Marvel Cinematic Universe thread: Worse numbering than IMs suits edition
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I agree, that was a pretty big challenge for the filmmakers. Whenever I rewatch Avengers I can't help but wonder how many suits Tony has in reserve at any one time, seeing as they often take a heavy beating. Nanobots also make sense from a character perspective, as Tony continuously strives for more accessible suits. Like you said, though, I wish they hadn't just skipped to the end of the tech's development.
If they still did one-shots like in Phase 1 an Iron Man 2007 style building and testing montage of the nano suits would be neat.
The nanobot suit is like, peak Iron Man, there's nowhere higher to go with how advanced his suit is without getting into absurdity like the 1-micron thin invisible suit or storing it in his bone marrow. I expect that Tony's story concludes with Infinity War/Endgame, so I think they wanted him to reach that peak before the end.
Is it bad that my level of hype for Endgame kind of hinges on whether or not they kill off Tony?
Like, I feel like that'd be the most obvious, boring way to raise the stakes and end his story, especially after the fake-out in Infinity War. It'd be so much more fascinating to have him willingly retire and start a family with Pepper, especially since his main character flaw since Iron Man 1 has been "I should've been the one to die in that cave, so I'm gonna tirelessly try to martyr myself over and over, accidentally creating Ultron and destroying The Avengers in the process".
I feel like the only time the MCU has killed off someone in a way that was both surprising and effective (not counting the snap, since I'd imagine that was temporary) was how they did Yondu in Guardians 2. Ending a character's story by saying "oh they died for the greater good" is easy, ending a character's story because they've grown and evolved naturally to the point where they don't want/need to fight anymore is far more befitting the follow-up to something as ambitious as Infinity War.
Killing of Tony would be an incredibly bad decision financially for Disney. I don't think we're gonna be seeing any more Iron Man movies for the time being but I can totally see him working as a background figure like in Homecoming.
I'm kind of excited to see the new status quo, what new avenues "the event" will create. It's all background fluff in a film, really (the characters is what's the main focus), but I like thinking about these things, I like seeing weird comic book shit in theaters.
I suspect this answer is in the Far from Home Trailer, which probably won't air until after Endgame comes out
Conversely, it makes perfect sense for Cap to die in this one. There's nowhere else his character can really go, his love interest is dead, and he's got two potential successors lined right up to pick up the shield. He's been living on borrowed time, seeing as how he was totally content to end it all in WW2; he punched his ticket decades ago, he doesn't have anything to prove by dying.
Also Evans has kinda wanted out for a good long while, but stuck around because the money was so good. Could easily see them offing Steve and keeping him on as a producer/director behind the scenes.
It already has aired in Brazil
She's the smartest person in the MCU, she's also one of the laziest.
I thought it's been implied since Iron Man 3 that Tony's joyride through a giant space portal fucked with his brain so bad that it boosted his genius intellect to borderline autistic obsession with creating things to the point where he can barely even catch sleep because he's constantly seeing schematics and blueprints everywhere when his PTSD isn't showing through.
I genuinely believe that Rocket will come out on top intellectually once their paths finally cross, at least when it comes to engineering. There are also that transforming Dwarf in Infinity War, he seems pretty smart too.
Which brings me to my next point, we have absolutely not seen the final evolution of Tony's suit with the nano tech, there are already tiers way above that established in the MCU, such as Asgardian tech forged in that dying star thing.
Considering Extremis also literally entailed remapping Tony's neural pathways with semitechnorganic components, the speed of thought is about as fast as you're gonna get.
The whole "Shuri is totally the smartest person in the MCU you guys" thing irritates me because she doesn't display it in the actual movies. Like, it just reeks of clickbait marketing to get the attention of the people who actually care that the hip young POC girl is quantifiably superior to Tony Stark and Hank Pym and all the other older whiter dudes in the franchise.
Yeah, she makes all of T'Challa's gear, but she doesn't really do anything useful. They don't give us anything to go off of with her character, so she ends up being the blandest person in the room despite having oodles of potential. One of her like 3 lines in Infinity War is her smugly talking down to Banner about the way Vision was put together, even though he's an expert in gamma radiation (not robotics) and it was Ultron who built Vision in the first place. And then she doesn't even finish fixing him and got one-shotted by the biggest jobber in the whole Black Order. Like, Tony Stark built a revolutionary clean energy source and a robot suit in a cave with a box of scraps, ten years later he's making shit all on his own that's at least as impressive as what Shuri's been putting out with her literally unlimited access to Australium and Wakanda Fun Bucks.
That's the really unfortunate thing about all the Black Panther stuff in the MCU for me; there's no way it would have been made as part of Phase 1 (because oh fuck a black-led superhero movie what an absurd gamble who would even conceive of such a jape), but it kinda had to be established early on to really work. Because there's nothing special about Wakanda having special tech they use to make spaceships and laser guns and nanobots when fucking HYDRA had half that shit in the 19 goddamn 40s apparently. Literally the only thing Wakanda has on the rest of the MCU is a fuckton of money and the heart-shaped herb. Everyone else has lasers, everyone else has force-fields, everyone else has special gadgets and suits that can tank point-blank shots from firearms, explosives, rampaging Hulks, and Thanos at full power. Compared to the rest of the major players in the MCU, Wakanda isn't really all that special, which is a shame because that's exactly what it should be.
