eh, i don't really care to watch the video.
can someone sum it up for me, and does this historian get pissed about there being no women on the battlefield?
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[QUOTE=Pops;50746938]eh, i don't really care to watch the video.
can someone sum it up for me[/QUOTE]
"The guns look right, but it's not accurate to WWI."
Wow, you mean to say that there weren't plate armor clad German soldiers lugging around heavy machine guns in that war? Battlefield, for once you have tricked me in your authenticity.
What is it about this game that suddenly everyone has a stick up their ass about authenticity? Did people just forget that all the other Battlefield games were unauthentic as fuck and never tried to be 100% super duper realism sims?
[QUOTE=lonefirewarrior;50747086]What is it about this game that suddenly everyone has a stick up their ass about authenticity? Did people just forget that all the other Battlefield games were unauthentic as fuck and never tried to be 100% super duper realism sims?[/QUOTE]
Apparently.
I honestly never understood the medic class getting all the nice ass automatics
ARs are usually considered the strongest gun type in games so you'd think that'd be given to a dedicated assault class ala 1942 or BC but no they give it to what should have been a support class
[QUOTE=cdr248;50747283]I honestly never understood the medic class getting all the nice ass automatics
ARs are usually considered the strongest gun type in games so you'd think that'd be given to a dedicated assault class ala 1942 or BC but no they give it to what should have been a support class[/QUOTE]
maybe the idea is to get people to actually play support
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50747344]maybe the idea is to get people to actually play support[/QUOTE]
but then half the dudes selecting the class might as well not be playing support because they'll either lonewolf it and abuse the medpacks or just ditch the support stuff and take the grenade launchers.
I think BFBC2 did it fine by giving the class an LMG instead.
[QUOTE=lonefirewarrior;50747086]What is it about this game that suddenly everyone has a stick up their ass about authenticity? Did people just forget that all the other Battlefield games were unauthentic as fuck and never tried to be 100% super duper realism sims?[/QUOTE]
realistic games are boring as fuck tbh
well to be fair there was actually some house to house fighting by the end of the war, just depending on the battle tbh.
i forget what book (or site) I saw them in but there were some pictures you'd probably think were out of wwii with the streets being barricaded by various bits of junk and the like, but it was from towards the end of the war.
During the Battle of Cantigny, as American troops (with French Flamethrower detachments) went through the remains of buildings (and cellars) to mop up any remaining defenders. so basically it isn't unheard of for late-war tactics.
[QUOTE=lonefirewarrior;50747086]What is it about this game that suddenly everyone has a stick up their ass about authenticity? Did people just forget that all the other Battlefield games were unauthentic as fuck and never tried to be 100% super duper realism sims?[/QUOTE]
I guess folks want Verdun to be a AAA FPS that every would buy. Thought folks need to remember there's a difference between selling a Realistic WWI game, and a game with WWI Themes. Folks don't care about SMG's in WWI as long as there's trenches, Ragtime music, Wood and Canvas Bi-planes, Zeppelins and Chemical Weapons, they're happy.
This video really has a nice ending that sums up why Battlefield 1 doesn't need to be super serious on the realism department.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKKYDSJ-mfM[/media]
Also remember this is a AAA game marketing towards the General Audience. They don't want a 24/7 sniper fest and one hit kill that Verdun basically is.
[editline]20th July 2016[/editline]
Also why are people surprised by this? DICE had to really convince EA that a WWI FPS would be a good, marketable idea. It was probably hard enough to sell the whole thing to EA, now the only challenge was to sell it to the public. So obviously they'd dig and find automatics and semi-auto rifles that were prototypes or never saw field use, because the average Joe and Jane non-hobbyist gamer don't want a super realistic WWI shooter, they want the setting, history, and themes.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50747554]realistic games are boring as fuck tbh[/QUOTE]
Depends on the market
I don't think it's a market that DICE/EA want to strictly focus on
a more mainstream / streamlined game will sell more copies and more players will enjoy the experiance
While I'd love a AAA release of a realistic WWI shooter, it's just not going to happen. That's what niche games like Verdun are for. I've got no problems with BF1 being historically inaccurate as long as it's still a fun game.
[QUOTE=cdr248;50747548]but then half the dudes selecting the class might as well not be playing support because they'll either lonewolf it and abuse the medpacks or just ditch the support stuff and take the grenade launchers.
I think BFBC2 did it fine by giving the class an LMG instead.[/QUOTE]
Not really, healing now only happens out of combat in bf4. Suppression and damage blocks healing with a cooldown.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50747554]realistic games are boring as fuck tbh[/QUOTE]
to each their own
[QUOTE=J!NX;50747554]realistic games are boring as fuck tbh[/QUOTE]
To the general public yeah. They're mostly non-hobbyist gamers too busy with their personal lives to bother with super realistic games like Verdun or Arma. Verdun is more for the Niche crowd, which can net some profit, but either not the amount you would hope for in terms of making profit beyond the budget, or worse, not making back the budget at all and risking layoffs.
Far more easier to just have Automatics in WWI for the sake of gameplay. No one really complained about the Sailing mechanics in Ass Creed Black Flag feeling more like a big car, because they were too busy having fun with the game itself to care.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50748011]Far more easier to just have Automatics in WWI for the sake of gameplay. No one really complained about the Sailing mechanics in Ass Creed Black Flag feeling more like a big car, because they were too busy having fun with the game itself to care.[/QUOTE]
There was a video by some youtuber talking about degrees of believability. I, as someone pretty unversed in history navy stuff, can easily believe that a big sailing rig back in those days would handle like a big car. Same thing goes for most people and automatics in WW1. For many of them, they can believe that people would have access to those guns back then.
