interiors, dungeons, areas, etc.[/QUOTE]
You have to remember FF7 is squares like most loved and famous game.
They cant just like rush that shit.
It would have to be just as good as FF7 was on release, thats not easy at all.
Thats like asking why Valve cant just remake HL1, they have all the map layouts and story and everything, hell even an engine for it.
Sure Black Mesa Source is fucking fantastic, but its still not nearly as good as HL1.
Plus who says they would even use models? Like I said before, FF7 aesthetic is so good because of its limitations to that sexy pixely pre-rendered backgrounds.
Its got a unique style because it had to have a really good one to make a game like that look good at all.
Also why would you want them to even reuse assets? Thats lazy as fuck, thats missing the point of the remake and the point they are trying to make on why it would take so long.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43961309]Also why would you want them to even reuse assets? Thats lazy as fuck, thats missing the point of the remake and the point they are trying to make on why it would take so long.[/QUOTE]
It's not so much that I want them to, so much as it's Square-Enix. I admit I don't think an FF7 remake would reuse content from a PSP game, especially if it's made on the PS4, but I really don't have much faith in their consistency nowadays.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;43961382]It's not so much that I want them to, so much as it's Square-Enix. I admit I don't think an FF7 remake would reuse content from a PSP game, especially if it's made on the PS4, but I really don't have much faith in their consistency nowadays.[/QUOTE]
Normally id agree but this is fucking Squares like baby.
Plus when someone says this ""We already took nearly ten years to make the trilogy of Final Fantasy 13 games, ending with Lightning Returns. I think that a high-definition FF7 would be definitely comparable to that scale, an even bigger project maybe," he said. "It would probably take a lot longer than ten years, even if we ever do it. So that's what I am saying, I would have to have a complete and utter dedication to the project."
I think you can safely assume they would take a lot of care into it, especially if its predicted to take a decade.
Funny enough I'm replaying FF7 on the PC. with heavy modding I got it to run like this
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBCkLX_lMsQ[/MEDIA]
This as close as you can get to a full HD version. There is a roster of different playermodels and custom effects to choose from. There is also a whole overworld map revamp. Modders are constantly working on it though.
[QUOTE=Fish_poke;43961124]Can we get a FF9 remake? I'd much prefer that. Or perhaps a proper FF6 remake. Maybe both?[/QUOTE]
Yes please! Check out this "lost art" from ff9
[url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551612[/url]
I wouldn't be surprised if they released the full game in 'episodes' over the course of 5 years, sometime in the future.
No it would not you pretentious fucks-
And don't even think about shoving Lightnings face somewhere in there.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;43961110]Horseshit. You've already made the game, just stick it on the engine 13 runs on already.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah would could go wrong shoving one full stream of code into an engine that uses a completely different language?
[QUOTE=MaGGiFiXXX;43961655]No it would not you pretentious fucks-
And don't even think about shoving Lightnings face somewhere in there.[/QUOTE]
Nothing about this is pretentious, what the fuck are you even trying to say.
Why the fuck would lightning even come anywhere near FF7?
Are you just parroting words you hear others say?
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;43961593]Funny enough I'm replaying FF7 on the PC. with heavy modding I got it to run like this
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBCkLX_lMsQ[/MEDIA]
This as close as you can get to a full HD version. There is a roster of different playermodels and custom effects to choose from. There is also a whole overworld map revamp. Modders are constantly working on it though.
[/QUOTE]
Heh, that's my video :D
I just want full HD re-renders of the CG backgrounds. There are upscales for the PC version, and people working on remakes of them for "full" hd-quality backgrounds, but that's probably going to take years.
If square were to re-release their source files for that (I doubt they still have them, or that they ever will) that'd be great.
