[Poll] Did you want health care to pass? - General

Huge slashes all over the news saying Health care was horrible, nobody wanted it. I did. Currently paying ridiculous amounts for the crap we get. Anyone else? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Question threads belong in Fast Threads" - Greeman))[/highlight]

I wanted health reform, but not this. That said, it's better than nothing.

I just wish we had a system like Canada, or the United Kingdom, or Australia, or... You get the point.

Haha, no. [editline]10:21PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;20968185]I just wish we had a system like Canada, or the United Kingdom, or Australia, or... You get the point.[/QUOTE] Also this.

Terrible bill

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;20968185]I just wish we had a system like Canada, or the United Kingdom, or Australia, or... You get the point.[/QUOTE] Single-payer? Socialized? Each of those countries has a different system. Personally, I'm a fan of single-payer.

I wish people would explain their reasoning for their position on the Bill, rather than spout stupid shit everywhere.

Reform would be great but this bill sucks and I'm not really for the idea of government provided health care. It's more money being spent by a government that has none.

[QUOTE=Luxo;20968212]Reform would be great but this bill sucks and I'm not really for the idea of government provided health care. It's more money being spent by a government that has none.[/QUOTE] yeah such a shame THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT-PROVIDED HEALTH CARE in the bill...

[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;20968198]Single-payer? Socialized? Each of those countries has a different system. Personally, I'm a fan of single-payer.[/QUOTE] Either one is better than what we've got. Ours is full of holes and relies or corporations (who's goal is to make money whenever possible). A government system would be much better because unlike corporations, their goal would not be making money, so they'd be more likely to cover you. [editline]11:28PM[/editline] That said, I don't really care if it passes or not because it's not what I wanted.

Yes, it's a bill that doesn't do exactly what Obama wants, but it's a start.

I hate the health care, our founding fathers would be disgusted to see the direction were heading. Though I hate it, I still have to respect the President. Were founded on a country despite the directions we are took on, we must still show respect.

I did, the fact that the current health insurance usually doesn't cover pre-existing conditions is bullshit, and that will be fixed now.

Fuck no, last thing I wanted.

How old are you, do you have a job, and does this directly affect you in any negative way?

[quote]I did, the fact that the current health insurance usually doesn't cover pre-existing conditions is bullshit, and that will be fixed now. [/quote] Although, I'm wondering if this drive the price of insurance up.

Honestly at first, No. I had no idea what it entailed. But after looking at it and thinking it over it doesn't seem all that bad of an idea.

Totally stole this from Prismatex's thread. [release] Some features of the health care overhaul bill President Barack Obama has signed, as modified by a package of changes passed Thursday by the House and Senate: [B] HOW MANY COVERED:[/B] 32 million uninsured. Major coverage expansion begins in 2014. When fully phased in, 94 percent of eligible non-elderly Americans will have coverage, compared with 83 percent now. COST: $938 billion over 10 years for the coverage expansion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. [B] DEFICIT REDUCTION:[/B] CBO says the measure will reduce deficits by $143 billion over a decade. [B] INSURANCE MANDATE:[/B] Almost everyone will be required to be insured or else pay a fine, which takes effect in 2014. There is an exemption for low-income people. [B] INSURANCE MARKET REFORMS:[/B] Starting this year, insurers will be prohibited from placing lifetime dollar limits on policies, from denying coverage to children because of pre-existing conditions, and from canceling policies because someone gets sick. Parents will be able to keep children on their coverage up to age 26. A new high-risk pool will offer coverage to uninsured people with medical problems until 2014, when the coverage expansion goes into high gear. Major consumer safeguards will also take effect in 2014. Insurers will be prohibited from denying coverage to people with medical problems or charging them more. Insurers will not be able to charge women more. [B] MEDICAID:[/B] Expands the federal-state Medicaid insurance program for the poor to cover people with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level, $29,327 a year for a family of four. Childless adults will be covered for the first time, starting in 2014. The federal government will pay 100 percent of costs for covering newly eligible individuals through 2016. A special deal that would have given Nebraska 100 percent federal financing for newly eligible Medicaid recipients in perpetuity is being eliminated. A different, one-time deal negotiated by Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu for her state, Louisiana, worth as much as $300 million, remains. [highlight][B]TAXES:[/B][/highlight] The bill applies an increased Medicare payroll tax to investment income and wages of individuals making more than $200,000 a year, or married couples above $250,000. The tax on investment income is 3.8 percent. The legislation also imposes a 40 percent tax on high-cost insurance plans worth more than $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. The tax would go into effect in 2018. [B] PRESCRIPTION DRUGS:[/B] Gradually closes the "doughnut hole" coverage gap in the Medicare prescription drug benefit that seniors fall into once they have spent $2,830. Seniors who hit the gap this year would receive a $250 rebate. Beginning in 2011, seniors in the gap would receive a discount on brand name drugs, initially 50 percent off. When the gap is completely eliminated in 2020, seniors will still be responsible for 25 percent of the cost of their medications until Medicare's catastrophic coverage kicks in. [B] EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY:[/B] Employers are hit with a fee if the government subsidizes their workers' coverage. The $2,000-per-employee fee would be assessed on the company's entire work force, minus an allowance. Companies with 50 or fewer workers are exempt from the requirement. [I][B] HELP FOR SMALL BUSINESSES:[/B][/I] Businesses with 25 or fewer employees that offer health coverage to their work force will get tax credits. The credits will start this year and rise in 2014 to a maximum of 50 percent of the cost of premiums offered by the smallest businesses, those with 10 or fewer workers. [B] SUBSIDIES FOR INDIVIDUALS:[/B] The aid is available on a sliding scale for households making up to four times the federal poverty level, $88,200 for a family of four. Premiums for a family of four making $44,000 will be capped at around 6 percent of income. [B] HOW YOU CHOOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE:[/B] Small businesses, the self-employed and the uninsured could pick a plan offered through new state-based purchasing pools called exchanges, opening for business in 2014. The exchanges will offer the same kind of purchasing power that employees of big companies benefit from. People working for medium-to-large firms will not see major changes. But if they lose their jobs or strike out on their own, they may be eligible for subsidized coverage through the exchange, and insurers could not deny them coverage. [B] HOW IT'S PAID FOR:[/B] The legislation cuts about $455 billion over 10 years from projected payment increases to hospitals, insurance companies and others under Medicare and other government health programs. Revenue increases over 10 years include: $210 billion from increasing the Medicare payroll tax; $107 billion from fees on insurance companies, drug makers and medical device manufacturers; $32 billion from the excise tax on high-value insurance plans; and $2.7 billion from a tax on indoor tanning services. [B] GOVERNMENT-RUN PLAN:[/B] No government-run insurance plan. People purchasing coverage through the new insurance exchanges will have the option of signing up for national plans overseen by the federal office that manages the health plans available to members of Congress. Those plans will be private, but one would have to be nonprofit. [B] ABORTION:[/B] The bill tries to maintain a strict separation between taxpayer dollars and private premiums that would pay for abortion coverage. No health plan will be required to offer coverage for abortion. In plans that do cover abortion, policyholders would have to pay for it separately, and that money would have to be kept in a separate account from taxpayer money. States could ban abortion coverage in plans offered through the exchange. Exceptions would be made for cases of rape, incest and danger to the life of the mother. [I]Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.[/I][/release] Bolded, highlighted, and Italicized accordingly so people can pick out what they care about the most.

