Inspired by this thread: [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1023876-World-War-2-Infantry-information[/url].
I decided to post information about landships during World War I. Landships could be considered the predecessors of tanks, and were created during World War I by various militaries in an attempt to create a new devastating weapon that could cross no man's land. Information courtesy of: [url]http://www.landships.freeservers.com/[/url]
[b]K-Wagen[/b]
[img]http://www.landships.freeservers.com/kwagen_2_small.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.landships.freeservers.com/kwagen_3_small.JPG[/img]
In June 1917, before the first A7V:s were even completed, the German War Ministry ordered the construction of a new colossal super-tank, the biggest tank ever designed: the K-Wagen! (K standing for Kolossal, meaning... colossal.) The K-Wagen was thought as a enormous moving fortress bristling with guns and MG:s, to be used in break-through situations. The weight was some 150 tons, and it would be powered only by two small 200 HP motors! (Later on these two tiny motors were switched for two 650 HP motors.) The enormous weight of the vehicle of course made it impossible to move any longer distances, so it was to be transported by rail in four parts of some 30 tons each, only to be put together behind the front line, at the point were it was to be employed. The K-Wagen was also supposed to have a trench crossing capacity of some 4 meters, and no less than four 77mm cannons. The design was done by Vollmer.
[b]Flying Elephant Tank[/b]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Flying_Elephant_-_Bovington_-_1.jpg[/img]
Most major tank building nations have been seduced by the superheavy tank concept. A few monstrosities from the Second World War, such as the Germans’ 188-ton Maus, are well known, but it is not so widely appreciated that scarcely had the first experimental tanks undergone trials during the Great War than plans were set in motion to build 100-ton-plus behemoths. Appearing in most accounts as little more than a footnote was a British attempt to build a shellproof tank, known to posterity as the Flying Elephant. The first serious (as opposed to purely paper) project for a hundred-ton tank, the Flying Elephant was no mere whimsy or exercise in gigantism for its own sake, and nor was it a proposal merely to build a handful of monster machines, as appeared to be the case with the bloated German K-Wagen (an early manifestation of the notorious German obsession with size). The Flying Elephant was to represent a new class of tank, and the vehicle’s role developed beyond the initially somewhat vague, but understandable, desire for a shellproof tank for its own sake into something rather more interesting.
[b]Frot-Laffly Landship[/b]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/24/Frot_Laffly_28_March_1915.jpg/300px-Frot_Laffly_28_March_1915.jpg[/img]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/76/Rouleau_cuirasse_Paul_Frot.jpg/300px-Rouleau_cuirasse_Paul_Frot.jpg[/img]
The Frot-Laffly landship, also Frot-Turmel-Laffly landship (French:Char Frot-Turmel-Laffly, also Rouleau cuirassé Paul Frot), was an early French experimental tank (but without tracks), or landship, designed and built from December 1914 to March 1915, preceding the design and development of the English Little Willie tank by about nine months.
None of them match the Tsar Tank though.
[img]http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/russian-tsar-tank.jpg[/img]
Holy shit did they ever make one of those?
[QUOTE=IwuvWafflez;25955745]Holy shit did they ever make one of those?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but only 1
I can only imagine that tsar tank as being a scare tactic. It looks very impractical.
Are you talking about tanks or landships or what? Make up your mind!
You say they are the predecessors of tanks, but were built AFTER the tank was invented, what are you talking about?
Landship? How about land battleship.
[img]http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=2605&behemoth-tank.jpg[/img]
The story about all 3 prototypes is fairly interesting.
[url]http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=4693[/url]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;25954764]None of them match the Tsar Tank though.
[img_thumb]http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/russian-tsar-tank.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Muddy ground matched it. It got its wheels stuck on the first day and stayed there for the rest of the war.
[QUOTE=rnate;25956161]Landship? How about land battleship.
[img_thumb]http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=2605&behemoth-tank.jpg[/img_thumb]
The story about all 3 prototypes is fairly interesting.
[url]http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=4693[/url][/QUOTE]
That behemoth tank was proven fake, would've been cool though. It sprung up when some fiction writer wrote a description about and put together a photo-shopped picture.
Nice hotlinking OP.
[img]http://www.downloadmunkey.net/images/rt-02.jpg[/img]
WW2, but somewhat related, the Landkreuzer 1000 Ratte. Never produced.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte[/url]
[QUOTE=rnate;25956161]Landship? How about land battleship.
[img_thumb]http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=2605&behemoth-tank.jpg[/img_thumb]
The story about all 3 prototypes is fairly interesting.
