Marvel Cinematic Universe thread: Another thread bites the dust
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It's probably a joke, none of them were looking happy or anything.
God fucking bless Tom Holland.
I finally got a chance to see Endgame.
what a ride. I want to make some witty remark but it was an amazing rollercoaster.
My friend and I were talking about Hulk in the MCU and how he felt kind of deflated in Endgame. The merged Banner/Hulk is easily one of my favorite characters but I can't help but feel the entire Hulk arc was kind of cut short.
My friend came up with a change to the arc that I think is pretty good.
Banner stays Banner for most of Endgame, never having properly reconciled with Hulk. There's a few scenes that hint toward Hulk feeling 'used' by Banner or whatever. Then, when it comes time for them to do the first snap and they're all arguing over who will do it, Hulk forces his way out and does the snap. The Hulk/Banner merge is a consequence of the snap (the radiation is mostly gamma) and the Hulk arc ends with Hulk making the ultimate sacrifice, and finally doing something good that doesn't involve smashing.
What do you guys think? It would probably be a struggle to deal with the Hulk/Banner merge in the precious few moments the film had before Thanos fucking bombards them all, but it feels more satisfying to me this way.
For anyone who was disappointed by Hulk in Endgame/MCU I thoroughly, thoroughly recommend reading Al Ewing and Joe Bennetts current Hulk series, The Immortal Hulk. It treats the Hulk as a very Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde body horror transformation and the tone accompanies that ala Lee and Kirbys early-days. If you want a more smash-y Hulk then look more into Greg Paks stuff(Planet Hulk etc.)
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/210630/d0d1680c-3172-4436-a790-c774bb3eca3b/STL114216.jpg
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/210630/422c74fe-4487-4ce3-96f3-9b095e31df14/Immortal-Hulk-9-spoilers-3.jpg
IIRC the Hulk+Banner merge was actually scripted to be at the end of Infinity War but it was too much for the film and had to be cut. That's probably why it feels a bit forced and abrupt in Endgame.
So that's what Hulk bursting out of HulkBuster was supposed to be about.
Also explains why there were so many Hulk scenes in Wakanda in the promos and teasers.
Endgame Spoilers
Robert Downey Jr. to Appear in the Black Widow Standalone Film?
Just read through all of it based off of that cover image. What a great Hulk series! Quite excited for the rest of it now.
Some takeaways:
Phase 4 news SOON(TM)
A repeat that Disney+ shows are canon
There's plans to do more with the real Mandarin and the Ten Rings
More Hulk is planned
Stan Lee read the story but did not see any cut of Endgame
And two Endgame spoilers: Hulk wished for the safety of everyone he brought back, and Steve was always worthy of Mjolnir, he was being polite in Age of Ultron.
Honestly could've gone the rest of my life without knowing that. Like, that's a real bummer.
https://i.imgur.com/6ixcSgl.jpg
Awwwww
That whole scene where the meet the hulk again and the kids ask for autographs, was the cringist shit I've ever seen
I was genuinely uncomfortable watching that.
^Even the kids were.
Another thing I missed from AMA was someone asking what the hardest sells were for the franchise and Kevin said the executives put up the biggest fights to get Robert Downey Jr. to play Tony in Iron Man, and to make The First Avenger a period WWII film.
I'm assuming nobody asked him if the MCU is actually going to go gay in a substantial way, and not like that Avengers: Endgame bullshit? I want to believe that the rumored gay male lead in Eternals is going to be out and proud, and that Moondragon and Phyla-vell (who have been both rumored for GOTG Vol. 3) are going to be an on-screen couple, but I fear that we're not going to get so much as a single gay kiss as long as Hollywood continues to kiss the ass of China's homophobic government.
https://deadline.com/2019/05/james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy-suicide-squad-offensive-tweets-interview-news-1202610248/
Given another lease on life with Guardians, what characters or themes are you most excited to see through in the third film?
When you asked me what was saddest for me when I thought it was gone—and anybody at Marvel can tell you—it’s this very strange and attached relationship to Rocket. Rocket is me, he really is, even if that sounds narcissistic. Groot is like my dog. I love Groot in a completely different way. I relate to Rocket and I feel compassion for Rocket, but I also feel like his story has not been completed. He has an arc that started in the first movie, continued into the second and goes through Infinity War and Endgame, and then I was set to really finish that arc in Guardians 3. That was a big loss to me—not being able to finish that story—though I was comforted by the fact that they were still planning to use my script.
Seems like Rocket will be the focus of Guardians 3, whenever that comes out.
rocket really has just gotten better and better. they manage to cram so much emotion into that little cgi face
Evidently it was Stan's choice to avoid watching the movies until they premiered. I wouldn't feel too down about it. The man helped create the characters in the first place. I'm sure the film he imagined after reading the script was even better than what we got.
