Cops brutally taze protester, then turn on the man filming it - Polidicks

[B]Video:[/B] [video=youtube;Xy-Bxy0nZr8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-Bxy0nZr8[/video] [b]Further reading: article from youtube description:[/b] [url]http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/01/protestor-arrested-recording-violent-arrest-tasering-walmart-parking-lot/[/url] Article has portion with the writers opinion on the matter. Use video as the main source of the news, article for further reading.

Yeah that's pretty horrible, I wonder if anybody gonna defend this as policemen truly doing their job, legally and honestly. I am wondering how much would it take to make an undershirt with a conductive layer, like maybe a fine copper mesh sandwiched in tinfoil, as that should serve as a Faraday cage and protect you from most of the effect of a tazer.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46875000]Yeah that's pretty horrible, I wonder if anybody gonna defend this as policemen truly doing their job, legally and honestly. I am wondering how much would it take to make an undershirt with a conductive layer, like maybe a fine copper mesh sandwiched in tinfoil, as that should serve as a Faraday cage and protect you from most of the effect of a tazer.[/QUOTE] It'd probably be easier just to make it out of a thin layer of Kevlar that the barbs couldn't penetrate.

[QUOTE=Apache249;46875009]It'd probably be easier just to make it out of a thin layer of Kevlar that the barbs couldn't penetrate.[/QUOTE] Actually you don't have to punch through to deliver the electric charge through even seemingly thick layer of insulation - even the small handheld tazers advertise they will affect people through leather jackets and such, so you don't have to be in direct contact with skin to deliver the effect. Meanwhile a conductive layer should short circuit the taser's active loop and keep most of the current from entering your body, even if the barbs go through. [editline]7th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Fort83;46875096]It's better to just comply with the police instead of arguing with them, which some will take arguing as resisting arrest, and then take legal action afterwards. Damn though it was not necessary for those cops to taser the guy or even arrest the guy in the first place. And fuck that cop that took down the camera guy for not moving fast enough, didn't even give him 5 seconds.[/QUOTE] Well and he told him to go to his car, and he WAS at his car, so the guy couldn't have even complied any better than he did.

i don't see an issue with this. They were protesting on walmart's property, Walmart called the cops to get them off of their property, the guy decided to argue with the cops instead of listening, then instead of going peacefully, he fought his arrest. You can't protest on private property without the owners consent. You can't just not listen to the cops instructions and expect to walk free. You can't resist arrest without expecting to get tased. So unless I got one of those 3 main points wrong, this was justified and the source is biased as hell...

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46875271]the source is biased as hell...[/QUOTE] It's TYT. basically the liberal Fox News.

There's always someone I guess; I will say that it seemed clear the first person (the one who was tased) was resisting arrest, and regardless of if you agree with why he was being arrested, resisting arrest is stupid. You don't beat the cops on the streets, because you will lose, you (maybe) beat them in the courtroom. I personally don't think tasing him was necessary, but I wouldn't consider it completely unprovoked either. What they did to the guy filming though, just going by the video, did seem quite unreasonable though; what's the point in giving an order if you're not going to give a reasonable amount of time to carry it out. Unless you just want to arrest the guy for whatever reason and wanted an excuse or something. More generally speaking, my problem with the video isn't that they were being arrested (though that is questionable too, there isn't enough context from the video to make a judgement), it's how the officers went about doing it.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46875131]Actually you don't have to punch through to deliver the electric charge through even seemingly thick layer of insulation - even the small handheld tazers advertise they will affect people through leather jackets and such, so you don't have to be in direct contact with skin to deliver the effect. Meanwhile a conductive layer should short circuit the taser's active loop and keep most of the current from entering your body, even if the barbs go through.[/QUOTE] It may not need to penetrate, but it definitely needs to maintain contact. If the barbs bounce, the shock doesn't get delivered. [editline]7th January 2015[/editline] You could hold a stun gun against someone, but shooting a taser at someone is a whole other story.

This guy posts nothing but anti-cop threads, what the hell?

I think it is very scary when we start justifying obvious excessive force with "no, but he said dont touch me and thats resisting arrest". What qualifies as resisting arrest these days then? If I say that I have done nothing wrong, is that resisting arrest? The dude was peaceful as fuck, just saying "what's the problem" when the officer said that he needed to go to jail. And the guy filming had done absolutely nothing that warranted that response. Neither had really, but hey, that's just my opinion. EDIT: Not to mention he was tased multiple times after obviously surrendering. He was even tased as he was tased.

[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;46875355]I think it is very scary when we start justifying obvious excessive force with "no, but he said dont touch me and thats resisting arrest". What qualifies as resisting arrest these days then? If I say that I have done nothing wrong, is that resisting arrest? The dude was peaceful as fuck, just saying "what's the problem" when the officer said that he needed to go to jail.[/QUOTE] When the officer's made up his mind to arrest/detain you, then you're going to be arrested/detained. If you're not doing anything, then it's unfortunate, but resisting is a crime for a reason. You got to let him/her put the cuffs on, then talk later. You're not going to get out by protesting/yelling "I'm not doing anything"/physically resisting. Period. [editline]yes[/editline] That's how it works in the US. I don't know how it works in Sweden or wherever the fuck you're really from.

[QUOTE=Apache249;46875382]When the officer's made up his mind to arrest/detain you, then you're going to be arrested/detained. If you're not doing anything, then it's unfortunate, but resisting is a crime for a reason. You got to let him/her put the cuffs on, then talk later. You're not going to get out by protesting/yelling "I'm not doing anything"/physically resisting. Period.[/QUOTE] That's reassuring then... Wrongful arrests are also a crime, and I sure hope the policemen in question get served. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plummer_v._State[/url]

[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;46875406]That's reassuring then... Wrongful arrests are also a crime, and I sure hope the policemen in question get served. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plummer_v._State[/url][/QUOTE] The courts will decide whether or not it was a good arrest.

