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[quote][B]Counter-protest launched against 'Topless Jihad Day'.[/B]
Muslim women have launched a campaign to send a message to [URL="http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/future-feminism-0022381"]"sextremist" collective Femen[/URL]. "[URL="https://www.facebook.com/events/405975192834405/"]Muslimah Pride Day[/URL]" was organised in response to Femen's self-declared "Topless Jihad Day", a day of [URL="http://www.tunisia-live.net/2013/03/29/feminist-group-declares-april-4-international-topless-jihad-day/"]topless protests[/URL] around the world to support Tunisian Femen activist [URL="http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303252145-0022635"]Amina Tyler[/URL].[/quote]
[URL]http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201304050033-0022659[/URL]
Really, I don't know what to say about this. Good for them standing up for whatever they believe in and how they feel though.
SH is going to have an aneurysm over which side to support.
i'm just appalled at the use of hashtags with handwriting
I'd make a joke about how they're being held at gunpoint but I don't want to be bashed at by both sides.
[QUOTE=lNloruzenchi;40162429]i'm just appalled at the use of hashtags with handwriting[/QUOTE]
wave of the future sir this is how we LIVE now
Don't worry, in ten years it'll be like the nineties and everyone will cringe when it's brought up.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40162424]SH is going to have an aneurysm over which side to support.[/QUOTE]
Nudity v. Religion.
"cultural imperialism is okay when feminists do it"
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I'd say this is a good thing. They're still standing for their rights, just in a less ridiculous way, and it's about time someone stood up to radfems.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40162489]and it's about time someone stood up to radfems.[/QUOTE]
Why?
EDIT: what is so dumb about asking someone to expand upon a point?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40162479]"cultural imperialism is okay when feminists do it"[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, feminism is a legit thing, but I would struggle to admit FEMEN is doing anything cultural.
They just leave me with impression of plain rage against the system anarchists who happened to find themselves with that one ideology to push, but the ways they do it are reckless and insensitive.
if they're cool with muslim tradition and they want to keep their garb on nobody is stopping them, FEMEN is a reaction to institutionalized sexism and an irrational fear of the female body. they're not campaigning for a world where women aren't allowed to wear clothes or anything so this entire campaign is stupid
[QUOTE=lNloruzenchi;40162429]i'm just appalled at the use of hashtags with handwriting[/QUOTE]
do you understand the purpose of hashtags?
[editline]4th April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40162489]I'd say this is a good thing. They're still standing for their rights, just in a less ridiculous way, and it's about time someone stood up to radfems.[/QUOTE]
can someone remind me when femen said women shouldn't be allowed to wear clothing
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40162510]Why?[/QUOTE]
Because they generally just hatemonger and accomplish nothing other than discrediting the idea of feminism in general. And of course guys or nonfeminists can't call them out for it because they'll just say it's "assertion of patriarchy" or some and such bullshit.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40162548]Because they generally just hatemonger and accomplish nothing other than discrediting the idea of feminism in general. And of course guys or nonfeminists can't call them out for it because they'll just say it's "assertion of patriarchy" or some and such bullshit.[/QUOTE]
You're just giving me a narrative, not an explanation.
Extremist feminists are of course silly, but the Muslim religion is the most patriarchal society in existence today. It does not surprise me that these two groups would clash. The radicals with the [del]brainwashed[/del] those who abide by strict conservatism.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40162569']Extremist feminists are of course silly, but the Muslim religion is the most patriarchal society in existence today. It does not surprise me that these two groups would clash. The radicals with the brainwashed.[/QUOTE]It's really rather offensive that you call them brainwashed.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40162569']Extremist feminists are of course silly, but the Muslim religion is the most patriarchal society in existence today. It does not surprise me that these two groups would clash. The radicals with the brainwashed.[/QUOTE]
Don't assume their brainwashed
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;40162582]It's really rather offensive that you call them brainwashed.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you're right, but just because it's offensive doesn't mean it's not true.
