Marvel Cinematic Universe thread: Worse numbering than IMs suits edition
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I think I'm one of the few who doesn't really care if the characters are reinterpreted a bit
I'll always shill for Captain Midnight, but he just came out with this:
https://youtu.be/b8qey-2IjNQ
and I think he makes a really good point about how they could make Uncle Ben a big presence in this movie, with Happy hitting on Aunt May and all. It'd certainly be nice to have SOMETHING; I think Marvel misunderstood "people are sick of origin stories" as "people are sick of Uncle Ben", so they've created a Peter Parker who seems to be Spider-Man almost entirely because he's gotta impress Mr. Stark. He kinda sorta danced around "great power and great responsibility" in Civil War and that's it. Between that and the fact that he doesn't make his own kit (aside from the web fluid), it just kinda makes Peter come off as a bit vapid and shallow, instead of youthful and put-upon.
dunno, its not like some dictatorship forces us to hear uncle ben's line every day for the sake of building a mantra out of it. Raimi's spidey came out in several people's youth and it made such an impact that now it truly feels like "a wheel" instead of it just being a general description of every single marvel super hero's core concept as it is.
I'm genuinely not "tired" by it, but certainly not making a big deal if MCU skips that bit completely for the sake of everyone being aware of it after 20 years of marvel movies.
It comes out after Endgame though.
So punisher season 2 is out. Watched the first episode and the action is solid. I'm still disappointed that Frank is so far from the Punisher MAX version of Frank and I hope this season will finally start his unending war against criminals, but I doubt it will.
Plot twist, aunt May delivers the great power lines as she dies in Spidey 2 and now Parker has to move to Montana to live with uncle Ben
I keep seeing a """leak""" floating around that says the movie ends with Aunt May in a relationship with Happy, and we learn his first name is actually Benjamin.
It's probably bullshit, but there's a part of me that honestly wouldn't put it past them. It kinda feels like all the higher ups at Sony are more interested in getting their fingers in the MCU, allowing the Sony-exclusive Spider-Man stuff like the game and Spider-Verse to end up brilliant
Odds are it's gonna get cancelled anyway.
That doesn't really fit with the bfp on the luggage
I'm pretty sure you're the only one who's surprised. Spidey is literally Marvel's mascot and massive cashcow, the dude has literally had 7 movies. Of course he's not going to stay dead. His death in Infinity War was a turning point because you didn't expect him to die and that it was really sad, not because you think he's going to be permanently gone.
The thing is though, him dying becomes literally unimportant, like "why did he die in the first place" levels of importance. Like, showing him okay and fine in a totally different context without showing even how he can possibly come back, levels of importance.
I get why they wouldn't perma-death him. I get obviously he's going to come back, and I knew that watching IW. I know the real-world answers.
But to properly enjoy any kind of fiction requires a suspension of disbelief. Let's say I watched IW without knowing anything about Far From Home, with even a hint from Marvel that this may be the end of the MCU. They haven't announced any post-End Game plans. I see Spiderman die? ...Holy fuck, that might be it. Black Panther's gone? shit. Most of the Guardians? Fuck.
I can suspend my disbelief, then. I can let myself believe that the stakes are high. Those characters are gone. I can feel the same dread that Tony and Captain feel at the end of IW, where all of our friends are now gone and lost and we may never get them back.
But announcing a new Spiderman movie? Showing us a trailer for a movie he's in, after the movie he died in, but before he's brought back in? The stakes are gone. I can't suspend my disbelief anymore. The Snap lost all power and all significance because I knew they'd all come back. I couldn't let myself believe they'd return, because there was just too much ""proof"" otherwise.
To be honest Spider Man being back poses more questions than it answers related to how the end game of IW will play out. Releasing this trailer is a really smart move to feed the speculations of fans since it has been quite a while since part 1 cam out by now.
Motivation, like Coulson in Avengers 1
To me its less how many questions/answers it gives, but more how significant they are
There can be dozens and dozens of topics of speculation after this, but as my mini-essay can be summarized as: did the Snap/deaths really matter in the grand scheme/is there even an inkling that they may have lasting effects, that affect the whole universe and not just Endgame?
No, and I'm disappointed we already know that.