[url]http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=4693[/url][/QUOTE]
omg is that real
[editline]9th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rick Ross;25957679][img_thumb]http://www.downloadmunkey.net/images/rt-02.jpg[/img_thumb]
WW2, but somewhat related, the Landkreuzer 1000 Ratte. Never produced.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte[/url][/QUOTE]
That looks SOOOO awesome.
[QUOTE=Rick Ross;25957679][img_thumb]http://www.downloadmunkey.net/images/rt-02.jpg[/img_thumb]
WW2, but somewhat related, the Landkreuzer 1000 Ratte. Never produced.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte[/url][/QUOTE]
I can't honestly see that ever being a realistic idea / german contraption. That tank would have been totally impractical Europe is riddled with small towns and cities. It wouldnt work.
The P1500 was more impressive.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/P1500_Monster.gif[/img]
This beast was to contain atleast 100 crew members in one land vessel.
Look at the shell, in comparison to the soviet T34
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/80_cm_Gustav_shell_compared_to_T-34.jpg[/img_thumb]
Would just be flat out impressive to see these in battle.. or even produced. But the germans learned from the Maus that these would destroy their roads, bridges, land, and were very impractical. But none the less, impressive.
[QUOTE=rnate;25956161]Landship? How about land battleship.
[img_thumb]http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/image.php?&aid=2605&behemoth-tank.jpg[/img_thumb]
The story about all 3 prototypes is fairly interesting.
[url]http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=4693[/url][/QUOTE]
It's obviously fake, the photo is just a bunch of stringed together T-28 hulls.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;25959410]The P1500 was more impressive.
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/P1500_Monster.gif[/img_thumb]
This beast was to contain atleast 100 crew members in one land vessel.
Look at the shell, in comparison to the soviet T34
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/80_cm_Gustav_shell_compared_to_T-34.jpg[/img_thumb]
Would just be flat out impressive to see these in battle.. or even produced. But the germans learned from the Maus that these would destroy their roads, bridges, land, and were very impractical. But none the less, impressive.[/QUOTE]
That thing is beastly.
While the Germans drew some pretty pictures of "Super Heavy Tanks", The British actually made one.
meet the TOG2
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/TOG2_Tank_Bovington.jpg[/img]
They aren't really landships either, just the first attempts at super heavy tanks. A proper landship would probably have sleeping quarters and other services so that a standing crew could remain on it for long periods of time.
[QUOTE=Violetta;25959575]It's coming!
[img_thumb]http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturess/rat200.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
lol another pretty picture :v:
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;25959410]The P1500 was more impressive.
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/P1500_Monster.gif[/img_thumb]
This beast was to contain atleast 100 crew members in one land vessel.
Look at the shell, in comparison to the soviet T34
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/80_cm_Gustav_shell_compared_to_T-34.jpg[/img_thumb]
Would just be flat out impressive to see these in battle.. or even produced. But the germans learned from the Maus that these would destroy their roads, bridges, land, and were very impractical. But none the less, impressive.[/QUOTE]
I've been looking for a picture of that for a while.
Sonofabitch used the same cannon as the Heavy Gustav
[img]http://www.strange-mecha.com/german/army/dora-gustav.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Birdman101;25959756]I've been looking for a picture of that for a while.
Sonofabitch used the same cannon as the Heavy Gustav
[img_thumb]http://www.strange-mecha.com/german/army/dora-gustav.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Imagine that coming down your block.
[QUOTE=Birdman101;25959756]I've been looking for a picture of that for a while.
Sonofabitch used the same cannon as the Heavy Gustav
[img_thumb]http://www.strange-mecha.com/german/army/dora-gustav.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
In Australia at the War Memorial we got a picture of one of the Train cannons off the one Australia captured in WW-1
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Amiens_gun_17Jan08.JPG[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;25959986]Imagine that coming down your block.[/QUOTE]
I would [B]lol[/B] at it and the people having to lay tracks infront of it. the fact that It wouldn't be able to hit me either would make me laugh.
[IMG]http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2670/germanengineering.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Dragon Master;25960266]I would [B]lol[/B] at it and the people having to lay tracks infront of it. the fact that It wouldn't be able to hit me either would make me laugh.
[img_thumb]http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2670/germanengineering.gif[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Till it runs over your building.
or it could run [b]you over[/b]. Consider that.
Word War... Making things bigger each time!
[QUOTE=Dragon Master;25960266]I would [B]lol[/B] at it and the people having to lay tracks infront of it. the fact that It wouldn't be able to hit me either would make me laugh.
[img_thumb]http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2670/germanengineering.gif[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Pretty sure it'd be covered in a shittonne of machine guns.
[QUOTE=Bombardier.;25961505]Pretty sure it'd be covered in a shittonne of machine guns.[/QUOTE]
Machine guns and probably smaller tank guns.
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