Fast Anime V #101 - Film, Television and Music

If you're going to support Goblin Slayer, at least don't act like the rape is in there for anything more than shock value and to up the edge.

It's not the new thing to shit on goblin slayer because it's always been fucking terrible.

What a terrible argument. Do you have a more insightful opinion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c GS ain't no damn masterpiece not even by a long shot, but terrible? That just ain't the case, at least imo. It's ok. Wut, where'd you get that idea?? Afik there is no such thing in GS.

I mean, it's a staple of high fantasy. Nothing indicated it as such and nothing indicated otherwise.

I have enjoyed Goblin Slayer myself so I am not saying it's bad, but no one watching it will think those ugly bastard might be nice beings and having the rape scene depicted to make them "more evil" is entirely pointless while just comes off as cheap edgy shockers. Plus "Goblins are evil" aren't even the reason the MC kills goblins so that couldn't even be the reason they have this scene either. Considering it's origin as an one-off short story on an image board, I can look past all the flaws in its setting and enjoy the story. But it can't be denied that the portrayal of goblins is really terrible and go against the setting itself, especially as a deadly threat to newbies. If the goblins are as dangerous as they're currently shown in the story, no sane guild or organization would let newbies do those goblin slaying quest since if they fails and get caught, they might further increase the danger of the mission. Guilds would've ordered/paid high rewards to experienced experts to clear out the goblins as they could become a huge problem if left untended as shown later in the story. That's like asking a bunch of drunk hobos in the streets to take care of the termites infestation in your house, it's probably not gonna work and might ends up horribly. Having the goblin outsmart people is a terrible decision and make the rest of the world dumber as a result. There is honestly no need to make the goblin seem more evil as they were to make readers interested, having a dude who has killing goblin as his life goal is already interesting by itself. Why the dude kill goblins is already a plot point by itself and having a group of semi-competent people getting slaughtered and raped is really pointless and serve not much to the Goblin Slayer's story. Even if they really need some dumb asses who died at the beginning at the story, they shouldn't have the goblin outsmart them. Instead, have them outdumb the goblins like using a long spear in a small cave or didn't even bring torches to fight in a dark place. Stuffs like that would've make the story more reasonable. They really should've focused on the pest control aspect of the goblins, where they are just a small nuisance as they mess up farmlands or kidnap the occasional lone traveler but not a real threat. Then Goblin Slayer being seen as a weirdo among the others would've become more sensible since he's like the guy who fights cockroaches with a full hazmat suit and a flamethrower and that's a much more interesting setting imo. Also the anime is just simply a terrible adaptation. The Goblin Slayer's armor is depicted as covered in filth and blood as part of his tactics and one reason why he's seen as a strange dude, yet the anime have his armor be clean and even shiny while still having other dudes comments on how 'disgusting' he is. It's ridiculous lol. The whole rape part of the story didn't exist in the original story so I am pretty sure it's added to just so it could get picked up by publishers for the shock value and overlook all the problems within the settings. Hence why it's absolutely distasteful and out of place.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/596/283df6eb-34f0-4818-929d-f710d6f20642/Screenshot_MX_Player_20181015-224353.png This is dumb but it makes me smile

Well that was a dumb assumption on your part then, eh? Fair enough, at least you put effort into your argument. You make decent points.

It needs to prove that it's not generic Isecai. It's not on me to expect it to subvert my expectation. It's supposed to subvert them. For now, all attempts are poor.

Huh? how is GS Isekai?

Gah, it's not. You're right. There's just been so much RPG-fantasy-world-Isecai out there that I almost forgot that it's just an RPG-Fantasy-World. But honestly, I agree with Jason mostly. The introduction is poor, I haven't learned almost anything about the world in the first episode, and all I saw is 2 rape scenes and some stabbing. In fact, I can hardly remember anything important from the downtime parts of the first episode.

That's why I said they should've just followed the original story and start with Goblin Slayer and Priestess slaying goblins, then follow up with the Cow Girl waking up and all that rest as the first episode, instead of introducing a bunch of pointless stuff like goblins rape lmao in the first and have the tension come to a stop in the second eps. I guess this part does it's job well by attracting a bunch of attention via the controversy, though I am not sure if it'll do any good to the reputation of the story. Seeing how this industry works, maybe it wouldn't get picked up in the first place if not for the shock value.

Well it's pretty obvious they're following the manga then.

