I was going to say this is awful, but then I remembered that this will just be a very good way for skilled Dark Souls players to immediately find out who is new to the game and gangbang them hard.
It will be the new Knight Shield.
I really don't understand people who would willingly use this.
Fair enough I suppose if you're able to find them later in the game.
Still seems very odd for a game like Dark Souls.
The pack says you get "early access" to the weapons, implying that they're available for free later.
Watch these weapons have high-level stat requirements and the game just dumps them on you waaaay before you able to actually use them.
[QUOTE=PieClock;43887604]Fair enough I suppose if you're able to find them later in the game.
Still seems very odd for a game like Dark Souls.[/QUOTE]
it makes sense, they said they wanted to make it more accessible to newer players early on. to be honest if dark souls had that it'd probably be slightly more popular, a lot of people get angry that it's so hard early on and if they had better gear they'd be able to fumble through it.
it's not like buying this will make them better players, it'll just give them some security. until they get invaded, then they'll get shit on because they don't know what the hell they're doing.
as long as it's not a preorder bonus i'm fine with it
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
oh i misread this isn't a DLC or a buyable thing it's just a bonus from buying the special edition
I wonder if these will be the new drakes sword of sorts.
Probably can't upgrade, resin or enchant them though, which would be pretty funny. Maybe even irreparable, since a few of their names say quartz, it wouldn't be too far a stretch.
[QUOTE=PieClock;43887604]Fair enough I suppose if you're able to find them later in the game.
Still seems very odd for a game like Dark Souls.[/QUOTE]
My guess is it's the publisher's fault. Seems like a lot of publishers nowadays [B]require[/B] a pre-order bonus of some sort. Either way for me at least, I wouldn't use these even though I do plan on pre-ordering the game. It'd only hinder me in the long run.
[QUOTE=ApocHedgie;43889539]My guess is it's the publisher's fault. Seems like a lot of publishers nowadays [B]require[/B] a pre-order bonus of some sort. Either way for me at least, I wouldn't use these even though I do plan on pre-ordering the game. It'd only hinder me in the long run.[/QUOTE]
After all they wanted them to make a mobile game version of Dark Souls.
Their publisher really has no idea in hell why Dark Souls is popular, just that it is popular.
[QUOTE=ApocHedgie;43889539]My guess is it's the publisher's fault. Seems like a lot of publishers nowadays [B]require[/B] a pre-order bonus of some sort. Either way for me at least, I wouldn't use these even though I do plan on pre-ordering the game. It'd only hinder me in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. That was where the whole debacle about the Metro Last Light pre-order bonuses and content came from. Retailers outright refused to sell the game unless they put in a early-game-breaking pre-order bonus as an incentive.
The thing here though is that most of Dark Souls' playerbase aren't the type who want this sort of thing. You play Dark Souls for the challenge, there's no point in trying to give them something that partially removes the challenge.
Well, unless you're the sort of person who goes out of their way to get the Drake Sword on their first playthrough and that sort because you want things to be as easy as possible but I'd prefer to think that those people are a minority.
[QUOTE=dgg;43889970]After all they wanted them to make a mobile game version of Dark Souls.
Their publisher really has no idea in hell why Dark Souls is popular, just that it is popular.[/QUOTE]
It's incredibly obvious. I have the feeling that if you asked Bandai-Namco exactly what the appeal of Dark Souls was they wouldn't be able to answer you properly. It also explains the half-assed Dark Souls cafe.
I'm just glad that Namco-Bandai/Bandai-Namco hasn't been making "helpful" suggestions on how to "open the game up to a wider audience" and weren't able to force From Software to make the mobile phone game.
From has generally been really good at making games and not trying to cater to a huge audience. Armored Core is really successful but most people are scared of the controllers. They know their audience and stick to it.
[QUOTE=Zinayzen;43890740]From has generally been really good at making games and not trying to cater to a huge audience. Armored Core is really successful but most people are scared of the controllers. They know their audience and stick to it.[/QUOTE]
To just think that Armored Core and the Souls series inspire and relate to each other a lot, Armored Core really has been rendered to appeal to a wider audience then normal lately with AC:V and AC:VD.
Plus the juggling of the two series really does drain each others funding from one another.
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;43887558]I really don't understand people who would willingly use this.[/QUOTE]
I like the game enough to actually buy the collector's edition mostly regardless of what it comes with, and if it's something I got as a part of it, I'd use the shit out of it just because I have it and I paid for it.
So I guess you can use me as an example.
actually it seems like it's a way to get people to play different classes and not immediately pick the one with the best armor or starting stat distribution
i guess
maybe
At first glance seems awful, but I think this is a great way to do pre-order bonuses. First of all, you can get them later in the game, so it's not exclusive access. Second of all, knowing Dark Souls, they'll become relatively useless relatively quickly, not to mention possible stat requirements. Third of all, if you watch VaatiVidya's videos, he shows pictures of the weapons, and as he says they honestly don't look overpowered. They seem more aesthetic than anything. They'll probably be decent weapons that'll be fun/cool to use for a bit. But, I guess we'll find out when the game comes out.
Do you get to select gift on character creation? Having these early start weapons in gift selection seems fair enough.
