The Doctor Who Spoilers and Speculation Thread V3 - "Oh, brilliant." - Film, Television and Music

weird, almost like racist people are illogical and can't see through their hate or something

I think it's more likely just poor writing

What a mature and well handled episode. It to me shows the difference in how Moffat and Chibnall handle the series. In Thin Ice there's a little bit of talk about racism in the 19th century, but it doesn't really come to much and isn't treated seriously. Sutcliff comes off as cartoonish when he rants about Bill. In Rosa on the otherhand, it felt like there was actual danger for the characters, and that it wasn't just a throwaway thing. I was shocked at the start when that dude threatened to lynch Ryan, like god-damn was that powerful. Not to mention actually tying it back to today, making Rosa Park's story relevant still. I was almost in tears at the end because you could tell Graham and the rest didn't want to have a part in helping enable that driver be a racist shitbag. It was really good.

Fucking hell that was fantastic. Went in with low expectations and fear from previous episodes that touched upon race like Thin Ice. I was really amazed at this episode, it handled it extremely really and it was just, so much fun to watch. I learnt a whole lot of new historical shit thanks to this episode and god damn, it was just really interesting and fun to watch. Series 11 might be my favourite season of Nu-Who.

May already be my favourite third episode of a series since 2005. Though the competition isn't that great, but well done to Blackman all the same. I was never in any doubt that a Chibnall-led series would be pretty good with humans. Chibnall can handle humans.

The only issue I have with Rosa is why didn't Krasko just use his time travel gun thing on Rosa?

6.39m last night - everything took a hit thanks to F1, should be a good catch-up figure regardless if the reaction to the episode is anything to go by. The X Factor down to 4m. What a time to be alive.

What's with the weird yellow filter over everything in the new season? It's reminding me of the bloom usage in the first few seasons in a bad way.

The Doctor sabotaged it and he did say that he was on a 'mission' so he may have been tasked only to disrupt time rather than to harm her or take her out of her time period completely

Only two days before did a white man refuse to be seated next to a black woman on a flight, and successfully demanded that she be moved. Hope all the kids watching took note of Rosa.

Honestly, I feel like if Moffat was doing this episode, he'd fuck it up big time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRQp5WOzYxg I mean this scene is pretty much played for laughs. "Isn't it sooo wacky for the doctor to say one thing, to be nice and what not, but then to punch a guy xD" I mean I assume he means the best deep down in this scene, but it's just comes off as a Comedy scene and not serious. Plus the Female Regeneration in Curse of the Fatal Death was also played for laughs.

I don't think the Thin Ice scene is particularly "wacky" per say, it just isn't as grounded as Rosa. It's a different tone and obviously lighter but I don't think that makes it instantly bad - just different writers trying to achieve different things (and I think it's good Rosa - and really a lot of series 11 - went for different in this case, to be clear).

I definitely don't think it was wacky, but the episode was definitely trying to tackle racism in the past: BILL: Melanin. DOCTOR: Yes? BILL: Slavery is still totally a thing. DOCTOR: Yes, so it is. BILL: It might be, like, dangerous out there. DOCTOR: Definitely dangerous. BILL: So, how do we stay out of trouble? DOCTOR: Well, I'm not the right person to ask. and then later on BILL: Interesting. DOCTOR: What is? BILL: Regency England. Bit more black than they show in the movies. DOCTOR: So was Jesus. History's a whitewash. So I think it's fair to say that they tried to tackle the issue, but it came off very cartoonishly.

Get a load of this guy https://youtu.be/fWynZcOTXWk

"Who's Rosa Parks?" My dad, on watching last night's episode

Having the guy threaten to lynch Ryan right out of the gate was absolutely shocking and surreal to see in Doctor Who, it was like a bomb went off right at the start of the episode and you were put on notice that they weren't fucking around. I loved it, and even moreso than the previous episodes, I got the strong feeling that we're not watching the same show we were watching last season - and that's brilliant. My only real complaint was yet again a pretty out-of-the-blue plot resolution (bad guy gets zapped).

I'm still not sure about Ryan zapping that guy back into the past. Sort of feels like murdering him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr8v-AxE5tQ

I assumed the Doctor was gonna be mad and they would go back in time to rescue him and take him back to Stormcage. But she was just like cool beans

I have a feeling that isn't the last we will see of him

All the baddies so far have teleported away. Could be a setup for some big finale, although it would be slightly weird to have the relatively grounded racist time traveller man appear on screen with toothboi from episode one

Could be a bit like what Missy was doing in the Nethersphere - The Timeless Child is going back and forth picking villains up and moving them somewhere where they can do more damage

In this episode: White man making a very credible threat to have a black man lynched. Also in this episode: A joke about using a black man as a pinata. In this episode: Great importance being placed on a black woman refusing to give up her seat in an unjust system. Also in this episode: The above scene underscored by a song with "rise up" repeated in the chorus. I liked the episode, I'm just being silly here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mfddueg8os Jodie's definitely growing on me as 13.

https://youtu.be/1qo44wbpvNQ

Liking the season so far, but god do I miss Murray Gold.

I started crying when the first few moments of Vale played before Capaldi's regeneration. I've found there's a few really nice hidden gems that no one seems to talk about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emrzubhrk3I When listening to this and looking back on the past thirteen (heh) years, there's honestly not a thing I'd change. Doctor Who had a huge influence over me growing up, and there's been plenty of surprises along the way like Eccleston's regeneration. Not being allowed to watch all of the episodes, it's been fun this year going through the entire series and watching the beginning of jokes like 10's love affair with Queen Elizabeth, or seeing Satan Pit for the first time. This series inspired my love of sci-fi, and every day as silly as this is, I'm always secretly hoping to find a little blue box standing on a street corner, waiting for an adventure. Not every season can be fantastic, and there's been quite a few stinkers over the past few years. Yet it wasn't entirely awful, Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline, Zygon Invasion and Inversion, Face the Raven, Heaven Sent and The Husbands of River Song will remain among my favourite episodes. Seeing Jodie's entrance as the Doctor and the recent explosion in popularity, watching how the series can be used to uplift and inspire more people... it's a lot like how it was when I first fell in love with it. For that, I couldn't rewrite any of these times, not one line. The slate is clear for a whole new group of people to love what I have loved and it is going to be fantastic. I finally saw Twice Upon a Time a few hours ago, so maybe I'm just being sentimental. Having turned 20 this year, and this year almost coming to a close, it was a good farewell to my childhood, and a hello to a whole new world of adventures. Here's to another thirteen years, everyone.

Ooh I just remembered I don't think I've seen anyone mention this, anyone else notice Krasko knocked four times on the TARDIS in Rosa?

I'm thinking it's probably just a coincidence.It isn't really the Master's style to be a massive space racist (spacist for short).

Yeah I assume it was just a cheeky reference