The "death" that Maeve got is a trigger variable. She depleted her health points, but her unit has not been damaged.
In a sense, she can respawn.
I was wondering what the hell happened with William and then got ruined by that post-credits atom bomb.
Good stuff.. Kind of want to re-watch both seasons for hidden context..
Also were the coordinates for the upload real?
Except for Sizemore
Unless he actually didn't die when he got filled with lead, somehow.
Wowee, what a ride
a man can dream
Jesus Christ the last episode so far more hilarious when you consider that only hosts could see the "crack" in reality. And our two technician friends that accompanied Maeve go like this:
-Whoa, she've just stoped all those hosts to save her daughter!
-But where will they go now? they are on the edge of this fucking cliff?!
-...
-OH NO!
I thought I understood where we were, how we got there and what will happen then the post-credit scene happend and now I'm more confused then ever.
It's a far far future timeline, starts when william picks up from ground near entry to Forge (althought his previous adventures, including murder of daughter happen too there), he's a human in a host body on a loop for establishing fidelity out of quest for redemption, attempting to change something about his cornerstone expirience - death of daughter by his own hands. But apparently he did not succeed even soo far since he still ends up at Forge with Daughter's dead and hand blown away. it's his inevetable baseline, just like Delos had his with Logan.
Human William passed out near forge's entry, got picked up by Delos team, his demise is unknown.
that was a seriously l o o n g fucking episode damn. felt like I'd watched a movie rather than an actual tv episode. still, loved it though, especially the music, cant wait for that to release.
It was 90 minutes long, which is roughly the average runtime of a movie.
Ford had a game for MiB, the post credit scene revealed what the game was.
The post credit scene has already been explained by the people who worked on the show, it's linked above and that is where karimatrix got their info.
so [sp]wtf is up with stubbs? that whole conversation at the end made it almost seem like he maybe knew what ford was up to all along, and he somehow knew dolores was hale? or is he a fuckin host? or did that weird chat and the smile at the end just mean nothing and im thinking into it way too much[/sp]
s2 finale spoilers
and just like last year, the season ended with the man in black smirking
im pretty sure stubbs isn't a host, but just had a lot more knowledge about all that was going on than he has led everyone else to believe. he definitely knew that wasn't hale but a host, as he was saying his job was only to protect (or however he phrased it) the hosts inside the park and that his true allegiances were to Ford and not to Delos or even just being in QA
So in the early S2 episode engineer Costa says that some of the host brains are "virgin" like they never held data, was that a red herring to throw us off because they aren't new, their data was just transferred to the simulation so that made it look like they never had anything to begin with?
Also has Westworld fallen into the trap that characters never dies and when they do die they are resurrected, taking a great deal of the drama away.
Also also I just got the 1973 Westworld film on blu ray, curious to see the differences and similarities.
the director of the ep basically confirmed that he shot that scene assuming he was a host, but he can't speak for whether or not that's what jonah/lisa believe
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I've started watching Season 2, I thought the first two episodes were a bit weak and felt like they were doing the same as in season 1 but slightly different; however episodes 3 and 4 blew me away and gave me much hope for a worthy sequel to season 1 again. Just me? Can't wait to see the rest.
The season overall has it's ups and downs but imo it's definitely a worthy follow-up to season 1.
"The Valley Beyond" is what seems to be true death in the Westworld universe for Hosts. For humans, I'd say that standard death is death because their host counterparts still aren't perfect enough (it's like a state of eternal decay).
The post-credits scene in the Forge looked like something straight out of Portal 2.
Okay so I finished the second season and looking back I hated the plot
I'm just gonna make up my own head canon that the second season ended with the security and administrators arriving and shutting down every host at the very beginning, Ford was just crazy and wanted hosts to wreak havoc, and the human scanning hats never existed, it was just a fancy amusement park. Also, fuck "I can read humans" characters. I'm not watching season 3 if it happens
Just binged through the last few episodes of season 2 and I'm still decompressing all this information and trying to make sense of it
I really loved S1 and was really optimistic about S2 & was willing to overlook some of the tedious portions but I feel like it's getting into m night shyamalan tier twists now. I'm not happy
While I missed the level of mystery and twists s1 had, I still loved s2. I don't really get all this negativity towards it.
Personally this season's finale basically confirmed the trend of the whole second season: there are several moments which were well-written and paid off when it came to plot progression, and then there was the shit. Thankfully for me, since the finale is a hour and a half long, this time around the good kinda overwhelmed the bad.
The two biggest qualms I have with it are William's character arc basically going fucking nowhere after episodes of build-up and the Delos Forces once again revealing themselves as a mere plot device and nothing more.
The every ending of this finale left me puzzled and, I must say, a bit worried. The writers have already revealed they have at the very least two more seasons they want to produce, but it's not like the finale opened up so many narrative possibilities to build on, and I can't even see how they would revolve around Westowlrd (the park) anymore. The post-credits scene is even worse in this regard, because it implies, at the very least, that Delos and William's scheme to replicate huma beings using the hosts technology is being followed even many years after the disastrous events concerning the park from the second season, and I can't see how. Althought we may get a proper answer in the future.
If I had to rate Westworld's second season right here and now, I'd give it a 7/10.
My biggest problem with it was that the main premise of the whole thing, the conflict between the humans and hosts, was put on the sideline in favor of a pletora of character arks and twists/retcon with a wild degree of writing quality
The main aesop of the second season however kinda looses its impact when you stop to consider that:
The hosts who through the series achieve true self-awarness and self-consciousness either become effectively indistinguishable from humans (as far as general behaviour and reationality is concerned) or become fixated on a single detail from their previous loop or a newly created one, often to a fault (see both Dolores and Maeve for more details).
The hosts who can't or are prevented from achieving that are basically mind-raped into changing their mental patterns, either by humans or fellow hosts.
This is not the first time I lament I'd had preferred a far more grey approach in place of the very white and black morality the series tirelessly tries to enstablish through both seasons regarding the conflict between humans and hosts (see Robert Ford for more details)
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