Star Trek Megathread v3 - Discovery Makes Our Threat Ganglia Go Crazy - Film, Television and Music

Given he cites nothing, not a reliable source at all. The video is full of generalizations, opinions, and theories with very few facts given. I do think there is a weird rights tangle given that Discovery is made under Bad Robot, but if Star Trek Online can have Kelvin Timeline content, then the rights issues are likely hyperbolized. Will the Picard series be less visually "Berman-Trek" than we want, I think so. But this series is also an attempt to latch onto the audience Paramount and CBS has been largely ignoring, so I don't think we'll end up with something as artistically disconnected as Discovery. Star Trek still needs more of a writing kick in the ass than a dogmatic artistic vision. There needs to be an attempt made to rekindle the the original "spiritual" core of the franchise that you can see most strongly in TOS S1/2, TNG S3/4, and ENT S4. Going too far towards irreverency or a later Berman-era gentrified procedural only nets you Another Space Opera Series(tm), not new Star Trek.

Midnight's Edge is shit. Don't believe anything they say.

Midnight's Edge has been on point about a fair few things. You generally shouldn't always take them at face value and they seem to have a massive hateboner for the new Trek, but they're not entirely lying, clickbaity shits.

A lot of his video is clearly speculation. But there are some parts that are completely right. Like asshat CBS CEO, and Kurtzman and the licensee problem. I honestly would not be surprised at all if they were planning on killing the prime timeline.

There is no licence problem.

A lot of people seem to think Bad Robot are behind Discovery. Was there an early report that cited as much in Discovery's production, which spurred it?

They probably think that because of Alex Kurtzman's involvement with both.

No, CBS only owns the TV Portion and cannot touch the Kelvin movies, Paramount/Viacom owns Kelvin timeline stuff but can't touch prime timeline stuff unless they're working under a specific license. Which is why it was a big deal when there was the likely-hood of CBS and Paramount remerging.

No they have the rights to the movies, they just can't make them.

The original showrunner, Bryan Fuller, is like the root cause for a lot of the visual changes for the show: He told them to change the Klingons, he's the one who told John Eaves to not use round nacelles on Starfleet ships and to flatten their profiles, he was also the one who chose the base design for the Discovery herself IIRC. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/108621/c37b1fb3-124f-4752-8c8d-06d80df948dc/image.png Here's the source for the Klingon changes, I'll need to find the Starfleet ones again.

Started watching DS9 for the first time, not sure why I've left only DS9 for this long. It is incredible how strong the first season was and everyone keeps telling me that it gets even better. As a bonus, I'm using it as motivation to get my ass in shape. Can only watch it while treadmillin'. Its working great so far.

DS9's jump in quality is pretty amazing. Season 1 and 2 are good, then out of nowhere S3 gets amazing and stays pretty consistent until the end.

this guys are so fucking disingenuous almost any media project is going to have some drama behind the scenes, that's the nature of production. they hyper-focus on things they've already decided they don't like, often try to insert an "SJWs and diversity are taking over the media" message and act like mild behind the scenes difficulty is indicative of deep corruption

I saw this pointed out on Reddit, but when Mudd is beamed off Discovery at the ending of Episode 7, his transporter FX is different from Stella and her father's, now it might just be a mistake by the FX guys, but who knows. Mudd is in the middle. He disappears in a smoke like FX while the other two don't. His beam FX also starts and finishes faster https://i.imgur.com/UcBESz9.png

I'm going to bet it was just an FX mistake.

I dunno they got the other two right. They could have done it as a possible link to a later story if they bring him back. Mudd is getting a standalone short before Season 2 comes out.

The source you're looking for is in the Eaglemoss Discovery issue, I believe: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/132660/0e2a1762-7be5-43c4-a7c0-6b1898994fb1/IMG_20180820_145203.jpg https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/132660/8d9ca5b6-d55d-497c-a6cb-127fb656bc44/IMG_20180820_145218.jpg Sorry they aren't scans, just grabbed it off my shelf and took the pictures.

I want that model so much, that and the Shenzhou.

