So yeah, If Memory Serves was total fan service, but I think it was an excellent episode regardless. Martin-Green finally got some decent writing to chew on, Culber's catharsis and emotional processing from everything he's gone through has been very believable and well done as well as providing Tyler with something to do besides whine to PIke and pine after Burnham.
The episode felt very Kurtzman driven, several parallels with the way storytelling has gone on in the JJ Abrams films. Ethan Peck is also doing a great job and at first impressions I want to say I like him more than Quinto, but that's again just my first gut impression. The scene where Burnham has to go through her memory of what she did to Spock was super well done and the set up to the rest of the season seems to be very strong. I'm really excited for everything that's coming next if this is the kind of show we're getting outside the influence of Fuller's people.
Also we showed Jose Tyler in the clips from "The Cage." Can we please get the lip service to connect Ash Tyler to him? Jose's character in the original story bible suggested he has mixed parentage.
The trailer for next week's episode
Discovery gets to S31's HQ, they get attacked by mines, they board the station, main power is out, everyone is dead and the Airiam starts attacking the away team
I'm feeling alien or Young Picard vibes from Evan.
His eyebrows scream vulcan/romulan already. And we already know it's gonna be about a lot of romulan shit.
Shinzon 2.0
https://youtu.be/a66erLL-kbg
@Tuskin , if you’re going to post trailers, please post the links as text or make sure the preview image doesn’t show anything from the upcoming episode.
It's not a timeline shift that alters the art-style of the series to better evoke TOS...
...but I want it to be.
Yeah they're never going to make it look like a 1960s Sci-Fi series.
By lining up they probably mean the basic lore, the story points.
alters the art style to better evoke tos =! go full in a mirror darkly and recreate tos 1:1
Next Week's episode...
D7, finally!
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Making it a prequel that takes place a few decades before tos was a terrible idea and no style tweaks are going to make it fit. You just kind of have to accept that discovery is going to retcon everything because the time for making the show feel consistent with prior shows is long gone.
Anyone who ever through it woukd match TOS 1:1 is delusional.
I never thought they should make the show look close to tos. But since that wasn't ever feasible, they should never have made a show that takes place during tos. They clearly wanted to make a show that feels more modern/futuristic, with tech far more advanced than what we see in tos, so why is it taking place before tos?
None of the tech is more significantly adavanced than TOS.
The only tech more advanced than TOS that we've seen is on the Section 31 ship, which has TNG Era (or slightly better) tech
There's holograms covering every corner of the ships, that are clearly much more advanced than anything in tos, and in some ways more advanced than tng (the holodeck was much more impressive but dsc certainly seems to have some kind of much more practical and useful hologram tech that can be downscaled a lot easier). Iirc some of the tech shown as commonplace in dsc was only just getting rolled out in ds9, and was treated as completely new. There's the spore drive which is clearly the new show trying to make stuff way more advanced than tos and coming up with contrived ways to make it make any sense. The AI systems on the ship seem pretty advanced compared to tos, almost bordering on general artificial intelligence. And there's also the augments on Airiam.
At the end of the day it's a sci find action show and I'm not particularly hung up about it doing its own little 'retcon everything to make it modern sci fi' thing, but all this tech would have fit far better if they just made it take place after the other shows, because trying to sell modern sci fi as somehow having continutiy with a show from the 60s is never going to be believable, particularly after tng did such a good job of bringing the franchise to a new era of television.
The TOS Enterprise had a holographic recreation room. So they existed in the 23rd century.
I don't think anyone on this thread is expecting Discovery to be 1:1 with the original series, and you don't need to start insulting people while arguing your point, just argue your point.
Discovery does have an issue with being a prequel that does very little evoke its origins in its art style.
Holographic technology has been present since TOS, correct. However, the paradigm of how the technology is used in Discovery vs TOS, and the rest of the franchise, is totally different.
Discovery is going to have more advanced technology than TOS, correct. The genre has evolved far too much to throw away many of the mechanisms that allow for an easy flow of storytelling. Even a fairly 1:1 series like Continues still has a little bit of TNG+ in its storytelling because it's simply the better way to get the same things to happen.
The big problem is that Discovery barely evokes TOS. At best, Discovery takes a lot of its cues from the TMP films, and even then, everything about the show feels pushed to the very edge of how off-brand it can be, while still being called Star Trek. There are exceptions, like the hand-props, but on the whole, Discovery eschews the vivid color palette, optimistic tone, and classical film-making sensibilities that traditional Star Trek has. In its place we have an angsty blue-gray science-fiction series that has done very little to refine or add to the franchise's mythos.
Star Wars prequels, in both the forms of I - III and KoTOR, do different things that evoke the themes and style of the Original Trilogy, and I would argue that they do a better job at being Star Wars than Discovery does at being Star Trek.
Star Trek will continue to evolve, but you shouldn't force an evolution by throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Soon
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God I can't wait for Thursday.
ohhhh godi'm getting a stronger and stronger feeling that they're gonna turn Control into a Borg origin story
Based on what we've seen so far, I disagree. Control doesn't care about life at all.
Anyways, next week's trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLo0NyBAINI
Mother fucking Enterprise bridge!
Control wants to become the perfect organism, the perfect being. Sounds pretty Borg now. Perhaps it changed protocol from destroying everything, to becoming perfect.
I still don't see it happening. Unless they send it back in time or something. The Borg have been around since at least the 1500s.
What I'm worried about is that we already know that Discovery can jump huge distances in space and time, and I can see the potential for the crew to maroon Control in the past, in the ass-end of the Delta Quadrant so it stays the hell away from Earth. We at least know that the plan to defeat Control is going to involve time travel in some way.
I found the ending of this week's episode hilarious because they're surrounded by Section 31 ships, and Michael's plan is to blow up Discovery.
This feels like something that will lead in to the "Calypso" Short Trek where Discovery is marooned in the distant future, for what specific purpose I don't know.
But at the beginning of the season we established that Discovery can easily jump tens of thousands of light-years in an instant. Why not simply jump across the galaxy while you plan your next move? The first two episodes were incredibly well focused on setting rules in a situation, "We can't do this because of that" and it feels like that got lost in the chaos of the producer change. Plot holes here and there which seem immediately solvable with the most basic of Star Trek technology. For me it makes the characters seem dumb.
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