[url]http://www.errantsignal.com/blog/?p=644[/url]
[quote]People wanting to kick Air Control off of Steam aren’t taking on a meaningful advocacy for consumer rights, they’re joining in yet another internet pitchforks-and-torches bandwagon. It’s not that Air Control deserves defending – it’s a transparent cash grab that offers little value outside of a “so bad we can make fun of it for 15 minutes” style ironic purchase. But hey, at least that’s some value to someone, even if it’s a shallow activity and not the best way to spend that $6. Why deny people that if they want to engage it in that way? Why remove it outright, as though being available to consumers is itself a crime? This mentality would see MST3K films banned from store shelves; it would expunge badly written books from Barnes and Noble, it would seek to not just mock but eradicate works that don’t achieve a certain level of quality.
I get going all “Hulk Smash” on the game – it’s bad media, and the internet has been doing that to bad media since the heyday of James Rolfe and Doug Walker. But removing it from sale invites a terrible precedent of making distribution channels less inclusive, and the benefits of being assured in our luxury purchases don’t offset the loss in making these channels even harder to get onto. If nothing else, think of it this way: Five years from now someone’s going to stumble on Jim Sterling’s video and think Air Control looks like a goddamn hilarious way to spend six bucks so that they and their friends can understand Sterling’s frustration. And if Sterling gets his way they won’t be able to.[/quote]
That would be fine if the game were legal. You can't sell copyrighted content as your own.
[editline]3rd June 2014[/editline]
If you're against quality control in favor of customers and reviewers making their own quality control, how do you prevent copyright infringement and the likes?
And so begins the slew of shitty "simulator" games that are just a desperate attempt to become as popular as games like Surgeon Simulator and Goat Simulator.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44988841][url]http://www.errantsignal.com/blog/?p=644[/url][/QUOTE]
This sort of makes sense when it comes to removing this kind of games from Steam, but still, Valve should stop accepting that kind of crap in their store in the first place. Imagine if anyone could make a half-assed game in Unity in a couple of hours and sell it on Steam effortlessly. Do you realise the sheer amount of crap that would fill the store? It would be like a mobile app store, with thousands of shitty games put there to make a quick buck.
Also I'm not sure I agree with the second part. Distributing media is extremely easy nowadays, it's not like you [I]have[/I] to rely on Steam. If Steam rejects your game then put it on Desura, and if even Desura doesn't want your crap you can always set up your own website.
[editline]3rd June 2014[/editline]
Yeah also the whole copyright infringement thing
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44988841][url]http://www.errantsignal.com/blog/?p=644[/url][/QUOTE]
I'd normally agree if it were just a shit game but the problem with this product isn't just poor quality but copyright infringement and false advertising.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;44989120]
Also I'm not sure I agree with the second part. Distributing media is extremely easy nowadays, it's not like you [I]have[/I] to rely on Steam. If Steam rejects your game then put it on Desura, and if even Desura doesn't want your crap you can always set up your own website.
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If your game is not on steam it will be a real pain to sell unless it's a superb masterpiece. Steam is pretty much dominating the market if you want to actually sell your game for reasonable profit.
[QUOTE=Elspin;44989149]I'd normally agree if it were just a shit game but the problem with this product isn't just poor quality but copyright infringement and false advertising.[/QUOTE]
I'm not up to date with this game, what copyrighted stuff does it include? I'm seeing some assets from unity asset store but those are okay to use commercially.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44988841][url]http://www.errantsignal.com/blog/?p=644[/url][/QUOTE]
No, it had fake screenshots and copyrighted materials.
[quote]it’s a transparent cash grab that offers little value outside of a “so bad we can make fun of it for 15 minutes” style ironic purchase.[/quote]
When you order a television from a company and they show you pictures of that television and when it arrives it turns out to be a dead dog then that is not a transparent cash grab. It is fraud.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44989312]I'm not up to date with this game, what copyrighted stuff does it include? I'm seeing some assets from unity asset store but those are okay to use commercially.[/QUOTE]
Did you read the article? It's very clear that it's not unity asset store materials that are the problem...