Goblin Slayer, good or bad, has consistently been noticed first as a manga then as an anime first and foremost for being really edgy and having rape in the first chapter for shock value. People go "wow, so dark, so gritty" and it succeeds in grabbing their attention. There's a reason why it's the first thing people talk about other than "dude he's goblin slayer he slays goblins". If you don't want to be judged on your first impression then you don't have rape as your first impression, because there's no real reason why you couldn't have just had the adventurers get slaughtered if you wanted just darkness in your story.

I would just like to point out that there a plenty of anime that have shit first episodes but end up being good. That said, I do agree with that sentiment. Used to be in FA the general rule was to give an anime a chance by watching at least 3 episodes. If you still didn't like it by the third episode you dropped it and that was that. Obliviously there are exceptions such as a first episode being so terrible as to be unwatchable but I would hardly consider GS's first episode to be unwatchable, personally.

Despite the LN adaptation also having the adventurers dying part, it didn't put me off that much because I enjoyed the original story and it wasn't that much of a focus in the book. But the way the manga and anime put the spotlight on this part really leave a bad taste to me even as someone who liked the series.

rape is in both the ln and manga, it just didn't visually describe it/show it like it does in the anime.

We're getting so many shitty LNs with lazy video game derived worlds or mechanics that people seem to not really comprehend the idea of a conventional fantasy anymore.

lord of the rings is my favorite isekai

One Punch Man is the best isekai.

Name any. Seriously, name a single show with a garbage first episode that gets good later.

Well I can't name any off the top of my fuckin head. I've watched literally hundreds of shows over many many years and you expect me to remember if I liked the first episode of all of them? If it's not an accusation why are you even asking? It's obviously because you don't believe me or you wouldn't have said anything. I'm not re-watching my entire library. ""Name any." "name a single show" Bro, that couldn't be more accusatory if you tried. But I know what you'll say to this "Oh you just can't name any because there are non! Ha!". In which case it probably wouldn't have matted what I said in the first place.

i thought Hunter x Hunter's first episode was awful but i stuck with it thanks to the 3 episode rule and it got better

to be fair there is a few show i scrolled through my list but theres no main, most of them i went well yeah, it didn't get any better only ones i found that had a either bad first episode (compared to the second) or just had a really slow start were Youjo senki, first episode wasn't great, 2nd episode was the good start Shion no ou, didnt get into the meat of it till episode 3 i think in a very huge push, cause no one else watched it as far as i know is classroom of the elite, where the start is damn terrible and the island arc bit actually had some good stuff in it and thats 3 out of 275

Well, I posted those accusatory lines and then edited my post because I realized I came off wrong. I've seen over 1000 things on my MAL list, I honestly can't remember very many shows where I've watched the first episode and gone "wow this was awful" and had my opinion change, because it's pretty hard to remember exactly how you felt about 1000 shows. Yes, my point was that very few shows can start bad and get good later, if you can't come up with a single answer it does kind of prove my point, even I can think of a few examples if I look at my list and jog my memory, you don't have to rewatch a show to remember how you feel about it. for example, lucky star's first 6 episodes were trash but then the director changed and it good way better and actually become funny, or what hakita said with hxh. Do you honestly think I'm an immature child who would go "Haha, I have won the argument on the internet with my flawless scheme to trick him into looking wrong!" there's no point in asking a question if I don't want an answer, but instead of even trying to back up your point you just tried to make me out as some kind of asshole who doesn't even deserve a response.

Kemono Friends first episode was barely watchable compared to the rest of the show imo

Yeah, I agree with Youji Senki first episode being sort of poor attempts at showing the setting. But I mean, at least it stayed classy about it.

Madoka Magica's first episode hide's the show's strength. The first episode of Fate/Zero (also written by Gen Urobuchi) is also a bit of a slog.

Showing the setting? It does a great job at doing that, that's actually the problem is that its basically just establishing the world so we learn almost nothing about our main character aside from the most superficial of traits. Episode 2 does more world building from a historical angle, but predominately focuses on the main character's history and motivations which is why people tend to like it more.

Lot of people say that about fate/zero but I don't agree, I think it moves at a very good pace for how much of it is just exposition. also I don't mean a show that has a first episode that's worse than the rest, I mean a show with a first episode that is bad compared to the rest, like unwatchable bad. Obviously a lot of that would be subjective.

The first episode of Fate/Zero is arguably unwatchably bad since it is just guys talking back and forth about Fate jargon. It's an important episode so you can't skip it meaning I always have to put a disclaimer when I recommend it to someone.