[QUOTE=dgg;43887533]I was going to say this is awful, but then I remembered that this will just be a very good way for skilled Dark Souls players to immediately find out who is new to the game and gangbang them hard.
It will be the new Knight Shield.[/QUOTE]
Except it comes with the collectors edition to the game so a lot of hardcore dark souls fans will probably have them despite not needing them
Despite it being worded that you are getting them early, it could be like the "Exclusive Gearbox Guns" you get with the special edition of Borderlands 2. As in they are useful for the first 10-45 minutes of play due to barely being better than the first equipment you are scripted to get.
[quote]The vouchers are called "early access" so it seems likely you'll be able to find this equipment through the natural course of the game as well.[/quote]
They mentioned on their facebook page that these weapons can be obtained normally throughout the game.
I imagine these weapons would probably have a special upgrade path, like Twinkling Titanite.
[QUOTE=Elspin;43893919]Except it comes with the collectors edition to the game so a lot of hardcore dark souls fans will probably have them despite not needing them[/QUOTE]
Having them and using them are two very different things.
A hardcore dark souls fan would never use something like that, that would make him/her not a hardcore dark souls fan. They would take the starting equipment of the character and go from there. When they eventually get to the point where they could get the set, maybe they would use it, but most likely it's not even good enough for them to bother using.
[QUOTE=dgg;43894648]Having them and using them are two very different things.
A hardcore dark souls fan would never use something like that, that would make him/her not a hardcore dark souls fan. They would take the starting equipment of the character and go from there. When they eventually get to the point where they could get the set, maybe they would use it, but most likely it's not even good enough for them to bother using.[/QUOTE]
I'd use them just on the merit that I had them, and for no other reason. It's not that I'm new to Dark Souls, but the hardcore mentality (if you will) can be applied to the use of equipment as well. I mean, in the very first parts of Dark Souls you can acquire the Demon's Great Hammer, Zweihander, Black Knight Sword, Black Knight Halberd, Black Knight Shield, Havel's Armor, Drake Sword, and Astora's to name but some of the excellent equipment you can grab within the first hour. Which is generally considered fair game, rarely do I see complaints about taking advantage of these things.
That said, people who will have access to that benefit have to pay up some extra cash for it, and if they are new to Dark Souls I see that as a win win situation. Not only does it support the company even more than if you bought a standard, but it also introduces new players to Dark Souls which personally I find is rather lacking in numbers. They in turn get a nice little start off which will likely only last long enough for them to only begin to get a feel for the game, which doesn't really detract too much from how Dark Souls can be punishing to new players.
[QUOTE=Worstcase;43896062]I'd use them just on the merit that I had them, and for no other reason. It's not that I'm new to Dark Souls, but the hardcore mentality (if you will) can be applied to the use of equipment as well. I mean, in the very first parts of Dark Souls you can acquire the Demon's Great Hammer, Zweihander, Black Knight Sword, Black Knight Halberd, Black Knight Shield, Havel's Armor, Drake Sword, and Astora's to name but some of the excellent equipment you can grab within the first hour. Which is generally considered fair game, rarely do I see complaints about taking advantage of these things.
That said, people who will have access to that benefit have to pay up some extra cash for it, and if they are new to Dark Souls I see that as a win win situation. Not only does it support the company even more than if you bought a standard, but it also introduces new players to Dark Souls which personally I find is rather lacking in numbers. They in turn get a nice little start off which will likely only last long enough for them to only begin to get a feel for the game, which doesn't really detract too much from how Dark Souls can be punishing to new players.[/QUOTE]
The way I see it is that there is a difference in just getting it and acquiring it. Most hardcore players as I've experienced them would rather go and fetch it themselves and wouldn't use something they got for free by the game. The whole Dark Souls experience is after all fighting your way through to your rewards, and trying to take on bigger challenges than you're meant to once you have figured out how to do them with the proper gear.
It would be understandable if they use it on their second and so on character though, because they've already done all that shit, but by that stage the game is no longer new and newbies doesn't exist in the same way as in the launch of the game. There will most certainly be one item most new people will use that will best be recognized, like the Knight Shield in Dark Souls.
From what I'm guessing (and hoping), there will be another bottomless box like in Dark Souls one which you'll have to find and/or buy. And the weapons will be inside, i can't imagine starting with them in your inventory for the moment you make your character.
[QUOTE=Highwind017;43896174]From what I'm guessing (and hoping), there will be another bottomless box like in Dark Souls one which you'll have to find and/or buy. And the weapons will be inside, i can't imagine starting with them in your inventory for the moment you make your character.[/QUOTE]
That, or there will be some special corpse with all the items on it.
I really don't get the problem people are having here. The weapons most likely won't be any significantly better than your regular starting gear. All this "hardcore dark souls fan" talk is nonsense. When you pick up a better weapon, you'll use that weapon. These weapons will probably become just as useless as your starting weapons in the early game.
[editline]13th February 2014[/editline]
Now that I think about it though, if these weapons can be obtained later on in the game, will there be other weapons like them?
I read [URL="http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=706543"]somewhere[/URL] that the weapons are nothing but reskins + slightly alterated stats and won't "really" be a starter boost.
Take that source with a pinch of salt, since it's translated stuff, that might be change before release.
But right now, those "black armor" sets are nothing more but visual candy.
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