At the moment my current CPU is preforming very badly and I've been saving up for a new one for some time. I've finally got enough (£250) to buy a CPU and I think I've found the right one. It's [URL="http://www.ebuyer.com/538278-amd-fx-9590-4-7ghz-socket-am3-8mb-l3-cache-retail-boxed-processor-fd9590fhhkwof"]this.[/URL]
I don't know much about PC building and what I wanted to ask was how would I know if the CPU is compatible with my motherboard? Or if so can anyone suggest a better (has to be AMD) CPU that I could purchase?
[B]SPECS if you need em'.[/B]
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[B]Motherboard info aswell:[/B]
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I know that I have overheating with the CPU even when the PC isn't running any games but this is an issue I've tried to fix for over a month now and I think I just need a new one. Feel free to rate dumb because PC building or anything to do with the components inside a PC is an alien subject to me. If anyone needs any more info on the CPU or specs or w/e just ask and I'll post.
If you're having overheating problems [I]now[/I], I fail to see how replacing the CPU with one that has more than twice the heat output would fix the issue.
Just get a better heatsink like a Hyper 212 for $25-30.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;46264562]If you're having overheating problems [I]now[/I], I fail to see how replacing the CPU with one that has more than twice the heat output would fix the issue.
Just get a better heatsink like a Hyper 212 for $25-30.[/QUOTE]
The heatsink is the fan, yes?
[QUOTE=Synavix;46264582]The heatsink is the fan, yes?[/QUOTE]
The metal finned thing with the fan attached. They cool the CPU.
AMD tends not to make particularly good stock heatsinks but your issue right now is probably either:
1. Your heatsink is not well-attached to the CPU (the heatsink must be rather well-secured and with a little dab of fresh thermal paste between the CPU and heatsink, see Youtube tutorials although a lot of heatsinks just plain come with preapplied thermal paste).
2. your CPU itself has temperature monitoring issues (less common but if your temperature readings show up erratically or nonsensically it is known to occasionally happen)
3. Your heatsink fan is either plugged into the wrong socket on the motherboard or not spinning up right (it can happen, if the fan spins up with an audible whir as the CPU gets hotter it is working correctly)
While CPUs themselves occasionally cause overheating issues, it is rare compared to issues with the gigantic metal block attached to the CPU that's meant to cool it.
1 and 3 sound very likely, actually. The second one isn't a problem as I've been monitoring the temperature while playing games and if I run something like the new Alien Isolation it will go to 90 degrees and the game's FPS would just die.
Thanks for the replies and I have more questions if it's not a bother, but, I have a friend who is good with things inside the PC and stuff so should I let him check if the heatsink fan is plugged into the wrong socket or just do it myself now?
Typically if your computer makes that telltale whooshing noise for a second when you turn it on and dies back down then everything is working fine on the fan end, but if you're running something similar to this:
[t]http://images.pugetsystems.com/images/pic_disp.php?id=18661&width=800&height=800[/t]
Sometimes they don't go on correctly (tug on the the metal piece underneath the fan a little to see if it moves just to make sure) or just plain old need better thermal paste. At idle, even with the stock cooler you should be getting around 30-50C realistically speaking if everything was applied right.
Otherwise, you might have to pick up a tube of thermal paste from the local computer shop and follow a youtube tutorial to reapply the heatsink yourself (it is a simple process), or just pick up a new heatsink because those are inexpensive, make a drastic difference come with their own tube of thermal paste.
All the heatsink (big metal finned bit) does is stick on the CPU with a thin layer of thermal paste and transfer heat to the fins, at which point the fan blows air between the fins to help dissipate the heat into the air inside the computer case.
Thus, most issues with heat in computers tend to be heatsink / fan problems, whether it be fan stoppage, blockage of the fins or just plain not being attached right.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;46264707]Typically if your computer makes that telltale whooshing noise when you turn it on and dies back down then everything is working fine on the fan end, but if you're running something similar to this:
[t]http://images.pugetsystems.com/images/pic_disp.php?id=18661&width=800&height=800[/t]
Sometimes they don't go on correctly (tug on the the metal piece underneath the fan a little to see if it moves just to make sure) or just plain old need better thermal paste. At idle, even with the stock cooler you should be getting around 30-50C realistically speaking if everything was applied right.
Otherwise, you might have to pick up a tube of thermal paste from the local computer shop and follow a youtube tutorial to reapply the heatsink yourself (it is a simple process), or just pick up a new heatsink because those are inexpensive, make a drastic difference come with their own tube of thermal paste.
All the heatsink (big metal finned bit) does is stick on the CPU with a thin layer of thermal paste and transfer heat to the fins, at which point the fan blows air between the fins to help dissipate the heat into the computer case by convection.
Thus, most issues with heat in computers tend to be heatsink / fan problems, whether it be fan stoppage, blockage of the fins or just plain not being attached right.[/QUOTE]
I'll have to go buy some thermal paste tomorrow and watch some youtube videos on heatsinks and stuff. Thankyou a bunch, this has really helped. I've posted this to too many forums and got absolute shit like having to buy a new CPU because the one I have probably melted.