[QUOTE=Apache249;46875427]The courts will decide whether or not it was a good arrest.[/QUOTE] Hopefully by independent prosecutors. [url]http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/independent-prosecutors-for-police-misconduct-cases-is-an-idea-whose-time-has-come/[/url]

[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;46875460]Hopefully by independent prosecutors. [url]http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/independent-prosecutors-for-police-misconduct-cases-is-an-idea-whose-time-has-come/[/url][/QUOTE] Seems reasonable to me. If implemented properly it would benefit the system as a whole. I'm actually all for cops being held accountable for their actions. I doubt it would satisfy most of the critics, but those are only the ones whose minds couldn't be changed under any circumstances because they like to hate the police.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;46875555]I'd imagine tin/alfoil is more readily available than kevlar though.[/QUOTE] Kevlar is a mass-produced synthetic material.

Resisting Arrest is also another term for "Police not wanting to do exercise so they add a bunch moire shit over your head".

[QUOTE=Megadave;46875763]Resisting Arrest is also another term for "Police not wanting to do exercise so they add a bunch moire shit over your head".[/QUOTE] What does exercise have to with this?

[QUOTE=Apache249;46875787]What does exercise have to with this?[/QUOTE] Because when you arrest someone who's resisting, you have to apply more force, thus working more muscles.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46875811]Because when you arrest someone who's resisting, you have to apply more force, thus working more muscles.[/QUOTE] So resisting should be legal, so you can give the cops more exercise?

Honestly, i feel it's wrongful use of force to taze in this situation. He should have shot him 17 times, like standard procedure dictates for unarmed black men.

[QUOTE=Apache249;46875824]So resisting should be legal, so you can give the cops more exercise?[/QUOTE] No, because it's a whine. A whine that the police had to work more to get you.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46875849]No, because it's a whine. A whine that the police had to work more to get you.[/QUOTE] No, because when police says you have to come with them, you have to come with them. It's not a game of grab-ass, it's the law.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46875849]No, because it's a whine. A whine that the police had to work more to get you.[/QUOTE] I'm genuinely confused as to what you're trying to suggest.

[QUOTE=Riller;46875859]No, because when police says you have to come with them, you have to come with them. It's not a game of grab-ass, it's the law.[/QUOTE] Saying It's the Law is an excuse, not a fucking explanation. Just because it's against the law doesn't make it any less retarded. [editline]7th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Apache249;46875864]I'm genuinely confused as to what you're trying to suggest.[/QUOTE] That police officers don't want to do more work than they have to, so they add on more bullshit charges. This is why they are so fat. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Dumb Generalizations" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Megadave;46875880]Saying It's the Law is an excuse, not a fucking explanation. Just because it's against the law doesn't make it any less retarded.[/QUOTE] Cops ain't gonna ask anyone to come with them for no reason at all. It may turn out to be no reason, it may turn out to be poor judgement on their part, but they don't do it just to annoy you. Now, if you're not doing anything wrong, you're saving everyone time by just doing as you're told. It may be bullshit, it may be a waste of your time, but being cooperative is always the easiest and fastest option. Hell, if you're polite and cooperative, they might even decide they don't need to drag you anywhere after all. If you are, however, uncooperative, struggling and yelling and what have you not, they suddenly got a reason right there, even if there were none before.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46875880]Saying It's the Law is an excuse, not a fucking explanation. Just because it's against the law doesn't make it any less retarded. [editline]7th January 2015[/editline] That police officers don't want to do more work than they have to, so they add on more bullshit charges. This is why they are so fat.[/QUOTE] Why are you so invested in giving cops a hard time?

[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;46875314][QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46875271]the source is biased as hell...[/QUOTE]It's TYT. basically the liberal Fox News.[/QUOTE] No that's the point, the anchors both read the news and talk about them with their own opinions and counter-opinions.

[QUOTE=Fort83;46875388]Simply arguing is resisting arrest. Not complying with what the officer is telling you to do is resisting arrest. The best course of action is to comply with the officers and then take legal action after, if you can at least. There is no point in arguing or trying to talk your way out of it, because you won't. If the police make up their mind to arrest you, you will be arrested.[/QUOTE] To add to this, it seemed the police wanted the guy to let go of the helmet and it seemed like he wouldn't; that takes physical effort. Force begets force. Purely arguing (with just words), while still perhaps resisting arrest (I honestly don't know the exact laws), would have definitely in my opinion made any use of force excessive because arguing with the cops about getting arrested, while pointless, isn't really threatening them in any way. But that didn't seem to be the case.

[QUOTE=Riller;46875918]Cops ain't gonna ask anyone to come with them for no reason at all. It may turn out to be no reason, it may turn out to be poor judgement on their part, but they don't do it just to annoy you. Now, if you're not doing anything wrong, you're saving everyone time by just doing as you're told. It may be bullshit, it may be a waste of your time, but being cooperative is always the easiest and fastest option. Hell, if you're polite and cooperative, they might even decide they don't need to drag you anywhere after all. If you are, however, uncooperative, struggling and yelling and what have you not, they suddenly got a reason right there, even if there were none before.[/QUOTE] How can you speak for all cops? There have obviously been multiple cases where the arrests have been wrongful or out of spite. And the last part of your post doesn't say anything in favor of cops. Just that you should follow through with their corruption and not let them provoke you. Best case scenario: You do nothing wrong, but still get a weekend in jail. That's some bullshit.