• A Song of Ice and Fire /Game of Thrones Discussion V2: Winter Is Here
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I bet they're terrible for your neck, too. Imagine trying to fight in those things
I pictured his hammer as being bigger.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fwWqI4AJLmY
I mean, that's the issue with the White Walkers in this show. They revealed their motives. Me just saying that shit is just speculation or me the viewer making my own interpretation of them. Its the same shit with people brainstorming what the Space Jockey and the origin of the Alien was in the original Alien. Like you're suppose to keep that shit vague for that reason, and since they revealed the motivation of the Night King and the White Walkers. It just fell apart.
I think episode three can be summarized as bad fan-fiction. Alt X basically saying what a lot of people thought the episode was: bad writing. Throwing away years of build up with Jon and Daenerys and the Long Night and all that came with it just to either awkwardly retcon or change older story from the series to force the nothing personal elite gamer assassin to one shot the big bad for what? To be intentionally controversial and 'subvert' people? I read they D&D just did it because going the obvious route would be boring and predictable, which baffles me because that doesn't create good story.
I've kinda had anxiety about how bad is probably going to be, unless they pulled off a save like the end of Season 6. The show has been a big part of life, and looking forward to it on Sunday's was the only thing that go me through some really hard times. It's really sad to see the end become so unfulfilled.
Funnily enough, Ep3 convinced me that D&D would make an amazing Star Wars movie. That is both my most genuine praise, and scathing criticism of them.
It's hasn't put me off the series, but it was jarring as fuck.
Holy shit you can tell he was trying his best to restrain himself from brutally tearing the episode apart...
Are we seriously going to argue that taking a centuries-old, eldtrich abomination menace, which was arguably one of the main focus on the narrative (show and books) and was build up as the main threat the protagonists needed to face via plots, side-plots and marketing by the showrunners themselves, in favor of making the retarded cousin of Jack Sparrow and an unrepented bitch you must be in serious denial to regard as "morally ambigous" is more about fans being butthurt that their favored theories have been jossed (which ones, by the way) and more about the show lacking any sort of coherent narrative direction since season five onwards? Unless you are buying in that whole "Because it subverts your expectaction" kind of circlejerk, which it's becoming nearly obiquitous in contemporary fiction and, if I can be completely honest with you, has really started to piss me off as of late
Not at all. I don't think Arya killing the Night King is subverting expectation just for the sake of it. Hell, until that point I was worried her whole storyline with the faceless men was going to be an complete waste of time. It makes sense that Danerys or Jon didnt get a faceoff with the Night King, because the Night King knew about them as his biggest threats. Hell, Jon came pretty close in spite of that. I think people whining about the prophecy are jumping to conclusions with very specific expectations about that prophecy. The prophecy says "Azor Ahai will bring the Dawn", not "Azor Ahai will kill the Night King." Jon is responsible not only for encouraging Arya to embrace her warrior spirit, but he made an unprecented achievement in bringing together so many people to face the threat. I feel like everyone glosses over that fact like it isn't impressive or worthy of legend. Fucking Wildlings, Northerners, Dothraki, Unsullied, and Dragons working together. Without the resistance that comboned force posed, Winterfell would have been destroyed so quickly that Arya would never have had a chance. As for other details of the prophecy, such as Nissa Nissa and Lightbringer, it's not hard to accept that wasn't true. Not only was Nissa Nissa never mentioned in the show, but George R R Martin has said himself that his prophecies shouldn't be taken literally. You don't think a magic flaming sword is something that might just storytelling embellishment for a 8000+ year old prophecy? As your complaint about Euron, that's very valid and his book character is far more interesting, but unlike GRRM, the show has only so much room to fit in their story, so he had to simplified for the sake of the production's constraints. This does make him less interesting than his book character, but is he that different from Ramsey? If you don't conpare him to a version of that character who had a lot more time to add lore and mystique to him, he's not a bad villain. I am glad the Night King died early because despite his ~power level~ being the biggest, the White Walker plot drove only perhaps 1/6 of the show, at best. Game of Thrones has mostly been about conflict betweens humans, and Im glad it will end on that. And by the way, Im well aware that Cersei and Euron aren't morally ambiguous. Antagonists dont need to be ambiguous to be good. The relationship between the two of them, and their relationships to the protagonists are what make the story interesting. I think it's very easy to jump on the hatewagon, and yes, especially when people base theories off lore and details that aren't included in the show. Mainstream audiences are notoriously bad at not growing expectations and being upset when they're not met. Hate is very easy to latch on to, especially when you have an easy excuse like D&D running the show after running out of books. If I had been in charge of Season 8, sure, things would be different. Pretty sure everyone in the world would have a unique take on how things could have played out. I would've liked the Night King to fly down to Kings Landing and add a million people to the army of the dead, but Im not butthurt that it didn't happen. I watch the show without any dead-set expectations of how things should go, without thinking 'this isnt how I would have done it!!!' and as a result Im still enjoying it.
