Marvel Cinematic Universe thread: Another thread bites the dust - Film, Television and Music

(i've quoted your passage on thors development) I'm seeing a lot of complaints about this aspect of the movies, and I totally do see your point. I don't think it's to the detriment of his character, though. I think I remember reading in a few interviews that Thor is a tricky character to write in a way that's engaging, without being hokey, but without being too comedic, either. To that extent I consider the first two Thor movies experiments that didn't work, stepping stones and hurdles that were tripped over. The plot of Thor learning to mature and grow into his future position as King probably shouldn't have been glazed over in just one movie. Iron Man 1, in my opinion, ended up having a similar problem in retrospect: Stane was originally planned to be a trilogy-spanning villain, mostly taking the role of mentor to Tony. That kind of foresight, an overarching plot and a character arc that could go with it, would have massively benefited both the Iron man and Thor trilogies imo. Anyway, point being: I kind of consider 'true Thor' to be what we saw in Ragnarok. To that extent, his developmental arc has been pretty easy to follow, and at the very least inoffensive. He once again goes down the path of maturation and living up to his true potential. This is the new starting point. Then in Infinity War+Endgame, we see Thor use that potential to its fullest in order to fulfill his blood lust for revenge. I honestly think the decapitation of Thanos was one of the more striking character moments in the entire MCU. It's really dark, and boomer Thor, as much of a joke as he is, is really striking to watch after seeing Thor reach his prime. So my main point is that, yeah, Thors character development has historically been all over the place, but Ragnarok was kind of a soft-reboot of his character, and for as awkward as that made his overall arc, it was for the best. My biggest complaint from this 'soft reboot' I'm talking about is that Thor leaving Valkyrie as Queen of Asgard didn't really fit Thor or Valkyrie herself. She hasn't really demonstrated any capacity or even desire to rule, and King of Asgard really should be Thors endgame.

I'm more interested how the heck that ant-man-baby/ant-man-grandpa suppose to make any time travel sense. I feel like they messed it up hard just for simple gag.

But that was the point right? He wants to be himself for now, rather than what he's supposed to be.

I pretty much gave up on MCEU Thor as soon as Thor: The Dark World was released. I guess we'll never understand why all the writers who worked on these movies came to the conclusion that MCEU Thor should had been adapted as basically Marvel Comics' Hercules

Yeah, probably not King of Asgard. That is totally against one of the bigger points of the movie, that's my bad. Correcting myself, I believe Thors endgame shouldn't be severed from Asgard. Wherever his character development leads him, it should be back to Asgard or his family. To have his character arc lead wherever this 'Asgardians' phase is going to take us and forget more and more his Asgardian roots would be a mistake, in my opinion.

Yeah, I agree with that, but I think it's setting up the idea that he's not yet ready to settle down and be Odin 2.0. He has to actually discover himself, without having to be a King or an Avenger or whatever. He's just Thor now, and he can now find what and who exactly he is without being force into a role. Anyway, that was my understanding of that whole arc. He's free now, he is no longer tied down in any way.

I still think Captain America should have been the one to die, not Tony. Yeah it's poetic that Tony kicked it off and Tony ended it, but the Captain America time travel thing raises way too many questions. Tony had much more to live for than Captain America lets be real. I thought it would have been way better to see "heaven" and have a similar ending with Cap meeting back up with Peggy that way.

Just saw it today, overall I thought it was great. Most hype moment was when all the portals opened for Earth's defence to flood through, Thanos knew he was fucked.

I really enjoyed watching it (especially at midnight release with audience reactions to certain moments), butit was still cliche and I think the whole time-travel solution has been tried and tested so many times before. Would love to see an Avengers: Secret Wars though.