That twitter account that posted very accurate information about Endgame in December tweeted again, this time with info about Guardians 3 and Doctor Strange 2. So potentinal spoiler warning
https://twitter.com/RogerWardell
I guess I look at it as a privileged that Stan got to live as long as he did and appeared in every film I can think of since Blade in 1998, where Jack Kirby died before the Marvel movies found their footing and his estate didn't even get the rights to characters he created until the sale of Marvel to Disney, nearly two decades after his passing. I do think Stan being involved or getting to see the film before he died would have made a nice endcap though.
I hope they keep Hercules bi instead of just making him exclusively gay. Representation isn't exactly the highest priority for me, but there's been a lot of talk of just making him outright gay, and losing the chance for a prominent out and proud bi character just because "well he'll still be attracted to women and the hardcore social justice types would view that as lesser than if he was exclusively into men" feels like they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.
Oh man please let this mean we're getting Lylla.
I'm more than fine with him being bi. The point is, if they're going to shy away from him kissing another man - or Phyla-Vell kissing Mantis - because of the CCP, then fuck Disney, and fuck the MCU. I'm not going to support them after that, especially given how they're trumpeting how the MCU is going to get gay any moment now, just you wait! I'm only gonna wait so long. They've already forced the directors of Thor Ragnarok and Black Panther to cut scenes that would have established supporting characterrs as LGBTQ+. If this is going to continue, I'm out.
I've seen speculation that he's going to be involved with the supposed Shang-Chi movie, maybe even replacing Fu Manchu as his father. Others have expressed hope that Fin Fang Foom is going to be involved somehow. All I know is that I want to see a supposed martial arts movie where it turns out the villain stole super powered rings from an alien dragon's spaceship.
Endgame spoilers regarding Captain American and Red Skull's apparent meet up as well as what happens to souls sacrificed for the soul stone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IHh1q84KPE
I feel like this is an issue with Disney (and a lot of big studios) as a whole. There's tons of virtue signalling about how many progressive choices they've made with these movies, but when you look at the big picture:
We've yet to have a confirmed LGBT character (aside from the directors going "ooooh, ~somebody~ on the team is NOT STRAIGHT!" which literally doesn't amount to anything)
The original female Captain Marvel was Monica Ramnbeaux, a woman of color with a large cult following, but instead we get angery blonde white womyn because IT'S ABOUT TIME
Every time Whedon wrote Black Widow she was reduced to "the girl", except in Age of Ultron where she also had a crack-ship with the nebbishy dweeb with anger issues who totally isn't an insert for the director
Shuri is supposedly the most interesting smart cool person ever according to behind-the-scenes info, but all she's done so far in the actual movies is job hard and spit out the occasional meme (also calls Ross "colonizer", a racially-charged pejorative also used by Killmonger, a guy who wants to instigate a world-wide race war and commit all kinds of genocide)
Rey is the least interesting/developed character in the new Star Wars movies
Rose Tico inadvertently gets a bunch of people killed via her and Finn's incompetence in TLJ, and her entire character arc boils down to "she wants to kiss the boy" even though a literal star war is happening right around them
Finn is set up to be a former Stormtrooper with a tragic past, seeking redemption, but just ends up being le funny cowardly black sidekick
Admiral Holdo is introduced as a respected woman in a position of power, proceeds to get nearly all of her subordinates killed because of her raw ego and sheer incompetence
For all their talk about how "important" these movies are and how "the force is female" and whatnot, it all honestly feels like a bunch of lip service the majority of the time. A lot of people are eager to eat it up, because "there's a woman in the movie, that makes it progressive", but they could honestly be doing so much better.
It doesn't matter how many quotas you meet or what boxes you tick, what matters is well-written, well-developed characters. During Endgame, my theater laughed out loud at the GRRL POWER scene. Nobody reacted to anything Captain Marvel did, aside from some hearty laughter when Thanos one-shotted her into the atmosphere. Meanwhile, everyone LOST THEIR MINDS when Wanda showed up and went all red-eyed, I would guess because she's actually a really endearing character who has a lot of interesting things going on with her story and personality. There was even a sizeable pop-off for The Wasp. If they commit to doing representation well, then everyone will like it. But it's a lot easier to just do whatever and then if people complain, blame it on white nerd women-hater bigot racists. Thankfully I feel like people are starting to see through Disney's bullshit, so maybe they'll be forced to really produce something special (especially now with all eyes on them after Endgame).
They should just have him get out of a couple's bed with one of each on either side like all s'up my dudes and not even bother to remark on it; He's OG Greek living the superhero life like he invented it, he shouldn't give the slightest shit about any of that stuff. The whole point of him in the MCU has been a literal counter point to thor's pointy eyebrows and SoMuchSeriousFace, th guy who's hip to all the latest trends and not only prefectly fine with all the paparazzi watching him punch a guy through a building but telling them where to stand to get the best pic during.
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