I'll still edit my post though, to reflect that I made an assumption that is probably overstepping the line.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;40162561]You're just giving me a narrative, not an explanation.[/QUOTE]
Well for one you didn't ask for either. You asked for a reason, and I gave you one. If movements of any kind seriously want to get anywhere, they're better off cutting themselves off from the radical lunatics as quickly as possible because all those people will accomplish is discrediting them.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;40162582]It's really rather offensive that you call them brainwashed.[/QUOTE]
it's still true
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40162596']Perhaps you're right, but just because it's offensive doesn't mean it's not true.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Judas;40162609]it's still true[/QUOTE]
Just saying something does not make it true.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40162601]Well for one you didn't ask for either. You asked for a reason, and I gave you one. If movements of any kind seriously want to get anywhere, they're better off cutting themselves off from the radical lunatics as quickly as possible because all those people will accomplish is discrediting them.[/QUOTE]
when people make this stupid argument that an extremist group is somehow discrediting a general ideology as a whole it makes my head spin
they're only discrediting feminism because you and everyone else who agrees with you is willingly changing their perception of an ideology based on their actions. its not their fault that you're incapable of understanding the concept of ideology and groups that practice them, nor is it feminism's fault for not disowning them, primarily because its not fucking possible for an ideology to discredit a group
i fucking hate women
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40162601]Well for one you didn't ask for either. You asked for a reason, and I gave you one. If movements of any kind seriously want to get anywhere, they're better off cutting themselves off from the radical lunatics as quickly as possible because all those people will accomplish is discrediting them.[/QUOTE]
Is it really that radical for a women to take her top off to prove a point these days?
not entirely relevant but the thread reminded me of this
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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;40162624]Just saying something does not make it true.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that I was right in saying they were brainwashed- you're right, that's me assuming. I had difficulty trying to phrase that any other way, because I don't quite know what to think about those who, willingly or otherwise, choose to abide by what I see as oppression. "Brainwashed" was just the first term that I thought of, and is probably not accurate.
But, that doesn't mean that it simply being offensive does not mean that it's not correct. It also doesn't mean it is correct. This is mostly semantics, though. I'm redacting my "brainwashed" statement.
[editline]4th April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Antdawg;40162647]not entirely relevant but the thread reminded me of this
[img]http://thebaochi.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cartoon.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
They're both right. The societies just simply have different presumptions on the nature of men. However, I would argue that being more free to show more is better than being restricted not to. Women should be free to expose themselves, the only reason why it's bad in our culture is because it caters to a patriarchal society: women are exposed because of bodily objectification for the sake of male gratification, more often than not, and not because of legitimate liberty to do so free from coercion.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;40162647]not entirely relevant but the thread reminded me of this
[img]http://thebaochi.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cartoon.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
It nearly does.
Except Feminists are trying to fight both of them.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40162660']I'm not saying that I was right in saying they were brainwashed- you're right, that's me assuming. I had difficulty trying to phrase that any other way, because I don't quite know what to think about those who, willingly or otherwise, choose to abide by what I see as oppression. "Brainwashed" was just the first term that I thought of, and is probably not accurate.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of Muslim women around the world who wear hijabs and similar garments because, to them, it is empowering and means that people have to judge them not on their appearance but on their character. There are even some that do it for the same reason who are not Muslim.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;40162647]not entirely relevant but the thread reminded me of this
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No western country requires women to dress like this through law at threat of death.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;40162722]There are plenty of Muslim women around the world who wear hijabs and similar garments because, to them, it is empowering and means that people have to judge them not on their appearance but on their character. There are even some that do it for the same reason who are not Muslim.[/QUOTE]
But that's antithetical to liberation. By saying that they should want to cover to be judged "not on their appearance but on their character" is missing the point of liberation: they should be free to appear how they wish, and still be judged based on their character. They are accepting and catering to a society that judges based on appearance and simply reacting to that.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40162787']They are accepting and catering to a society that judges based on appearance and simply reacting to that.[/QUOTE]
By choice, not because of state force.
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