Here's what it looks like
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/uoe7.png[/img]
Full video about it narrated by weird text-to-speech-sounding guy
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv5ZQGFwvaY[/media]
[QUOTE=smurfy;43199749]Here's what it looks like
[img]http://imgkk.com/i/uoe7.png[/img]
Full video about it narrated by weird text-to-speech-sounding guy
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv5ZQGFwvaY[/media][/QUOTE]
Well atleast they have an online interface for it rather than having to call them up.
Not sure which is most infuriating, the myth that you'll have to ring up to turn the controls off (because ISPs don't know how to make web interfaces or something??) or the myth that these are government-run and/or legally enforced filters and it's THE START OF THE CENSORSHIP, POLITICAL SITES ARE NEXT
It's not some conspiracy it's just that the Conservatives want Daily Mail readers to think that they care about the children
If I was a kid and had problems with this I'd be all like "dad this site I go to has small amounts of pornography in it that I don't go to and the rest of the site is good and it's blocking the entire thing! pls unblock."
done
"Existing users of BT's broadband will be contacted during 2014 and asked to make a decision on whether or not they want to set up the new service."
Wonder what happens if you dont reply? Will it automatically switch it on?
to be fair, one shouldn't be watching pornography if they are under the age of 18 and this is easily turned off for anyone of age who wishes to masturbate (or just watch with the lights off) to online legal pornography.
[QUOTE=barrab;43199943]to be fair, one shouldn't be watching pornography if they are under the age of 18...[/QUOTE] Why?
[QUOTE=isnipeu;43199977]Why?[/QUOTE]
while i fully accept that many young people under the age of 18 are mature enough to handle it, one must look at the teen pregnancy and sti statistics and understand that these numbers are correlated with online pornography becoming more and more ubiquitous. this isn't censorship, this is enforcement of a law i rarely see anyone argue.
if you're smart enough not to get yourself into trouble, you're probably smart enough to get around this block or even turn it off yourself. there is no reason this block shouldn't be in place. people are asked for proof of age when buying alcohol because it is a legal requirement, but on a porn website, there was no way to prove anything until now. now obviously there are ways around it, but then again, there are also ways around being asked for proof of age when buying alcohol.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;43199977]Why?[/QUOTE]
It's actually against the law, but nobody really cares in the slightest.
if this service goes the way of any school blocking system, 9/10ths of websites will be blocked.
I, with pride, shall call up BT and demand my right to porn and masturbating be unaffected
[QUOTE=barrab;43200012]while i fully accept that many young people under the age of 18 are mature enough to handle it, one must look at the teen pregnancy and sti statistics and understand that these numbers are correlated with online pornography becoming more and more ubiquitous. this isn't censorship, this is enforcement of a law i rarely see anyone argue.
if you're smart enough not to get yourself into trouble, you're probably smart enough to get around this block or even turn it off yourself. there is no reason this block shouldn't be in place. people are asked for proof of age when buying alcohol because it is a legal requirement, but on a porn website, there was no way to prove anything until now. now obviously there are ways around it, but then again, there are also ways around being asked for proof of age when buying alcohol.[/QUOTE] Or you educate teens about sex instead of trying to stop them from being exposed to sexual things.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;43200048]Or you educate teens about sex instead of trying to stop them from being exposed to sexual things.[/QUOTE]
uhh, porn =/= sex education
i feel as if the main complaint about this is that people will have to admit to watching porn, but i'll let you into a little secret: [sp]everyone masturbates (or at least has had the urge to)[/sp]
[QUOTE=smurfy;43199874]Not sure which is most infuriating, the myth that you'll have to ring up to turn the controls off (because ISPs don't know how to make web interfaces or something??) or the myth that these are government-run and/or legally enforced filters and it's THE START OF THE CENSORSHIP, POLITICAL SITES ARE NEXT
It's not some conspiracy it's just that the Conservatives want Daily Mail readers to think that they care about the children[/QUOTE]
It's entirely optional so any arguments about it being some bullshit censorship fall completely flat.
[QUOTE=barrab;43200012]while i fully accept that many young people under the age of 18 are mature enough to handle it, one must look at the teen pregnancy and sti statistics and understand that these numbers are correlated with online pornography becoming more and more ubiquitous. this isn't censorship, this is enforcement of a law i rarely see anyone argue.
if you're smart enough not to get yourself into trouble, you're probably smart enough to get around this block or even turn it off yourself. there is no reason this block shouldn't be in place. people are asked for proof of age when buying alcohol because it is a legal requirement, but on a porn website, there was no way to prove anything until now. now obviously there are ways around it, but then again, there are also ways around being asked for proof of age when buying alcohol.[/QUOTE]
are you seriously comparing pornography to alcohol?