Every theater is still fucking sold out here

Just got back from seeing it today. At first I felt disappointed, but as the day has progressed I feel more at peace with it. Just like IW was MCU's Empire Strikes Back, Endgame is MCU's Return of the Jedi. Not as god as it's predecessor, but still a satisfying conclusion.

https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/185155/8bb2818f-e2aa-4892-8376-714bb3922da8/imagen.png Why didn't they just cut off Thanos' head again when they saw him sitting on their planet after that bigass ship and explosion, uncomfortably close to the glove with infinite power again? C'mon man, the one time you didn't he fucked you up, and the one time you did it worked and he stopped being a problem. And talking him out of it might've worked until he put on his helmet and got his sword

He was a bit less injured from snapping twice at that point. Decapitated Thanos had a limp and nearly died from the second snap.

Thor could have just popped in at the Battle of Wakanda and off him while his other self had him pinned in the chest.

I went at 10am and it was near empty. See if there are morning showings

Every theater near me doesn't open until 3pm

I got spoiled and even knowing I got an anxiety attack by the end of the movie. That's actually a good thing. 10/10

She was far worse than unnecessary, as she just ended up being a deus ex machina. Just a bland character in general since she'd just 'so powerful.' Pretty much from her introduction I figured she was just going to be some deus ex machina, and I was right, it was just much later in the movie than expected.

It was just so conspicuous what they did with Captain Marvel lol, she might as well have said "I'm leaving now but I'll come back in the third act just when it looks like all hope is lost"

They make reference to the notion that a causality loop can't happen so wouldn't the time/place each team went back to also be separate realities from each other? Wouldn't it be impossible to return the stone to the place you got it from if there wasn't a causality relationship? If it works where they can choose a time and place how do they chose which reality/timeline? If causality only applies to the future of the timeline from which actions originate shouldn't they be able to save Gamora "prime" since thanos is dead in both timelines? Going back to save her in a third timeline would also prevent thanos from completing the gauntlet for that reality and allow her to live in another. This quantum stuff is difficult because it effectively means anything is possible but also establishes weird jumping off points for any future movies. I would hate to have to follow this up for existing franchise like ant-man, blackpanther, or anything else to come of that cast of surviving characters.

I think the best part about the film is the fact that it makes The Dark World essential viewing lol

Just got back from seeing it and just read this whole thread that I've been avoiding for the past few days. Fortunately most of the posts in this thread answered all the questions I had but two - Why did they need Loki's scepter when they were stealing the stone from the first Avenger's film? They go out of their way and Cap fights himself to keep it, only for it to never be seen again in the film as far as I know. Secondly, how did Wasp know what was going on or who to fight when she was de-snapped? Last thing she remembers was throwing Scott into the quantum realm in San Francisco, then suddenly Dr Strange rips her from there, in her full suit, to the battle.

Doesn't the scepter hold one of the stones? I think I remember that being the case. IIRC everyone showed up sometime after the desnappening actually happened. Maybe just enough time for Dr Strange to give everyone a quick run down? Fucking Howard the Duck was there, I don't know.

This is correct. Loki's scepter contained the Mind Stone, and I just assumed that Dr. Strange or Wong explained what happened and why everyone needed to fight.

ya but thanos was no more powerful in the past than he was in the present, everybody just becomes unable to hit him, like repulsors suddenly stopped being giant laser of death simply because he was waving his sword around, strange couldn't use his magic powers on him even though he was a match for OP gauntled thanos. Stormbreaker was even more of a match for gauntleted thanos to begin with.

Going by this explanation, which I fully accept, then Loki escaping is pointless as it both didn't happen and if it did, would have happened in a separate timeline/universe than what the MCU has. Thankfully this also explains why Loki escaped but was shown as captured in Asgard.

Maybe the Loki TV series if following that Loki.

I will say, Spiderman 2 is gonna be fucking awkward cconsidering that like half of his friends are now 5 years older than him and grew up in a world where half the world was dead.

It seems like from the trailers that his core group of school friends is still the same age, so I guess they all got snapped.

My money is on the film barely even mentioning it, or likely just outright ignoring anything from Endgame.