[QUOTE=lonefirewarrior;50747086]What is it about this game that suddenly everyone has a stick up their ass about authenticity? Did people just forget that all the other Battlefield games were unauthentic as fuck and never tried to be 100% super duper realism sims?[/QUOTE]
Probably because WW1 is a historical setting and the last slew of BF/CoD titles took place in near-future wonderland. I doubt anyone expected a milsim out of them, but to create a "WW1 feel" and not just a reskin it would take some compromises with current day genre conventions.
And BF1 does compromise on some of its stock gameplay - there's no RPGs for instance, people lob grenade bundles - but obviously everyone has their own ideas on how much compromise is enough to make the game "feel WW1" and not just like a reskin.
Yeah that's pretty much it really, people just want the game to feel and play differently. World War 1 is a pretty different beast to other 1900 conflicts, it would be nice if they'd reflect that in the gameplay as well as the visuals, otherwise there's no real point to using WW1 as a setting other than marketing.
Guess a lot of people are fed up with the idea of playing another modern shooter.
The guy being all confused is kinda cute.
[quote]I was looking in the righthand corner, and it’s like, he’s still got more bullets. It seemed like they’d burn half a clip and take it out. I don’t know why they didn’t burn through all 32 rounds. Why are you doing that if you’ve still got bullets in there? I don’t get it.[/quote]
[quote]“Is he really running on the top of a skin of a blimp?” he said. “He’s up thousands of feet, running with a machinegun?”[/quote]
[quote]“He’s filling up a syringe with morphine or something, and then he has some bandages? That is so fast moving at first I didn’t get it,” Casey said. “He’s shooting one second and the next he’s got a syringe out and is poking people. At first I thought he was trying to kill somebody, putting them out of their misery. I think it would be, like he’s all-in-one: it would either be you have a machinegun and move forward and the medics come up from behind.”[/quote]
[quote]I was looking in the righthand corner, and it’s like, he’s still got more bullets. It seemed like they’d burn half a clip and take it out. I don’t know why they didn’t burn through all 32 rounds. Why are you doing that if you’ve still got bullets in there? I don’t get it.[/quote]
This only happens on non-hardcore servers since you don't throw away the rest of your ammo when prematurely reloading.
[QUOTE=Lucien1337;50748480]Yeah that's pretty much it really, people just want the game to feel and play differently. World War 1 is a pretty different beast to other 1900 conflicts, it would be nice if they'd reflect that in the gameplay as well as the visuals, otherwise there's no real point to using WW1 as a setting other than marketing.
Guess a lot of people are fed up with the idea of playing another modern shooter.[/QUOTE]
If you want true WW1 trench warfare there's always Verdun. As far as I can tell Battlefield 1 is simply Battlefield 4 with a WW1 theme attached to it.
I'm surprised this historian didn't ask the ancient question "Where's the French?".
[QUOTE=Saphirx;50749217]If you want true WW1 trench warfare there's always Verdun. As far as I can tell Battlefield 1 is simply Battlefield 4 with a WW1 theme attached to it.
I'm surprised this historian didn't ask the ancient question "Where's the French?".[/QUOTE]
Yeah, fancy graphics made me forget that I was actually originally expecting [U]major[/U] changes in gameplay. Looking at the gameplay videos made me realize I've seen it all before.
[QUOTE=lonefirewarrior;50747086]What is it about this game that suddenly everyone has a stick up their ass about authenticity? Did people just forget that all the other Battlefield games were unauthentic as fuck and never tried to be 100% super duper realism sims?[/QUOTE]
I can't speak for the broader public, but for me, it's mainly that they jumped the gun [I]too far[/I]. Battlefield has always been playing a Hollywood kind of fast and loose with historical accuracy, but Battlefield 1 just seems to have entirely dropped it and gone off the deep end.
That, and this literally being the first AAA WWI game we've seen in the last... Possibly ever? That WWI finally gets any attention, and then it's this instead of 'Verdun with a budget'.
I don't think Verdun with a budget would make a good AAA game.
It would be just that. Verdun with a budget. AKA not a smart business decision.
[QUOTE=Drury;50749485]I don't think Verdun with a budget would make a good AAA game.
It would be just that. Verdun with a budget. AKA not a smart business decision.[/QUOTE]
It would see to niche markets and the folks that stuck around long enough to get into it and keep playing, but it would be hard to stick to enough of a mass audience to make back the budget and/or profit.
[QUOTE=lonefirewarrior;50747086]What is it about this game that suddenly everyone has a stick up their ass about authenticity? Did people just forget that all the other Battlefield games were unauthentic as fuck and never tried to be 100% super duper realism sims?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure, but the game is a lot more mainstream now and that really seems to have degraded the quality - to me, at least
I don't care about the 1:1 with history, its the fact its a WW1 game in the puddle of futuristic shooters which is appealing to me.
All i care about is the distinct lack of bolt action rifles. They work in a fast paced action shooter , Medal of Honor:AA and CoD 1 to name just 2 of my favorite games prove this, and no they don't = Camping nor do they = Mil sim.
I'd be happy if you had a stock masuer and enfield avalible for all classes. And while that's partly to do with the historical significance of said weapons in the war, it's mostly because of the gameplay those 2 weapons offer without you having to be a sniper in both role and gameplay perk.
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