[QUOTE=Lurklet;43200070]are you seriously comparing pornography to alcohol?[/QUOTE]
no, i'm comparing the age restriction laws.
[QUOTE=barrab;43200012]while i fully accept that many young people under the age of 18 are mature enough to handle it, one must look at the teen pregnancy and sti statistics and understand that these numbers are correlated with online pornography becoming more and more ubiquitous. this isn't censorship, this is enforcement of a law i rarely see anyone argue.
if you're smart enough not to get yourself into trouble, you're probably smart enough to get around this block or even turn it off yourself. there is no reason this block shouldn't be in place. people are asked for proof of age when buying alcohol because it is a legal requirement, but on a porn website, there was no way to prove anything until now. now obviously there are ways around it, but then again, there are also ways around being asked for proof of age when buying alcohol.[/QUOTE]
Ever heard of correlation does not imply causation?
Here is some data from 2009 [url]http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/feb/22/teenage-pregnancy-rates-england-wales-map[/url] and it shows a general decrease from 2001.
Heres some data about Internet usage: [url]https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=it_net_user_p2&hl=en&dl=en&idim=country:GBR:USA:IRL[/url]
If we follow your logic then increased Internet usage lowers teenage pregnancy.
[QUOTE=Morgen;43200120]Ever heard of correlation does not imply causation?
Here is some data from 2009 [url]http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/feb/22/teenage-pregnancy-rates-england-wales-map[/url] and it shows a general decrease from 2001.
Heres some data about Internet usage: [url]https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=it_net_user_p2&hl=en&dl=en&idim=country:GBR:USA:IRL[/url]
If we follow your logic then increased Internet usage lowers teenage pregnancy.[/QUOTE]
perhaps this is due to the increased vigilance to stop these things from happening (more laws being put in place, more money being put into availability of protection and sex education). you can't compare my two statistics to your two, seeing as one is about overall internet usage, which is due to more and more devices using the internet (etc).
my argument didn't end with statistics.
[QUOTE=barrab;43200142]perhaps this is due to the increased vigilance to stop these things from happening (more laws being put in place, more money being put into availability of protection and sex education). you can't compare my two statistics to your two, seeing as one is about overall internet usage, which is due to more and more devices using the internet (etc).
my argument didn't end with statistics.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]one must look at the teen pregnancy and sti statistics and understand that these numbers are correlated with online pornography becoming more and more ubiquitous[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
In fact the teen pregnancy rate for 2009 (of 38,259 girls aged 18 or younger in England and Wales) was estimated to be the lowest since the early 1980s.
[/QUOTE]
How many kids watched online porn in the 80s?
[QUOTE=Morgen;43200175]How many kids watched online porn in the 80s?[/QUOTE]
you realise that the internet was a lot smaller and less available than it was 30 years ago? that there were less places to go for help in these situations. again, you're focusing on one part of the argument because you have nothing else to argue your point. this isn't aimed at teenagers you know, its aimed at [I]everyone[/I] under 18. what business does a 10 year old have watching pornography? should we be encouraging children to have sex?
[QUOTE=barrab;43200187]you realise that the internet was a lot smaller and less available than it was 30 years ago?[/QUOTE]
I'm confused at how the Internet is less available than it was 30 years ago. I assume you mean it was less available 30 years ago, which is sort of the point I am trying to make.
More people are online and watching porn but teen pregnancy went down. The point I am trying to make is that now the majority of teens are probably watching porn but teen pregnancy hasn't gone up and has in-fact gone down.
[QUOTE]this isn't aimed at teenagers you know, its aimed at [I]everyone[/I] under 18. what business does a 10 year old have watching pornography? should we be encouraging children to have sex?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]one must look at the teen pregnancy[/QUOTE]
??
[QUOTE=Morgen;43200223]I'm confused at how the Internet is less available than it was 30 years ago. I assume you mean it was less available 30 years ago, which is sort of the point I am trying to make.