[QUOTE]It used audio from Delta Airlines, copyrighted soundtracks, and in a post on the Steam forums explaining that the copyright issues had been resolved, a user pointed out that the game still used art from the Zelda franchise. The dev, of course, was entirely oblivious.
One page later, the developer claims: “Air Control does not have any copyright problems now. We have already fixed it.” Straight away, someone points out that it continues to use the Lufthansa Airlines logo in both screenshots and trailers. [/QUOTE]
Valve has the funds and ability to hire a quality control team and their platform can only benefit from better control of the products sold on it.
I for one have almost dropped purchasing anything on steam for the past three months due to the growing difficulty of actually finding decent games on steam among the incalculable amount of trash, cashgrabs and shovelware the platform now sells, along with all the unfinished games from early access and the greenlight scams.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44988946]That would be fine if the game were legal. You can't sell copyrighted content as your own.[/QUOTE]
This is another question entirely.
[editline]3rd June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thlis;44989321]No, it had fake screenshots [/QUOTE]
You could argue a majority of AAA games have fake screenshots / marketing materials as well... (Watch Dogs, anyone?)
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[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;44988946]That would be fine if the game were legal. You can't sell copyrighted content as your own.
[editline]3rd June 2014[/editline]
If you're against quality control in favor of customers and reviewers making their own quality control, how do you prevent copyright infringement and the likes?[/QUOTE]
then inform the copyright holders
The better question is, what did people expect when they voted for it on greenlight other
than a (intentional bad) "hurr durr physics are funneh"-simulation game?
He's using copyrighted material and INCLUDES A FLAPPY BIRD SECTION.
Flappy Bird, a game that became famous over night WITH COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL.
How can you not see this as a statement from the developer?
This is not an Earth 2066 or WarZ issue, this here is the proof (and obviously his point)
that you can get ANYTHING on steam and sell it as long as you hit the nerve of time.
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You could argue a majority of AAA games have fake screenshots / marketing materials as well... (Watch Dogs, anyone?)[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously trying to compare
[img]http://i.imgur.com/vhaOTt6.jpg[/img]Advertised
[img]http://i.imgur.com/tlM3iAn.jpg[/img]Actual
to Watch Dogs?
[QUOTE=Thlis;44989679]Are you seriously trying to compare
[t]http://i.imgur.com/vhaOTt6.jpg[/t]Advertised
[t]http://i.imgur.com/tlM3iAn.jpg[/t]Actual
to Watch Dogs?[/QUOTE]
When you hear how much some people are complaining of the E3 2012 to Release footage it's like somebody murdered their family...
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3797350/hosting/2014-06/2014-06-03_20-08-05.png[/img]
Of course the difference is not that drastic but it's still a big fat lie that falls within the same category that people are saying Air Control should be pulled off Steam for.
If there's one reason Air Control should be pulled off it's because it's selling copyrighted content they don't have exploitation rights for.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44989596]This is another question entirely.[/QUOTE]
Er, no it's not? This is a game being sold that has copyrighted content in it, and what you posted said that it should stay on steam. Any argument you make saying that it should stay on steam is advocating for things it does to be allowed, you can't have it both ways.
[QUOTE]You could argue a majority of AAA games have fake screenshots / marketing materials as well... (Watch Dogs, anyone?)[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between having way better looking previews that are still actual gameplay and showing off someone else's totally unrelated rendering work as advertising material. What watch dogs did is still scummy but it's nothing like this
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44989726]When you hear how much some people are complaining of the E3 2012 to Release footage it's like somebody murdered their family...
[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3797350/hosting/2014-06/2014-06-03_20-08-05.png[/IMG]
Of course the difference is not that drastic but it's still a big fat lie that falls within the same category that people are saying Air Control should be pulled off Steam for.
If there's one reason Air Control should be pulled off it's because it's selling copyrighted content they don't have exploitation rights for.[/QUOTE]
Don't be dumb, you know well enough that they put out a lot of marketing material with the current graphics changes prior to release.
We both know there is a gigantic difference between graphics not being as great as a preview from 2 years ago and having screenshots which are outright fake.
