Marvel Cinematic Universe thread: Another thread bites the dust - Film, Television and Music

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That's a little bit disappointing, but I guess it does wrap up all the issues with a nice little bow (i.e., that's not how time travel works/why didn't Cap stop all this bad stuff from happening?) But my new theory is that Old Cap is actually Prime Cap, and the MCU as we've known it is the alternate timeline he created when he went back from the real Prime timeline! Ha ha! And you wouldn't believe how bad Hydra and Bucky were in the original timeline before he intervened! Desperately reaching! Hoo ha!

Considering we're dealing with time travel now, it feels really obvious that the next Thanos-level big bad is gonna be Kang the Conquerer. Potentially even played by Robert, Downy Jr.

So how does everything with Gamorra work? She's in 2023 now, when she should be in 2014, and she still has to go die in order for the original snap to even occur? That seems to be one of the threads they couldn't logically wrap up.

She is from the same alternate timeline that 2014 Thanos was from. Since in that timeline Thanos is now dead due to Tony, it has pretty much diverged.

Not the same Gamora. Our Gamora and Nat are perma dead unless Adam Warlock ever gets control of the soul stone.

Isn't the Gamora in Endgame just from 2014? Or did the timelines officially branch at that point and the whole "restoring the timeline" thing with the Ancient One broken?

Its Gamora from just before she ever met Peter Quill though. Also each point they went back to would be a separate branch. The Ancient One's timeline branch was restored, and also the issue she had was with the timeline losing an infinity stone.

No. My one complaint about the movie is EG Thanos is nothing like IW Thanos and that drops the movie from 9.5 to a 7.5 cause apparently that 9 years is a big deal in his character arc from well rounded character to IMMA FIRE THE BLUE LASER CAUSE SCRIPT. Each team went to a branch timeline close enough so that they could grab their thing and reinsert without breaking anyone else's timeline.

Weirdly, wouldn't be true that with Captain America putting the stone back just as it were removed, thus restoring that timeline, mean that in turn that Thanos and Gamora never went through the time jump to get killed by Tony snapping his fingers anyway?

Just saw it. Wow

sorry dude that heaven idea is just awful changing the past doesn't change the future

Just saw Endgame yesterday and while I overall enjoyed it (fuck yeah cap getting Mjolnir, I otherwise hate Marvel for butchering norse mythology but I will give them a free pass just for the bad-assery of that scene and seeing Thanos getting the shit kicked out of him) it was spoiled by the 3D effects. A friend ordered the tickets so I didn't know, but the first 30 minutes was nauseatingly bad because they kept throwing gimmicky shit at you like I was back watching Spy Kids or something. I got used to it after a while, but for a while there it was rough. It also didn't work many times, like when Hawkeye time travelled and ended up in the shed the forest outside the door just looked like a shitty 2D plane, like a skybox in an old game. Zero depth. Also, this might just be because I didn't see Captain Marvel, but I was so bummed out by how OP she was. I mean come on, she has basically no real screentime in the movie and still manages to swoop in at the last second to save everyone and basically kicks the shit out of Thanos before he gets the glove on.

Can w talk about how Fortnite exists and is popular in the Avengers universe, a game that contains a playable skin of the very person responsible for the largest mass murder in the history of the universe, which only happened 5 years ago?

I assume MCU Fornite is a little bit different than ours. Maybe Star Wars is still more popular there, and they have to deal with people with Kylo Ren skins shitting up the game. Or maybe not. Imagine the marketing push: "Do what the Avengers couldn't!"

Ghost Rider is getting a Hulu show: https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/live-action-ghost-rider-and-helstrom-tv-series-heading-to-hulu-in-2020?linkId=66795246

I hope they bring back Gabriel Luna as Ghost Rider. I liked him in Agents of SHIELD.

100% agree. I like AOS, and the parts with Ghost Rider were still my favorite parts of the show. It lended it that Marvel weight like nothing else they've encountered.

What I took away from that was it didn't take humanity very long to overcome the trauma of losing literally billions of people in an instant and resume online services like fortnite. I mean, why not, I guess? Do you guys think battle royale games in that universe only had player counts of 50?

I've been wondering about alien civilizations without any links to the galactic culture who had half their people vanish one day, and then a random amount of time later, they just came back, and they had no idea why. Religions have certainly been started out of less. Especially if it was a primitive culture. What if a people had half their members vanish, and then the rest were wiped out due to disaster, disease, or something like reactionary religious suicide, and then the half came back to find everyone else was all dead? A lot of interesting story ideas, though surely out of the scope of happy poppy comic movies, unless GotG3 or some other cosmic movie decides to touch on it.

Depends how much Captain Marvel helped the galaxy given that "there are a lot of other planets that need my help even though the Avengers are time traveling to help fix things".

I took the Ancient One's warning that having a infinity stone go missing from a timeline does bad things to a universe.

So, the 2014 timeline is one where the snap didn't happen. I wonder how that one turned out to be. I wonder how stuff resolved after the Civil War.

She doesn't explicitly say bad things happen, only that branching timelines occur and by the black line of magic trail breaking off from her visual example, it implies that it could be bad. My assumption was, if they take a stone, any good that has been done with it (like in Dr Strange movie) is erased. Not that the stone's absence in of itself is bad. Else Thanos destroying them in the main timeline would have after-effects.

Disney have a metric fuckton of money, they don't have that much money. The most you might get is Dr. Doom and some rival sorcerer are fighting for control of Latveria, the 'bad guy' gets snapped and Dr. Doom is the author like 5 years of total (authoritarian) peace and harmony, and then the dude is snapped back and fucks Latveria hard, so Doom is like 'fuck your couch' in regards to anything avenger/hero/murkkka related with like a legit reason to be mad about unsnapping the snap. You're not gonna get much more than that, cause nuance is expensive and cuts into vfx budget.

So how about that cameo of Jarvis in 1970? I loved Agent Carter, and always felt bad about ABC stuff never really being acknowledged, this made me so happy, man

Robert Redford's cameo is the one the surprised me the mos

Oh yeah, totally. If they can't give us a movie telling us anything that happens in the MCU between major universe threatening circumstances, I'm sure not expecting them to do a man-on-the-ground reaction to the snap (I'm still hurting for a Secret Avengers movie between the wars Civil and Infinity). I just mean more someone might mention it as a background excuse kind of like how Zemo's plot used the SHIELD data being dumped on the internet, which otherwise didn't have any of the massive consequences it probably should've had. Anything that causes massive consequences like that is going to be mostly ignored, I imagine, for the sake of keeping the MCU (mostly) looking about like our universe.

I wonder if the snap undoing is "programmed" to account for extenuating circumstances like that. After all, it accounts for the change in position of the Earth and other planets. Weren't some of the Avengers on space ships when they got snapped? Hell, a huge amount of GotG characters and people in that universe would have been on space ships when they got snapped. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a contingency that put you in a safe place on the nearest habitable planet. That doesn't seem too complicated for the infinity stones and I'm sure Banner Hulk would be smart enough to think of it. I'd be concerned about people who were in relationships who got snapped. I'm sure a large amount, if not the majority, of people moved on once their partner had been snapped for 5 years and there seemed to be no hope of undoing it. And what about teenagers? Imagine coming back and finding out your crush or girlfriend not only found someone else, but is now 5 years older, making a relationship between the two of you impossible.

So can we have a Korg and Miek Let's Play channel?