Marvel Cinematic Universe thread: Another thread bites the dust - Film, Television and Music

"In our universe, there are are no Avengers..." Incidentally, this could also work for the Fantastic Four with Reed Richards being an alternate universe's Tony Stark equivalent.

I dont get how this is a spoiler? but Is it bad that I actually like her? I mean I really dislike how they're pulling a "Dark Knight Rises" and givinjg a character a nickname of their original comic name, but I like her character.

To me, she acts too much like a Disney Channel sitcom character.

Noticed that Peter has Tony's Glasses he used in Infinity War. Guessing Happy gave them to Peter.

Yeah I dislike the trend of showing the characters face as much as they do.

I like that Maria Hill is in the movie, we need more Hill. And it isn't because I've had a thing for Cobie Smoulders since 'How I Met Your Mother'

Is it just me, or does the word "unlikeable" feel a whole lot like a dog whistle

A dog whistle to whom?

Sexist double standards

I'm not seeing it.

Has jack to do with sexism, and everything to do with MJ is basically spider-gwen minus the webbing and nothing like MJ at all, point of fact she's pretty much the opposite.

What a massive disappointment Far from Home is going to be when the multiverse comes up again and magic/illusions are the center plotpoint and Nick Fury is the character that teams up with Spider-Man, not Dr. Strange.

I don't really care for the MCU's take on Spider-Man, but this looks like a fun time.

"thing will be bad" You know, I'm a pretty cynical unhappy, miserable type person, and even I'm getting pretty sick of the non stop "hot takes" that everything in our media sphere is just bad these days.

Tom Holland's Spider-Man is honestly the best interpretation of the character to date

The amount of people that are buying Mysterio's shtick, whether it be the magic, alternate universe, or the good guy thing, is really really surprising.

People like Toby and Andrew Garfield just don't capture what spiderman needs to be. Even the take from the marvel spider man game is a bit more mature for my tastes. I like a spiderman who isn't sure of himself and cocky. His role in the MCU has been my favorite take. Youthful enough, smart enough, a hero who is sometimes super.

Toby best Spider Man and no I'm not gonna provide any arguments.

Holland is an endearing Peter Parker who bounces off his co-stars in really fun ways, but it feels more like a re-imagined or elseworlds version of Peter Parker than a definitive interpretation. We don't really get to see his intellect come into play all that often (he's actually a bit of a buffoon), Uncle Ben is all but entirely absent, Aunt May is basically his Alfred at this point, and despite Homecoming working so hard to make him independent, a huge chunk of his character still revolves around "Mr. Stark". Pretty much everyone in his social circle who matters knows he's Spider-Man, so we don't get that secret double-life tension that sets him aside from heroes like Cap and Thor. Some of the best parts of Homecoming were the moments when he had to consciously put his personal life aside to go be Spider-Man, but now Aunt May is cool with it and Ned knows and I bet Michelle is gonna find out too, so... yeah. Not to mention how little money troubles seem to factor into his life. All of his kit and costumes and supplies are given to him by grownups, which really hurts his independence. People shit on Tugboat for crying a lot and being an awkward goober, but the heart of the Raimi Peter Parker was so much more quintessentially Spider-Man than this new take on the character. Yeah, he didn't quip as much, but that was never really what carried Spider-Man as a protagonist. It's always been the struggle; he's endearing because he's relatable, and he's relatable because he's got so much raw shit to deal with. Toby MacGuire lived in a shitty apartment and made pennies helping Jameson torpedo his public image through the Bugle. Aunt May was old and sickly, Harry was drifting apart, he was never sure if he deserved to get the girl, let alone if he even deserved happiness in the first place. He had to struggle to hold down a job and get to class and also be Spider-Man. If his suit ripped, he had to fix it and pay for the dry-cleaning. But he still soldiered on despite all this, because great power and all that. But then you've got Holland and he lives in a nice apartment with his young, hot Aunt who is totally down with him being Spider-Man. And his best friend knows he's Spider-Man and helps him along too. Sometimes he has to neglect his friends, but they all immediately forgive him and he doesn't have a job but that's fine because Mr. Stark gives him all of his costumes and equipment and some money as well. All the other superheros are cool with him joining the team and he's a card-carrying Avenger and the big struggle in this new movie is basically "yeah, I've got all this, but sometimes you just need to tour Europe, unwind a bit, you know?" He's just got it too good, which makes it hard to relate to him, which is Spider-Man's bread and butter as a character. He's not "your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man", he's James Bond Jr. And that's fine, they're fun movies and I bet the kids go ballistic for it, but it really feels like a missed opportunity to do the character justice beyond just "oh he cracks jokes now".