It really is great. I got 2 actually. One had the crooked saucer and nacelle flaw so they sent me a new one. Once I got the replacement I attempted to fix the other and ended up snapping part of the neck section. So now I have a clean one at home and a damaged one at work. It's a pretty great size but the new XL B completely dwarfs it in every dimension (and it's probably the second best XL out there right with the XL NX-01). I have a second XL B coming because the nacelles are crooked and I can't correct it. I'll probably "Generations" this XL: https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/132660/f1eb7e10-2d3b-45ae-b335-f6cc03565515/IMG_20180820_150402.jpg I don't subscribe since I only really like Earth ships. I basically have the entire Wolf 359 kit-bashes at work while the Enterprises stay home. The 359's are some of Eaglemoss's best works by far. The USS Buran will probably be my next one from them. Sucks you guys don't have a good distributor in Canada yet.

There are some hobby shops around here that stock them, or you can just buy them from online shops. Or ebay. Got the NX Refit off there.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnKdUPJh35j/?hl=en&taken-by=michael.chabon "Supreme Guardian of All #Trek Canon (and beloved colleague) #kirstenbeyer dropped some cosmographical science on the #untitledpicardproject writers’ room today. (Yes, I am having #somuchfun.)"

Interesting that it looks like Romulan space no longer exists in any form unless it's supposed to be the ellipse at the far end of the Beta Quadrant. In Star Trek Online, after the destruction of Romulus, the Star Empire split into two major factions, the reminds of the Star Empire's military and the Tal Shiar, and the Romulan Republic which formed out of Spock's Reunification movement (and eventually became the dominant Romulan power.) Also interesting that the map contains Borg transwarp hubs reaching into the Gamma Quadrant, the bottom conduit reaching back to what would be the transwarp hub that Voyager destroyed in "Endgame."

I wouldn't take that as hard canon for the show yet, it's just a rough sketch.

he edited the post to add this [Note to deep exegetes and wild speculators: this map represents only (and very roughly!) the status quo at the close of Voyager, the latest-set, as you know, of all the pre-existing tv series, and was executed purely as a visual aid for the edification of Professor Beyer’s colleagues.]

My memory is shite, what's the really wide greenish one?

None of them seem to be green to me. If you mean the centre one that's the Enterprise-J

@Tuskin is right, it's the J.

It's amazing what you can read into with misinformation, ha. No wonder the Romulans are cranky with an empire that small vs the other two major powers. It's still fascinating that there are Borg transwarp conduits into the Gamma Quadrant.

Doesn't surprise me, they had one near earth.

This is the kind of attitude from the Discovery crew that pisses me off. I that we owe it to the fans to keep in time with the technology that we have. So, whereas we all love TOS and the carboard sets that they had. If we did that and offered that up to all of you, I think you would be sadly disappointed in this day and age. And so keeping with the rhythm of the times and the technology that we have, with CAD, grafting, COC printing, and 3D printing. We are expanding our universe where no one has gone before. It's so sad that I was disappointed by the "cardboard" sets in "Relics," "Trials and Tribble-ations," and "In a Mirror, Darkly." Honestly those sets completely destroyed my enjoyment of those episodes, it was such a great misstep, and none of those episodes are held in high regard at all. I'm so glad we have CAD, grafting, COC printing, and 3D printing that can offer a bridge where you have to yell to heard across the room, and the captain has to walk to the front of the bridge to read the viewscreen. /s https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/247500/59be60ac-5a4a-4b69-8850-53b19aa87cf6/image.png Also, we have incorporated consoles, we do have lots of toggles and switches which are mixed in with technology from 2018. So, it’s an ode to The Original Series. Funny how I don't remember toggles being part of TOS console design. (I am glad that the Enterprise will have physical controls, I just hope the computer displays aren't predominantly blue, which it seems they will be. At least the ship won't controlled by light board sliders, TUC-style. Oh wait...) I would also like to add that I tend to keep very closely to the movies, as opposed to the 1960’s series, especially The Undiscovered Country, which is as advanced as they could get. The Enterprise really, before the movies, is a bunch of cardboard sets. So, there has to be come a point we can give you more advanced technology than you have in your living room, or I think you would be kind of bored. It's splitting hairs but technically the Final Frontier bridge was as advanced as the TMP-era got, no toggles, all touch-screen. I just can't get over this constant dismissal of TOS design as "cardboard." It's their excuse to ignore the visual design of the era, and we should feel lucky to get anything that resembles those "cardboard" designs. Herman Zimmerman didn't dump on TOS design when he created the visual language of the 24th century, and "In a Mirror, Darkly" proved the TOS-era isn't a creative hole to get stuck in. You want to create a modern vision of the future? Fine. Just do it without shitting over the creative core of your source material, stop being embarrassed by it.