Just follow these basic steps to make doing it easier:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzZQgJDyzGI[/media]
1. Follow this video backwards from the end (unplug the fan cable, unlatch the heatsink etc up to the point where he takes the heatsink off, set it aside)
2. Wipe the bottom of the heatsink as well as the metal top of the CPU off with a paper towel or tissue, preferably with a little bit of isopropyl alcohol applied to the paper towel to get the old residue off but it's not too necessary
3. Apply like, this much thermal paste on the CPU (it'll spread all over once you put the heatsink back on). You don't need too much.
[img]http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/201206/installAM3HSF_3.jpg[/img][img]http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/201110/installFM1_5112.jpg[/img]
4. Follow the video instructions to put the heatsink back on and plug the fan cable back in
[QUOTE=Synavix;46264743]I'll have to go buy some thermal paste tomorrow and watch some youtube videos on heatsinks and stuff. Thankyou a bunch, this has really helped. I've posted this to too many forums and got absolute shit like having to buy a new CPU because the one I have probably melted.[/QUOTE]
So far, from experience, the Coolermaster V8 has been a great heatsink for doing CPU intensive things like gaming and video rendering. Although the price tag may be a bit high for a heatsink, I haven't had to worry about overheating during the 4 years I've owned it.
If you're on a tight budget, the Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212 is also good.
Your CPU seems to be dangerously overheating and as such it's underclocking itself to prevent damage. This can happen for a variety of reason: built up dust could be clogged in the heatsink and needs to be removed; something could be obstructing the cooler fan preventing it from spining (like a wire); there's not enough airflow in the case...etc.
Also if you play games then your Athlon x4 750k will limit you in processor intensive games. Upgrading to a new CPU in order to fulfill that demand is a pretty viable option. You should stay away from an AMD-FX CPU at all costs.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;46264803]So far, from experience, the Coolermaster V8 has been a great heatsink for doing CPU intensive things like gaming and video rendering. Although the price tag may be a bit high for a heatsink, I haven't had to worry about overheating during the 4 years I've owned it.
If you're on a tight budget, the Cooler Master Hyper Evo 212 is also good.[/QUOTE]
The Coolermaster V8 is something I don't recommend since you can get better for much less. If you're not overclocking then anything above a Hyper 212 EVO is just a waste. If you want the best performing air cooler for overclocking then the Phantek PH-TC14PE is pretty much what you should go for.
[QUOTE=Triot;46266858]Your CPU seems to be dangerously overheating and as such it's underclocking itself to prevent damage. This can happen for a variety of reason: built up dust could be clogged in the heatsink and needs to be removed; something could be obstructing the cooler fan preventing it from spining (like a wire); there's not enough airflow in the case...etc.
Also if you play games then your Athlon x4 750k will limit you in processor intensive games. Upgrading to a new CPU in order to fulfill that demand is a pretty viable option. You should stay away from an AMD-FX CPU at all costs.
The Coolermaster V8 is something I don't recommend since you can get better for much less. If you're not overclocking then anything above a Hyper 212 EVO is just a waste. If you want the best performing air cooler for overclocking then the Phantek PH-TC14PE is pretty much what you should go for.[/QUOTE]
I opened up my PC this morning and had a look around the heatsink and as I opened it before and cleaned the dust thoroughly off it, it's not dust problems but I did notice that I could move the heatsink around and it would easily lodge off. This is probably the problem, yes?
[QUOTE=Synavix;46267998]I opened up my PC this morning and had a look around the heatsink and as I opened it before and cleaned the dust thoroughly off it, it's not dust problems but I did notice that I could move the heatsink around and it would easily lodge off. This is probably the problem, yes?[/QUOTE]
If it's not fully seated then it's likely that the heat from the processor is not being dissipated properly to the heatsink. This will cause the processor to overheat.
What do you exactly mean by 'lodging off' and to what extent is it doing so? See and make sure that the heatsink latch is fully secured.
This has really confused me. I've secured the heatsink, got the correct screws for it and reapplied some thermal paste onto the CPU. Cleaned off all dust and everything looked great once I finished. I start up my PC and I'm still getting 70 degrees temperature..
Is it a gradual climb to 70C (fan problem) or does it just jump to 70C (heatsink attachment / temp sensor problem)?
The heatsink shouldn't wiggle [I]at all[/I] if you attached it properly and tug on it, if you remove it there should be a layer of thermal paste that looks kinda like this:
[t]http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=146626&d=1270184935[/t]
If there isn't, it means your heatsink isn't making proper contact and could be the result of a loose heatsink socket (plastic thing around the heatsink that it attaches to). Make sure that's reasonably snug too.
The bottom of your heatsink as well as the air coming off of it should be lukewarm-warm / not cold if it's attached properly, as well. Does the fan spin up more with a whooshing noise as the CPU gets hotter?
If you can confirm that the fan is indeed spinning up and the heatsink is attached nicely:
- check a different program for temperatures ([URL="http://www.aida64.com/downloads"]AIDA64[/URL] / AMD Overdrive, for example) to make sure
- you might just have faulty temperature sensors (which would be covered by warranty from AMD)
(Now, if the air coming off of the heatsink is [I]really warm[/I] and the fan's going berserk, that's a different problem.)