[QUOTE=Elspin;44989751]Er, no it's not? [/QUOTE]
Saying "this game should be pulled off because it's bad" and "this game should be pullled off because [legal reason]" are two entirely different matters.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44989798]Saying "this game should be pulled off because it's bad" and "this game should be pullled off because [legal reason]" are two entirely different matters.[/QUOTE]
...yeah, and this game is in both categories because it is both bad and has copyrighted material [b]so if you want to say it should stay you have to agree with both staying[/b].
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44989312]If your game is not on steam it will be a real pain to sell unless it's a superb masterpiece. Steam is pretty much dominating the market if you want to actually sell your game for reasonable profit. [/QUOTE]
The argument was that games should be preserved no matter how hilariously terrible they are, and should still be available for purchase years from now. Profit isn't relevant.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;44989911]The argument was that games should be preserved no matter how hilariously terrible they are, and should still be available for purchase years from now. Profit isn't relevant.[/QUOTE]
That's a dumb argument when people are getting scammed out of their money.
[QUOTE=Thlis;44989679]Are you seriously trying to compare
[img]http://i.imgur.com/vhaOTt6.jpg[/img]Advertised
[img]http://i.imgur.com/tlM3iAn.jpg[/img]Actual
to Watch Dogs?[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, okay this changes everything I thought of this game, are there more pictures?
[QUOTE=The golden;44989384]If Air Control were another product being sold by any other retailer it would have been yanked from shelves a long time ago for being an absolute horrendous piece of shit. An insult to both the customer and the retailer.
No consumer rights are being advocated by allowing this to remain on sale. Quite the opposite in fact. If you want to advocate consumer rights then start taking this garbage off sale so we can raise the overfall standard of quality of the Steam store for everyone. Allowing trash like this on Steam just goes to show other developers how low the bar is really set with the Steam store. Which means we, the consumers, are just going to be given more shit.
I mean Valve has had to add a "report" button their own product pages for fucks sake. They sell so much TRASH and other blatantly illegal things that they need the community to help sniff it out because they don't quality check ANY of it.[/QUOTE]
then don't buy the game? no one is forcing you to
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44989798]Saying "this game should be pulled off because it's bad" and "this game should be pullled off because [legal reason]" are two entirely different matters.[/QUOTE]
this should be pulled for legal reasons, for scam/fraud reasons and for not really being a game
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44989726]When you hear how much some people are complaining of the E3 2012 to Release footage it's like somebody murdered their family...
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3797350/hosting/2014-06/2014-06-03_20-08-05.png[/img]
Of course the difference is not that drastic but it's still a big fat lie that falls within the same category that people are saying Air Control should be pulled off Steam for.
If there's one reason Air Control should be pulled off it's because it's selling copyrighted content they don't have exploitation rights for.[/QUOTE]
You're trying too hard.
[editline]3rd June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=DMGaina;44989941]Holy shit, okay this changes everything I thought of this game, are there more pictures?[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnzN-3N_0xw[/media]
[QUOTE=DMGaina;44989941]Holy shit, okay this changes everything I thought of this game, are there more pictures?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/app/295810/screenshots/[/url]
What they previously advertised and were called out on:
[url]http://www.moddb.com/games/aircontrol/images/killjoygames4#imagebox[/url]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;44989930]max you're arguing for arguments sake seriously stop dont defend this shit[/QUOTE]
I'm not defending the game (because it's shit), I'm defending the whole argument about curation (or lack thereof)
[editline]3rd June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44989981]this should be pulled for legal reasons, for scam/fraud reasons and for not really being a game[/QUOTE]
This isn't a scam, nor is it "not a game". It's a terrible product, end of story, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the right to be sold.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44990168]This isn't a scam, nor is it "not a game". It's a terrible product, end of story, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the right to be sold.[/QUOTE]
Um, yeah, it's a fucking scam. If your game involves false advertising then it's a scam. If War Z got pulled out because of all the bullshit it claimed in the description and all the misleading screenshots then there's no reason Air Control should stay up while doing the same thing.
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