$300 for a device that a good many people in the US can't even use because their ISP won't allow them to use non-ISP supplied modems that may cost a monthly/yearly fee on top of your service already. Lol okay. I'll just toss my money in the trash and save us all the trouble of having to manufacture and ship the product.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51829510]$300 for a device that a good many people in the US can't even use because their ISP won't allow them to use non-ISP supplied modems that may cost a monthly/yearly fee on top of your service already. Lol okay. I'll just toss my money in the trash and save us all the trouble of having to manufacture and ship the product.[/QUOTE]
America's not the world.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51829510]$300 for a device that a good many people in the US can't even use because their ISP won't allow them to use non-ISP supplied modems that may cost a monthly/yearly fee on top of your service already. Lol okay. I'll just toss my money in the trash and save us all the trouble of having to manufacture and ship the product.[/QUOTE]
What if i dont live in the USA mate?
If you have DSL you do not need a router this powerful.
If you have DSL, you probably shouldn't even have more than one computer connected to it at a time.
[QUOTE=Aide;51829186]DSL get the fuck out of here.[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with G.fast? Or VDSL2?
If it works fine for you then this is a great modem.
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[QUOTE=Forumaster;51835851]If you have DSL you do not need a router this powerful.
If you have DSL, you probably shouldn't even have more than one computer connected to it at a time.[/QUOTE]
Um gfast offers speeds of 1Gb/s.
[QUOTE=dude2193;51835543]What if i dont live in the USA mate?[/QUOTE]
Then congrats, you can purchase a product that is literally basically worthless because if you have DSL 99% of the time you're not even able to fully use the router's capabilities anyway. lol
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[QUOTE=DogGunn;51835873]What's wrong with G.fast? Or VDSL2?
If it works fine for you then this is a great modem.
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Um gfast offers speeds of 1Gb/s.[/QUOTE]
G.fast only works fast on local loops shorter than 500m. (To get 500mbps to 1gbps you have to be less than 100m. It drops to 500mbps at 100m and decays further to 200mbps by 200m) It's subject to insane amounts of cross talk. You're not going to see it used for straight DSL lines, which is what most people see currently. If you're getting fiber to the distribution point then you could be on G.Fast but that's pretty uncommon since current infrastructure trends have been nearly 100% either fiber to home or fiber to node for distribution.
This router/modem is a product that really serves no real long-term purpose. You're better off buying a standalone router that's this good for cheaper and buying a modem that fits reasonably into your market's speeds if you really need it because tbh, DSL is going to die. You can move more data across 2 single mode fibers than you can across a good bundle of copper. Shit if they can roll out laser optimised cable into standard for backbones and then just use regular multi-mode for to home or to distribution point, we'd see massive gains for everyone and it'd be cheaper in the long run to maintain. Fiber is literally just expensive to install but has immense profitability because you can cram so much onto fewer physical lines.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51837275]Then congrats, you can purchase a product that is literally basically worthless because if you have DSL 99% of the time you're not even able to fully use the router's capabilities anyway. lol
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G.fast only works fast on local loops shorter than 500m. (To get 500mbps to 1gbps you have to be less than 100m. It drops to 500mbps at 100m and decays further to 200mbps by 200m) It's subject to insane amounts of cross talk. You're not going to see it used for straight DSL lines, which is what most people see currently. If you're getting fiber to the distribution point then you could be on G.Fast but that's pretty uncommon since current infrastructure trends have been nearly 100% either fiber to home or fiber to node for distribution.
This router/modem is a product that really serves no real long-term purpose. You're better off buying a standalone router that's this good for cheaper and buying a modem that fits reasonably into your market's speeds if you really need it because tbh, DSL is going to die. You can move more data across 2 single mode fibers than you can across a good bundle of copper. Shit if they can roll out laser optimised cable into standard for backbones and then just use regular multi-mode for to home or to distribution point, we'd see massive gains for everyone and it'd be cheaper in the long run to maintain. Fiber is literally just expensive to install but has immense profitability because you can cram so much onto fewer physical lines.[/QUOTE]
This router has MU-MIMO though which is very useful even if your incoming connection is like 30mbps vdsl
[QUOTE=Levelog;51841424]This router has MU-MIMO though which is very useful even if your incoming connection is like 30mbps vdsl[/QUOTE]
But you can get a router with MU-MIMO for less than $150. Shit, there's a few good ones hovering in the $100 range last I checked.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51837275]Then congrats, you can purchase a product that is literally basically worthless because if you have DSL 99% of the time you're not even able to fully use the router's capabilities anyway. lol
[editline]17th February 2017[/editline]
G.fast only works fast on local loops shorter than 500m. (To get 500mbps to 1gbps you have to be less than 100m. It drops to 500mbps at 100m and decays further to 200mbps by 200m) It's subject to insane amounts of cross talk. You're not going to see it used for straight DSL lines, which is what most people see currently. If you're getting fiber to the distribution point then you could be on G.Fast but that's pretty uncommon since current infrastructure trends have been nearly 100% either fiber to home or fiber to node for distribution.
This router/modem is a product that really serves no real long-term purpose. You're better off buying a standalone router that's this good for cheaper and buying a modem that fits reasonably into your market's speeds if you really need it because tbh, DSL is going to die. You can move more data across 2 single mode fibers than you can across a good bundle of copper. Shit if they can roll out laser optimised cable into standard for backbones and then just use regular multi-mode for to home or to distribution point, we'd see massive gains for everyone and it'd be cheaper in the long run to maintain. Fiber is literally just expensive to install but has immense profitability because you can cram so much onto fewer physical lines.[/QUOTE]
G.fast is being trialed in the UK. They run fibre to the telephone "pole" and then use copper. Most of the UK uses VDSL2 though.
It's not entirely useless since it has a WAN port.
Somebody that has DSL now can easily connect this to a cable modem or ONT later on.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51841476]But you can get a router with MU-MIMO for less than $150. Shit, there's a few good ones hovering in the $100 range last I checked.[/QUOTE]
For MU-MIMO? I haven't seen ones with proper multiuser for that cheap at all.
[QUOTE=Levelog;51841729]For MU-MIMO? I haven't seen ones with proper multiuser for that cheap at all.[/QUOTE]
TP-LINK Archer C2600 is about 130 pound new. The Linksys AC1750 is about $120 iirc. If you look used you can generally find a good few of the top of the line stuff for sub 200. Just takes a bit of shopping for that.
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