I do recognize that MCU Spidey is not generally what I consider Spider-Man, but I like him anyway. He's kind of his own thing, plus he's that teenage Spider-Man that Marvel is always desperately trying to get back to. The Raimi movies are much closer to the classic Spider-Man to me, someone who grew up in the 90s and mostly experienced Peter Parker as an adult and often a married one at that. Unfortunately, I think Sony blundered and poisoned the well for a classic Spider-Man retelling for a long time; Marvel can't just have done a remake of Raimi's perfect Spider-Man introduction, especially when the Webb movies went back and hammered on a lot of the same old plot points so poorly. I'm excited by the idea that Spidey, Peter, and Tom Holland will all grow up into the adult version over the next decade, Sony willing. Also I'm curious what the MCU X-Men will eventually look like, considering the Fox movies pretty much tried to use up all the most popular characters and plots.

A bit disappointed they're sticking to the Iron spider suit but oh well.

So what happens to the souls that were sacrificed for the soul stone now that its destroyed in one universe and returned in the other? I'm assuming they just stay dead right?

Katherine Langford was going to play an older version of Morgan Stark that appears after Tony Snaps with the gauntlet https://www.indiewire.com/2019/05/katherine-langfords-avengers-endgame-role-revealed-1202131589/

Hie literally millennial focus group amlagmation man and the only troubles he faces are the villain of the week and his immediate friends thinking he's a flake because everytime they need him to friendthing a thing, the jerk villain is setting puppies on fire.

I thought a major complaint about mcu movies is that the stakes are always too high

Nat is in soul stone ______, Gamora went to Marvel heaven and can't be gotten back.

Having a movie with personal stakes instead of world-ending ones isn't a bad thing. It's one of the reasons I liked homecoming. As for the millennial thing I'm not even sure what you meant

I get what he's saying. Holland Peter is very much about flash and style, the aesthetic side of Spider-Man moreso than the character side. You'll see a bunch of people be like "he makes jokes and has mechanical webshooters and is young, therefore this is the best interpretation of the character to date!", when the quips and gadgets are really just aesthetic details compared to what really makes the character so endlessly endearing. Spider-Verse understood this, which is why that movie is so gosh-darned great. He feels very much tooled to appeal to kids. And not in the same way that the rest of these characters are, but in a "here is the child sidekick character for children to identify with" kind of way. He says a lot of pop-culture references and has loads of cool gadgets that Iron Man made for him (that you can buy at a Target Store near you) and has a LEGO Disney's Lucasfilm Star Wars Death Star (tm) in his bedroom. Throughout all of his appearances, it feels like there's a only single scene where you're meant to take him seriously as a protagonist, and even then, he only lifts the rubble because he was inspired by some wisdom he remembered from Uncle Stark. He feels like a self-insert character for young kids to imagine themselves as so they can go on adventures with Iron Man moreso than he does the amazing Spider-Man. He just sort of lacks agency; despite how frequently they tell us "he's looking out for the little guy, muh friendly neighborhood", the most recent FFH trailer literally says "bitch please, you've been to space." Considering Spider-Man is like S+ Tier in terms of relevance to Marvel, it feels like his character deserves a bit better than being a comedic relief sidekick. Maybe they'll move closer to that in the future, but for now it's kinda weak. Fun movies, a great actor, but not really my cup of tea so far as what I like to see in an adaptation of Spider-Man.

He was the only S-tier character in Marvel prior to 90s X-Men and the release of Iron Man.

Why does every video I watch keep saying that the kid in Iron Man 2 with the Iron Mask is Peter Parker? I thought it was a rumor and that Kevin Feige never confirmed it was Peter Parker