A Song of Ice and Fire /Game of Thrones Discussion V2: Winter Is Here
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As it's essentially a remix of the Wall battle and Light of the Seven, that's pretty goddamn amazing.
I feel like Qyburn is just ahead of his time and his intentions are misunderstood by the bureaucracy of the Maesters at the Citadel, and that if given proper support and resources, could turn his interests in human experimentation into basically modern surgery and medicine. Like people have done before proper anesthesia in real life. I don't know if he's a bad guy or just a guy driven to the fringes because he's been shunned by his peers.
I say this without knowing anything he does in the books so don't crucify me if he is actually an awful person.
in the books he really enjoys torturing and vivisecting people and it's strongly implied that he prefers women whose wombs he can use for... things
but yeah had the maesters just been like "you're a smart guy but no vivisections pls" he probably would have cured greyscale or something by now
Beric saying, "tell that to her..." to Sandor, and him regaining himself and charging on to help Arya got me right in the feels. I love the relationship they have. Really hope Hound defeats Mountain (with Arya's help in some way).
i always saw qyburn's experimentation on the mountain as a sort of sweet revenge for him since, if i'm not mistaken, it was gregor clegane who ordered his death at harrenhal
Qyburn in the books is a more disturbed individual compared to the Show's version. In the show, Qyburn is more of "the ends justify the means" type person when it comes to his medical research. He doesn't care if he causes pain or suffering in his experiments. Cause in his mind, his research will benefit the entirety of man kind, so whatever unethical shit he does will be forgiven for the amount of progress he has accomplish in the field of anatomy, medicine, and surgery.
Meanwhile book Qyburn is on the surface his show counterpart. But underneath, he's a bit more like Josef Mengele. Where he has bizarre fascination with the human body. The test subjects he often uses or recommends people to give to him are often times female. And most of the time, people go to sleep, hearing screams emitting from Qyburn's studies.
Qybern seems like a typical chaotic neutral character
Eh i don't think that was the intention of that scene...
Her casting away the necklace is her finally embracing death. There has been a reoccurring theme with Mel in her being afraid of death itself. And part of time, she seems to be wanting to use the Lord of Light for her own benefit. Mostly to gain power and possibly other ways to gain immortality. But given her actions have caused unwanted death and destruction, she feels guilty for what she has done. So She decides that her days of "Whispering into King's ears" are over. And decides to redeem herself by helping Winterfell survive against the undead onslaught.
"Theon... you're a good man. Thank you." choked me right up.
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Doesn't look like anyone posted it yet, but fyi there's a full 40 minute featurette that went up earlier today on the making of this episode. Sounds brutal as all fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3M0Xt97aFI
Apparently, they've been waiting for Arya to kill the Night king for about 3 years now in that vid.
Just wanted to revisit this issue. I had no trouble with the darkness after fixing my TV settings for the show. I took a few stills of my TV to show the difference compared to the pics in the joke example.
Note, the pictures are bluer than the TV is showing.
Obvious spoiler links so.
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It's your TV, not the show.
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All I want to say is that there were some very questionable decisions made in the planning and execution of the defence of winterfell. Catapults and trebuchets ahead of all the infantry? Not an arrow fired until they were in melee? Wasting the entire cavalry contingent in a pointless charge against targets not otherwise engaged? If this were a Mount & Blade captain battle I'd be having words with my team right now lol.
I'm also kinda disappointed more major characters didn't die. Some hench plot armour on these lot. The grandeur of the undead hordes is kinda undermined when our main characters are somehow surviving against them for extended periods of time while all the mooks around them are getting cut down at alarming rates.
For all the contrivances though, I'm still really enjoying the season so far.
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i don't think this counts as spoilers :V
It was a very enjoyable episode if you turn your brain off but if you spend a minute or so thinking about the events that happened, it sorta falls apart
So incredibly dissapointed that I waited so long for that. I kind of have to separate any rating into two parts, spectacle and writing. The visuals and the spectacle get a straight 9/10, some incredible directing at times (besides the dodgy pacing) but that writing was genuinely god awful and distracting. I suppose that’s all the show has left for us in the final season. Big spectacle. I’ll see it out but all the years I invested in the lore feel genuinely pointless. Did GRRM sign off on this one?
I feel like the whole battle could've been split in two episodes. While some scenes were really incredible, the Night King really deserved more time. I don't even care about Arya killing him, I actually like it because i wasn't expecting it (If i just didn't get spoiled by a fucking news headline on Google right before watching it).
