• HBO's Westworld v2 - These Violent Delights
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So uh, the mansion in the finale... https://i.imgur.com/tXsKlBy.png
Season 1: The Maze Season 2: The Door Season 3: The Hinges
IMO, the character with the single biggest, and most free, growth throughout the show was Lee Sizemore.
I'm actually pretty disappointed at his ending. In my mind, he should've done the whole spiel but at the end instead of going "HERE I AM" and getting shot, he should've gone "okay", thrown the gun away and surrendered. It fit his characters much more, would've given the rest of the group time to escape, and would've been an excellent piece of comedic relief after his charade. Making it actually end in his death just doesn't work for me.
I agree, it was pretty stupid. I guess you could argue that he knew they would probably kill him/do something worse to him anyway when they found out he was helping hosts escape.
It really was stupid.. He really had a nice arc and to do him like that was just rude..They were waylaid by generic guards just doing rounds/securing the park he bought them enough time I just can't understand how he just leapt onto that hill and died without a purpose. Ironically, if he was arrested and brought before """Charlotte""" for judgement he might have gotten off scot-free for helping the hosts.
The one part I thought they did really well in that scene was the dichotomy of Sizemore both recognizing that he wrote the speech for Hector, but that Hector was also a free creature making his own choices. It stood out to me as a very nuanced moment where both the programmed and the free sides of the hosts and humans shined through.
Yeah guys, but the problem is that is a pretty pointless heroic sacrifice, considering that Maeve and her posse was getting away anyway and Sizemore apparently is known to the Delos Forces as an important staff member they should try to secure, so he could had held their attention enough so his "friends" could flee completely without going large-ham and let himself be shot on purpose. To me, it was a way to feign some final-stage character development which really wasn't there to begin with
i'll miss you elsie
This would have made a lot more sense. I feel like the first season was extensively pored over with heavy attention paid to every little detail and the writing through S2 felt increasingly rushed and poorly thought out. There were plenty of great moments but overall very little seemed to click into place and it seemed much more full of artificial plot devices than the first one.
I'm still confused as to what happened to Ford's game with William this season Unless it was Ford just fucking with William, as it started off with young ford talking to William and then went nowhere? Also have to wonder what Ford had planned if he wasn't straight up deleted by Bernard
The second season didn't help solve one of the greatest mystery of the series for me, by the way https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/225139/7fa984c2-aa6b-44e2-aa02-e2c602f1ed1c/Westworld-episode-3-Marti.jpg I really need to know of her fate, whatever it might be
You, uh, DID see the post-credits sequence, right?
Yeah it just didn't seem all that connected to what was being set up earlier in the season.
Yeah the post-creds didn't feel connected, unless all of williams scenes in s2 were him re-living events in the future? but idk if that'd make sense. Ford seemed to stop directly communicating to william after he left the cradle from what I could tell, I assume thats because he couldn't influence any of the hosts after he left?
Is it a longshot to call mostall previous encounters [old]William had with Ford into question? That is: most of those personal encounters he had were just another part of William's loop that he couldn't escape leading up to his defining tragic moment? That's perhaps the worst takeaway I saw but I couldn't necessarily substantiate... Most of the dialogue between them seemed like the standard cat & mouse but in the context of his fate it takes on a bit of a different meaning?
Finished season 2, it's really not as good as the first. Still solid, but there was a lot of shit. The Japan episodes were filler (and not always good). The Delos cloning episode seemed like filler at first, but at least it's given some importance afterwards. The Indian episode is obvious filler, and pretty weak at that. And a lot of stuff that happens with Hale and the response teams is filler. When you look at everything that's happened in this season, you realize it wasn't much. Everyone's going to the Valley Beyond, some stuff happens on the way but mostly not until they're there. Season 1's story felt more progressive. And its finale was better than this season's. Seems like they wanted to have a Game of Throne-styled finale and have some epic shit that didn't turn out to be that good anyway. Also, Maeve and Sizemore's character development and fate were very, very predictable in their entirety and their conclusion unsatisfying and cheap. Despite all that, when this season shines, it's really great. Thematically, it's a very worthy follow-up to Season 1. It's just that Season 1 was more consistently good.
It's set up so it could be either way. William's scenes in season 2 can be the actual events or William as a host reliving those experiences, there is no difference because that's how hosts remember. Like Dolores in season 1.
I thought it was rather out of tone with the rest of the series, and it was also very slow. It's like they added a whole new sub-plot right before the finale to give it some more weight. That said, I've been rethinking about this: what the hell happened to Giancarlo Esposito? Why was he there? Just as a red herring? Is he supposed to come back in the next season? I feel a little blueballed here.
The scene was just to establish that Ford is still at play, and to convey the theme of being replaced. Regarding Giancarlo Esposito, it's just a cameo I presume.
I was really expecting him to come back later in the season. Very disappointed that he wasn't.
Finally caught up the last 4 episodes and finished season 2. Regarding the post credits scene , it's been confirmed by the writers that it's set in the far far future. they have stated that it'll continue to be explored, but isn't the major timeline that will be shown in season 3.
I was really hoping the reveal would be that Dolores isn't free at all. Her "dangerous" attitude always came off really tryhardy, especially with the writers insisting on making every character talk in riddles - it was almost comedic at points, to tell you the truth.
So much narratives ending and starting in that finale. It was awesome, but boy did was I almost overwhelmed by all of it. Left me with a bittersweet feeling, and it leaves me wanting more answers.
oh man it took me way too long to realise why they dressed like this https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/110042/0d2a3e15-516e-4bb2-892a-7eaf813d6cf6/pasted image 0.png they didn't want the employees to contaminate the guest's dna that was to be harvested later
I don't think that is why they do it. It seems like they could get whatever data they needed through whatever the stupid hats are or some other means.
They talked about them collecting both DNA and brain scans
I'm pretty sure it's literally for biohazard issues, not DNA contamination. The hosts can get infections and stuff just like humans can. Maeve even had MRSA when they took her into the lab, I think it was the episode where she woke up on the table.
Last week I finished season 2. I had some free time and decided to finally give this show a try. I enjoyed the first season but the second one was ultimately a disappointment. The writing at times felt way too convenient for my taste. There were some special moments but less than in season 1. I wonder what they'll do in season 3.
My two cents on the show as a whole. Season 1: An investigation on how exactly ai creatures can obtain "free will". Plenty of red herrings and even commentary on if free will is as free as we think it is. Season 2: The tables turn and now the majority of the philosophy is on the short comings of human cognition vs ai cognition. Humans struggle to change their minds and personality flaws, while AI can do it seamlessly. [sp]Humans also crarry a guilt/truth seeking aspect of their mind known as god. The one thing almost all the ai fail to find except Bernard by the end. God being Anthony Hopkins.[/sp]
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