Oh, but we can shit out 3 XIII games right? They just don't want to do it, even though millions would buy it.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;43961593]
Yes please! Check out this "lost art" from ff9
[url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=551612[/url][/QUOTE]
Jesus that artwork is so bloody nice, the backgrounds look like they could have been drawn for a game released recently, let alone 2000. Its beautiful.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;43961593]Funny enough I'm replaying FF7 on the PC. with heavy modding I got it to run like this
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBCkLX_lMsQ[/MEDIA]
This as close as you can get to a full HD version. There is a roster of different playermodels and custom effects to choose from. There is also a whole overworld map revamp. Modders are constantly working on it though.[/QUOTE]
Personally I just modded my FF7 PC to have larger character models and the higher-quality models in combat without actually going full HD. Feels like how a PC port should properly be rather than having exactly the same, awkward graphics as the PS1 version. Now if only that 60 FPS battles mod ever gets completed...
[QUOTE=RikohZX;43962208]Personally I just modded my FF7 PC to have larger character models and the higher-quality models in combat without actually going full HD. Feels like how a PC port should properly be rather than having exactly the same, awkward graphics as the PS1 version. Now if only that 60 FPS battles mod ever gets completed...[/QUOTE]
Is their a link to that 60 fps battle mod status?
[QUOTE=orcywoo6;43961975]Jesus that artwork is so bloody nice, the backgrounds look like they could have been drawn for a game released recently, let alone 2000. Its beautiful.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/xPz5gxJ.jpg[/img]
100x agree
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[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;43962134]I forgot how much I fucking adore FFVII until this year after not playing it for 4-5 years. If you know how to utilize all of the game's elements, it's a near perfect game.
Seriously, I haven't played very many games that I've enjoyed more than Final Fantasy VII.[/QUOTE]
Funnily enough, in the game for PS1 and PC there's a character stat called magic defense.
[quote]The Magic Defense Bug is a bug in Final Fantasy VII, which is similar to the Evade Bug found in Final Fantasy VI. This bug prevents the Magic Defense stat of any armor equipped from being added to a character's Spirit stat, effectively making the Magic Defense of all armor worthless.
This was fixed in the 2012 PC re-release[/quote]
[url]http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Defense_Bug[/url]
"Final Fantasy 7 remake would make more money and be more enjoyable than FF13 trilogy combined" says everyone else.
Seriously how delusional can he be.
I think one of the reason's they're so hesitant to remake FF7 is that regardless of what they do there will be two outcomes. It will either never live up to the hype of what FF7 fans wanted from the remake of their holy grail of JRPGs, or it will be even more engraved as "The best Final Fantasy of all time" and every Final fantasy after the remake will be compared to it even more than they are now, thus hurting potential future FF titles, because why bother make a new game when all the fans think anything not FF7 is shit.
I wonder whats going on with Square Enix.
They used to love making money off FF7, why avoid this remake, especially when 7 is their most popular title.
and its pretty much garunteed to be a big seller, they don't even have to write a scrpit. They could really just take the same game, update the graphics and fix the glitches and people would love it.
I mean people are already saying they'd buy it, myself included.
What I personally don't get is they spent a fuck load of resources on FF7 prequels and sequels, FF7, Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, Before Crisis, Last Order, Advent Children complete and an audiobook from the perspective of each party member, why complain now about time and effort?
[editline]18th February 2014[/editline]
Also if any of you are replaying/plan on replaying here's a site with a bunch of great mods and what not. There's detailed tutorials too as modding FFVII is buckets of annoying.
[url]http://forums.qhimm.com/[/url]
There is no way a remake of a dated and [I]very[/I] linear, "turn based" (more like active time bar or whatever) jrpg that's been outclassed by tons of other JRPG's released afterwards (SMT series anyone?) would take that long to make. Pretty sure Mass Effect 1 costed more than it would cost.
It's hilarious how people try to keep FF7 and Cloud relevant, especially since Cloud has no character depth at all compared to modern video games. Unless the remake is a reimagining with greatly changed dialogue and more fleshed out characters, and a new battle system (the modern mainstream gamer isn't gonna like the active time bar and grinding).
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