But that's the thing. All we know is that dusted character are back, if even that. For all we know the Spidey movie could end with him returning to a New York with a Baxter building in the skyline setting up Fantastic 4 or some other nutty revelation. Doctor Strange introduced time travel, IW part 1 made it clear that it's gonna play a major role and with the money Disney is throwing around to get back IP's I wouldn't even be surprised if they did a rewind back to phase 1, or the timeline splintering giving us multiple earths(Not likely but it would give the writers some breathing room)
My point is that you seriously lack imagination/comic experience if a Trailer of a new Spider Man movie dispels all the stakes of IW
I mean i'm not alien to the concept of characters in the marvel universe dying and coming back by means of some sort of marketing asspull, let alone spiderman of all things.
what i was asking since the first post is what "confirmed" this is post IW and how we got here, to a point were spidey dies on screen and suddenly he's back like nothing happened and I'm suposed to know because uh, its a thing we all know(besides it being spiderman)
A plot twist like "it was all within the soul stone" is just another form of "and it was all a dream" which is too low for even Marvel to hit, and the Fantastic 4 isn't relevant at all in this context I'm talking about, and that's our current, post-IW spot in the MCU. It's not a lack of imagination, that's for sure, and just because comics have done it, doesn't mean it's good writing.
Like, I know the oldest comic trope is how characters that die come back, all the time. And that's boring. I want deaths to mean something and resurrections to mean something more (Loki is the only one who'd get a pass for me, imo, but maybe he's just grandfathered in and I'm being hypocritical about that).
You seem to take that imagination remark negatively, not my intention. It just seems to me that by your logic, watching Iron Man 2 you'd feel no stakes or seriousness because you know there's an Iron Man 3.
IW was almost a year ago, everybody watched and we all remember how we felt watching it. Is that not enough? How can the existence of a Spider Man trailer honestly ruin that when we all knew(even yourself by your own account) that the dusting wouldn't stick.
again, is less about the snap and more about how we got a movie that happens after the snap without any kind of explanation as to why the snap's effects are undone. even before the actual movie that will revert the snap's consequences.
But you didn't get a movie before IW part 2 you got a trailer...
Endgame still comes out before Spider Man. If a trailer can ruin your apetite to this extend why do you even watch it.
Endgame comes out before Far from Home.
It occurs to me that someone on the hero's team has died in every single Avengers film now, uh oh
... And the trailer of Far From Home showing Spider-man unexplained survival came out before Endgame
Really?
how many times do i have to repeat myself in this thread about this not me being spoiled about spiderman coming back because i am aware characters can die and be brought back in comic lore bal bla bla and it was obvious that the snap would be reverted back in IW wich i am pretty sure no one is really surprised as far as plot development goes.
I'm literally asking what THIS means:
I'm down to speculate just like me and a bunch of friends asumed FFH takes place just before the evtns of IW, but then you people claim it has been confirmed it takes place after. nor the trailer nor the info about it mention anything about it being some kind of alternate scenario, or any kind of plot device being present. its just that spiderman "is there".
at least with captain marvel we know she jumps in after IW and her movie is just backstory.
Probably the best evidence in the trailer is that he gets a new costume that he clearly didn't have in IW.
Marvel did intact confirm it takes place "moments after" endgame
https://m.ca.ign.com/videos/2019/01/16/confirmed-spider-man-far-from-home-takes-place-after-avengers-endgame
My friend (who hasn't seen any MCU movies beyond the Avengers films and Civil War) took similar issue with them marketing Far From Home before we even got the Endgame trailer, and we both came to basically the same conclusion; obviously, we as two grown-ass 20-somethings know that Spider-Man and Black Panther and Doctor Strange aren't really dead.
But fuck, could Disney at least pretend they are for the sake of the narrative? It's a frustratingly cavalier attitude, "yeah yeah we all know they're alive lol you're gonna see it anyway". Like, you guys are the ones telling the story here, could you commit to that just a little before hitting us with all these commercials?
Its fanfiction.net levels of assfuck continuity.
Sony is in charge of marketing. Disney might not have any control over it.
Uuuuuu neeeeever seeeeeee meeee see how this movie is going to kind of suck.
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