More people are online and watching porn but teen pregnancy went down. The point I am trying to make is that now the majority of teens are probably watching porn but teen pregnancy hasn't gone up and has in-fact gone down.[/QUOTE]
yeah, my mistake. but you forget that porn comes in forms other than online. it is only significant that porn is online because that makes it so easy to access for anyone.
in my opinion, this kind of optional filter should be imposed over a large majority of the internet. there are many things teenagers and children alike have no business seeing or reading. not to say we should block educational sources which may have mature content, and with this kind of block, it means it's the parent's/adult's responsibility whether they think their child is mature enough to handle this information.
By looking at that video I'm assuming its off by default
This is what pisses me off the most:
[QUOTE]Users can also personalise the filters to block access to [B]sex-education sites[/B] and search engines.[/QUOTE]
I mean what the fuck? This is extremely dumb.
[QUOTE=Midas22;43200283]By looking at that video I'm assuming its off by default[/QUOTE]
[quote=bbc]Existing users of BT's broadband will be contacted during 2014 and asked to make a decision on whether or not they want to set up the new service.[/quote]
for the time being.
[QUOTE=barrab;43200251]yeah, my mistake. but you forget that porn comes in forms other than online. it is only significant that porn is online because that makes it so easy to access for anyone.
in my opinion, this kind of optional filter should be imposed over a large majority of the internet. there are many things teenagers and children alike have no business seeing or reading. not to say we should block educational sources which may have mature content, and with this kind of block, it means it's the parent's/adult's responsibility whether they think their child is mature enough to handle this information.[/QUOTE]
Well online porn was specifically brought up here and I was just arguing that increased online porn usage doesn't mean higher teen pregnancy rates. Really filters of this kind are kind of un-need in my opinion.. Parents should be able to teach kids right from wrong and forcing an all work no play environment really doesn't help things.
Taking this slightly out of context Gabe sort of made this point at 20:45 in this video:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3OI3Ocylg&t=20m45s[/url]
[QUOTE=smurfy;43199874]Not sure which is most infuriating, the myth that you'll have to ring up to turn the controls off (because ISPs don't know how to make web interfaces or something??) or the myth that these are government-run and/or legally enforced filters and it's THE START OF THE CENSORSHIP, POLITICAL SITES ARE NEXT
It's not some conspiracy it's just that the Conservatives want Daily Mail readers to think that they care about the children[/QUOTE]
Dunno if this has already been said, but censorship is [URL="http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2013/11/29/extremism-filter/1"]exactly what they're trying to do.[/URL] The only reason it's optional at the moment is so they can push it through without any resistance. The moment the largest ISPs have a filter in place we'll see a bill pushing for mandatory filtering.
[QUOTE=Morgen;43200335]Well online porn was specifically brought up here and I was just arguing that increased online porn usage doesn't mean higher teen pregnancy rates. Really filters of this kind are kind of un-need in my opinion.. Parents should be able to teach kids right from wrong and forcing an all work no play environment really doesn't help things.
Taking this slightly out of context Gabe sort of made this point at 20:45 in this video:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3OI3Ocylg&t=20m45s[/url][/QUOTE]
parents can teach their kids right from wrong, this gives them more power to do so. there is no forcing involved, if a parent doesn't want their child potentially viewing pornography (and other mature websites which this block includes), they can turn it off until they think they're ready or the child will have to wait till they are of an age where they can legally make the decision themselves.
[QUOTE=barrab;43200489]parents can teach their kids right from wrong, this gives them more power to do so. there is no forcing involved, if a parent doesn't want their child potentially viewing pornography (and other mature websites which this block includes), they can turn it off until they think they're ready or the child will have to wait till they are of an age where they can legally make the decision themselves.[/QUOTE]
No, this is simply for parents that don't want to deal with explaining stuff to their kid.
[QUOTE=barrab;43200489]parents can teach their kids right from wrong, this gives them more power to do so. there is no forcing involved, if a parent doesn't want their child potentially viewing pornography (and other mature websites which this block includes), they can turn it off until they think they're ready or the child will have to wait till they are of an age where they can legally make the decision themselves.[/QUOTE]
If they are doing it right they shouldn't need to filter it. All filtering is going to achieve is kids looking to get around it because they are curious as to why something is blocked.
I was referring to the parents forcing it on the kids, not that the filter is mandatory. Did you even watch the video?
What the fuck are you guys crying about. It's basically the Tv channel blocker that your parents used to block the naughty station applied to the internet.
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