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;46270479]Is it a gradual climb to 70C (fan problem) or does it just jump to 70C (heatsink attachment / temp sensor problem)?
The heatsink shouldn't wiggle [I]at all[/I] if you attached it properly and tug on it, if you remove it there should be a layer of thermal paste that looks kinda like this:
[t]http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=146626&d=1270184935[/t]
If there isn't, it means your heatsink isn't making proper contact and could be the result of a loose heatsink socket (plastic thing around the heatsink that it attaches to). Make sure that's reasonably snug too.
The bottom of your heatsink as well as the air coming off of it should be lukewarm-warm / not cold if it's attached properly, as well. Does the fan spin up more with a whooshing noise as the CPU gets hotter?
If you can confirm that the fan is indeed spinning up and the heatsink is attached nicely:
- check a different program for temperatures ([URL="http://www.aida64.com/downloads"]AIDA64[/URL] / AMD Overdrive, for example) to make sure
- you might just have faulty temperature sensors (which would be covered by warranty from AMD)
(Now, if the air coming off of the heatsink is [I]really warm[/I] and the fan's going berserk, that's a different problem.)[/QUOTE]
The temperature just jumps to 70C, but my heatsink is very well attached as this time it's actually screwed on and the fan spins normally when the PC is turned on. I'll try these applications to see if they show different readings and post back in a bit. c:
It could bbe it's sustained enough damage from temps at this point that it's degraded
My CPU was great when I first got it. Now I cant run half of my games and load times for certain games are just too long.
Also, AMD Overdrive is saying it's on 50C but keeps jumping up to 60C and sometimes 70C..
How long have you had that CPU?
[QUOTE=Sodisna;46272157]How long have you had that CPU?[/QUOTE]
I got this PC with the CPU last Christmas. So, Christmas 2013.
The reason APUs suffer from terrible overheating is because they come with this trashy thing:
[thumb]http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/2043/trinity-apu-hsf.jpg[/thumb]
All APUs come with some variant of this heatsink (including the APUs without IGPs like the 750k/760k.) The 100W TDP parts will come with the heatsink pictured while the 65W and under will come with a half-height version of this heatsink with the same fan.
It literally weighs as much as a few sheets of printer paper and the fan sounds like a 10k RPM SCSI hard drive (ie. loud and very annoying.) Further exacerbating the inadequacy of the cooler is the grey "thermal paste" pre-applied to the bottom. It's more of an insulator than a heat conductor as it doesn't melt properly.
This heatsink is so bad that it cannot even cool a 35W laptop processor safely. I tested it with a Turion 64 ML-34 on a 754 board and the thing would overheat within minutes under full load. And AMD expects them to work with a 100W TDP rated processor, lmao.
If you can source an OEM AMD heatsink made for the 939/AM2/AM3 socketed processors that have heatpipes, they work vastly better with this processor. IE. the one posted farther up the page:
[thumb]http://images.pugetsystems.com/images/pic_disp.php?id=18661&width=800&height=800[/thumb]
If you want to spend a bit more coin, a Zalman CNPS5X or Hyper TX3 is more than adequate. A Hyper212 is quite ridiculous overkill for a 750k, even overclocked.
I guess it didn't really come to me that a manufacturer would ship a CPU with a heatsink that makes it borderline-overheat all the time but after just setting up my AMD file server yesterday I think I understand the issue more clearly now.
Constant 60-70C temps on a weeny little X2 340 every day (even with fresh thermal paste after the stock... stuff was scraped off) [I]just[/I] processing torrents. [B]Why, AMD[/B].
(In this case, as mentioned in Gigabite's post, upgrading your CPU heatsink to anything even marginally better would probably help. Hell, the stock heatsink doesn't even seem to make contact with all of the CPU surface.)
Garbage OEM heatsinks isn't anything new, it dates WAY back to the socket 478 (Intel) and the socket 462 (AMD.)
When those sockets came out was about the time the TDP and power draw of CPUs exploded out of control. CPU TDPs went from 20-30W to 60-70W and then up to 130W within the span of just a few years and neither company tried to do anything about the problem.
In fact, heatsinks just got worse over time, especially from Intel. They went from a solid clamping design on the 478 to the shitty and terrible fragile through hole push pins. Then they removed the fan shroud so the fan doesn't actually move air through the heatsink anymore.
At least AMD has some consistency. Sockets 462, 370 and 7 heatsinks were all forwards and backwards compatible. And every heatsink from the sockets 754, 939, AM1, AM2, AM3, AM3+, FM1, FM2, AM1 are all inter compatible
I have 250 pounds to spend on a new heatsink, processor and motherboard if I'm wanting to get an intel CPU to fit as my current motherboard doesn't fit intel and is small as fuck.
I looked at the Hyper TX3 and it looks perfect. Any ideas for CPUs or motherboards then I can probably mark this tread as solved? I'll have £230 left if I buy the TX3.
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