The idea is nice, the bill needs work. Namely allowing insurance companies to sell over state lines without having to follow different sets of rules. That would fix a lot.

If only the government would have allowed the people to buy health insurance out of state, because its proven that competition will drive prices down. Thus allowing more people to get insurance and allowing more coverage with out the government.

22 here with a part-time job. This affected me in a POSITIVE way. Now I can return to being a dependent on my parents' plan so I can get a cyst removed from my wrist without the enormous expenses that I can't afford. [QUOTE=Rich209;20968338]I hate the health care, our founding fathers would be disgusted to see the direction were heading. Though I hate it, I still have to respect the President. Were founded on a country despite the directions we are took on, we must still show respect.[/QUOTE] Having health care is a civil right. I'm pretty sure they would be proud.

I wish you would have made a "don't know" option. Because i don't follow these things but wanted to know what most others thought.

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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;20968185]I just wish we had a system like Canada, or the United Kingdom, or Australia, or... You get the point.[/QUOTE] Having been born in Canada and spending a good time of my life there. I didn't really like the system they had. Maybe it was because we are a "wealthy" family and could afford the ridiculous American prices for great health care. I preferred the American system because we had no trouble paying for it. Hell my fathers Government job payed for an extensive 200 thousand dollar ecoli bill. I can see how less fortunate people might not like the extreme prices, but for me, it worked. I've had a shitload of medical problems. [editline]10:39PM[/editline] And yes, the bill needs a lot of work. I think they could have came up with something better if they fined tuned it a lot more.

[QUOTE=Rich209;20968403]If only the government would have allowed the people to buy health insurance out of state, because its proven that competition will drive prices down. Thus allowing more people to get insurance and allowing more coverage with out the government.[/QUOTE] And it's... GASP... a power that the Constitution gave to the government. I love how they choose to do the most unconstitutional thing imaginable, but they refuse to do something that is word for word in the document.

Garbled? It's close enough to being bullet-pointed. It goes over every key detail and explains the new changes.

[QUOTE=Panda X;20968414]I don't think anyone's going to read that garbled mess (if the haven't already).[/QUOTE] Made it so they can pick out certain areas they aren't familiar with. [editline]09:42PM[/editline] And if they haven't they shouldn't complain without evidence.

[QUOTE=djshox;20968405] Having health care is a civil right. I'm pretty sure they would be proud.[/QUOTE] No it isn't. You can't demand that anyone provide a service to you for free. I'm pretty sure Jefferson or somebody said something like that. A right is something you can demand.

I just wish they'd stop rushing to get shit done. That's my main problem with Obama's administration, they can't slow down and fine-tune anything for shit. It seems like he can't sit still for a moment and take everyone's opinions down without bitching about them.

[QUOTE=djshox;20968443]Garbled? It's close enough to being bullet-pointed. It goes over every key detail and explains the new changes.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Tyler_Durden;20968452]Made it so they can pick out certain areas they aren't familiar with. [editline]09:42PM[/editline] And if they haven't they shouldn't complain without evidence.[/QUOTE] I meant the way it's posted. It's unclean and bunched together.