It's like if they tried to introduce the Punisher into the big-screen MCU and played it off like "woah guys, he uses guns to shoot bad guys, the game has changed."
Black Panther's suit does have that little thing where he's fucking invincible and his suit absorbs everything that's ever been thrown at it. Seeing as he was never thrown at Thanos, he's never had any proper threat to test the boundaries of his suit so for all we know he could get decked thirty times by Thanos and just jump up fine every time until Thanos remembers he has the power to win fights instantly without actually fighting anybody.
He is for all purposes functionally invincible but his own film goes "oh no black panther is being attacked by a bad CG rhino how will he escape this" for some reason like there's still some sort of tension over him being harmed.
@Shuri hatetrain
Another thing that really irks me is how Vision is basically Stark, Banner and Ultron's brainchild yet the one that can fix him up the best is somehow miss deus ex genius engineer. I guess there was an offscreen sideplot where she was working on that highly specified technology to seperate VIsion from the infinity stone.
Another thing she ruins is Barrys recovery being relegated to an offscreen plotline that the viewer has to infer. That to me is just fucking retarded. The Berrys plotline in Civil War and Winter Soldier is hella fucking good and they could have made such great material with that but nope, gotta magically get him in shape so he can fight on the all star line up.
I mean we're at the end of phase three and we're still trying to pretend that Black Widow brings something useful to a fight with her two pistols, like she's somehow more useful than a regular guy with a machine gun when it comes down to the big fights.
Frank would be a better leader than Steve ever was for the Avengers.
With him in charge Loki would have been a one time show that ends with him being tortured into spilling Thanos' plan to the crew way back in phase 1. Phase 2 and 3 would just be the various heroes of the MCU doing a dragon ball style training montage in anticipation of Thanos.
And then Tony has a heart attack when Thanos does finally show up.
I'm not sure putting Frank on the team is a good idea, Frank's superpower is making superheroes near him suddenly become incompetent retards so that he can look better.
Then again it can't be any worse than what happened in the movies we got.
if Frank was on EITHER team, there's a nonzero chance that Bucky would've been shot dead by the halfway mark in Civil War.
I like the idea of Tony, Shuri, and Rocket being in a room, and the other two slamdunking Stark on technology because Tony's so arrogant sometimes that the humbling of him would be fun.
But to be clear, Tony is the one who has done the most with the least. Yeah, Rocket has vastly higher technological knowledge, but that's at least partly because he was born into a society with a much higher technology level. Shuri is the same to a lesser extent - the Wakandans already had a high base technology level when she came along. Being brilliant in a higher technology level is still being brilliant, but you got to give Tony the credit that he started with a box of scraps in a cave (And his father's past designs whatever).
I guess what I'm saying is that the real best genius in the MCU is Arnim Zola.
If the MCU was made by Akira Toriyama or Hitoshi Iwaaki you might have a salient point, but the entire exegesis of Widow and Bucky is their experience and intelligence, and since both of them can kill an entire room of people with a tissue box and a straw, guns are simply an amplifier.
If only they used Wakanda tech for the awful excuse of the CGI in that movie.
https://youtu.be/ifoFercJX2I
imagine giving them actal tech that could amplify their skills.
I much preferred the pod that just had a ton of replacement parts following him around. It meant he could do cool shit like just making a suit around his opponent or use the extra parts to attack from the flank.
The nanotech looks cool but it also means there's no where for the suit to advance. It can take on literally any form now, it's one step away from becoming a tech Green Lantern ring.
Could be made out of uru or something
The thing is that wasn't a problem, because it was a cool and realistic limitation. Iron Mans powers are his suit and gadgets therein, so when those are damaged his effectiveness is compromised and he has to be smarter to compensate. Hulkbuster vs Hulk in Avengers 2 was the highlight of this, watching him call down replacement arms and shit was awesome because it felt fantastical, exposed a weakness but still showed how smart Tony was. Jumping from 'still an iron man suit' in Civil War/Homecoming to rip-cord Nanotech was bullshit. You don't make the whole suit nanotech, you have a moment where he uses portions of nanotech to patch his suit up, but notes that they're too unstable for long term use or something. If Iron Man stops wearing a suit of Iron, is he still Iron Man?
We're not getting any more Iron Man movies because Tony has evolved, get ready for Nano Man (2019)
I'm going to make a controversial prediction: Tony isn't going to be offed, Cap is - and it has nothing necessarily to do with his character, and everything to do with his actor. Yep, I'm saying Disney probably wants Evans gone as soon as possible because of his outspoken political views, and unlike directors or (comic book) writers, they can't just axe him. So they'll give his character a fine send-off in Avengers 4 and then stop doing business with Evans entirely.
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