I'm having a very hard time understanding why people thought that both Melisandre and Arya reached their own peak in the last episode.
Melisandre goes from a mysterious and well-intentioned extremist devoted servant of R'hllor who was the show's main source of actual magic (depending on your point of view, of course) to an unredeable sorceress who appears to the heroes seemingly at random to set things on fire and claim someone is The Prince That Was Promised till she actually guesses right. And then she dies (in an admittedly cool scene).
Regarding Arya, her whole character was about a young and sorta naive girl being put through literally hell and an endless stream of miseries and getting stronger and wiser for it, maturing into a capable young woman who, albeit a bit cynical, still holds some sort of moral compass. Well, discard all of that now, because, apparently, Arya was Azor Ahai, the Chosen One all long, so everything she suffered and everything she accomplished happened mainly 'cause destiny said so
I don't know how much the writers are/were following the Azor Ahai prophecy (I don't even remember if or when it was mentioned --I think when Jon Snow was resurrected, but I'm not sure, it's been a while) but I think the intention with Arya relates to the lines "What do we say to the god of Death?" "Not today." taken literally and something about her fighting for love and life despite all the death and detachment she has faced (similar with her scene with Gendry last episode reiterating her humanity).
It's pretty funny in the behind the scenes Peter Dinkledge was saying the crypts made zero sense when they were filming it.
Uh. She has always been winging it.
She acted like she was an absolute believer of R'hllor, but everytime when her plans went south, she tried to salvage whatever happened as some decision created by the Lord of Light. The final straw of this was Stannis losing the battle against the Boltons. Which destroyed her faith. Which is why the resurrection of Jon Snow was more of a last ditched effort with whatever was left of her faith. But Jon got resurrected and restored it.
Also we still have 3 episodes left. They're possibly going to explain more of this shit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bj7r8y/spoilers_shout_out_to_these_characters_and/
christ i forgot about Edmure. Came back briefly just to vanish again lol. If the show ends without ever seeing these four again I'm gonna be salty as fuck.
I mean Lord Glover at least was mentioned in Episode 1 as basically sitting the battle out because he's a punk bitch because he feels betrayed by his King.
Daario has been running Slaver's Bay/Bay of Dragons since the end of Season 6.
Meera went home after delivering Bran to Winterfell. I think that was south of Winterfell, so we might get to see her shortly.
Edmure is/was captive with the Lannisters after they attacked in Season 6, and I'm pretty sure it was mentioned by Walder in the finale of S6. (I just rewatched that a couple days ago)
Glovers: Considering they were the northernmost house, and they probably got swept with the white walker advance. Considering what happened to the Umbers, it's not unreasonable to assume.
Bringing the Edmure back would make sense, considering the Riverlands have a score to settle with the Lannisters and they need troops.
Whatever happened to Edmures wife? She still at the Twins or what?
That's a bit of lacking story that's irked me, did the Frey women just keep Edmure imprisoned after all the Frey men were killed? What the hell is going on with the Riverlands now? I'm not going to care about each and every kingdom, but it was the home of Catelyn Stark, do Sansa and Arya just not give a shit?
On a more recent note:
On a completely unrelated note, I just wanna point out that Arya killing the Night King doesn't negate the Azor Ahai prophecy for Jon or Danerys. It boils down to "The Prince the was Promised will Bring the Dawn", not "The Prince that was Promised will Kill the Night King". Without Jon and Dany bringing their forces together, Winterfell would have been swamped way faster and Arya wouldn't have had her chance. They brought the Dawn by uniting a unprecedentedly large amount of people to face the threat. There are some specifics, like Lightbringer, that didn't line up, but GRRM always says that the prophecies in the story shouldn't be taken literally. They've had like a 8000 year long game of telephone to distort and exaggerate.
It seems like the boasting from the actors in interviews about shooting fake scenes is at-least somewhat genuine. The dude who played Tormund did a couple of takes were he died in the behind the scenes.
Uh, how the hell were they supposed to get down there in time?
The thing that bums me out about E3 is that it really takes the wind out of E2's sails. Everyone around that fireplace survived, there were very few character deaths on what was built up for 2 episodes to be the scariest, most apocalyptic night of the series. The bittersweet goodbye of E2 just looks kind of silly now that we see it was mostly premature.
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