seeing some, supposedly, episode 4 screenshots that aren't from the preview on /tv/ so watch out for spoilers, lads
Yeah it also proves the leaks about the ending are probably legit, abandon all hope for a good ending.
Oh... oh lord I just got spoiled on some things. Oh my fucking GOD this is falling apart so quickly
Never really threw in my two cents, so here they are: the thing is this show straight up opened with us beyond the wall getting teased about the white walkers and stuff before suddenly shifting over to politics and shit. It was like this shadow hanging over everything from there on. From that alone I pretty firmly assumed that the gist of this show was gonna revolve around the absurdity of people fighting for this throne while an impending apocalypse took hold around them, and nobody really being able to unite and face it. So everything getting wrapped up on that end with a nice little bow several episodes before the ending really was fucking jarring for me. The fact it was Arya that did it was actually totally fine for me (after it settled in a bit that the nightking plot really was over, that is), it was set up nicely in my opinion and yea i get it, the nightking can't be killed head-on, but needed essentially an assassin to take him down by surprise. And Arya doing all that shit she did like sneaking past everyone was pretty established as being doable by her so yea sure fair enough. I just don't think it should've all happened this soon and before Cersei was dealt with. I'm still not totally put off on the show at least, and looking forward to what's next, but yea this order of events does leave a bit of a sour taste in my mouth for me. Fingers crossed Cleganebowl lives up to everyone's expectations at least.
How do the episodes keep leaking?
frankly, the only real problem i have with arya killing the night kingwas that their confrontation was a little bit-anticlimatic. i mean, the slow build-up to it was pretty great and the night king catching arya in mid-air was balling but the whole "drop and catch the knife before it hits the ground" trick was kinda eeeeeeeehhhhh
Aww jeez, are the rest of the episodes as awful too?
I think people are overreacting, but that's just my opinion.
I want it to be some epic 10 minute fight to the death with great swordplay, and Gregor throwing Sandor through doors and walls and shit, and situations where they become disarmed and have resort to fists and using bits of the environment to fight like plates and flipping tables and stuff. Like Sandors fight for the chicken cranked up to 11, Mixed in with The Punisher vs. The Russian where Gregor looks to be besting Sandor until Sandor gets out in top. I want them dump their budget on these two brutes trying to kill each other. Not expecting we'll get that, though.
Knowing our luck, Arya would probably swoop in for the kill instead using her ninja skills.
Gregor has Sandor in a choke hold. Sandor starts losing energy, struggling to fight back. Suddenly, Gregor groans in pain, and falls to the ground dead. Behind him stands Grey Worm with a spear.
I agree that it would have been really satisfying having the end of the Night King be at the very end since the show opened with the White Walkers, but I just have trouble imagining how they could tie up all the plot threads before that point when the Night King busted the Wall at the end of Season 7. How could we get catharsis without making the Night King either take all attention away from the human conflict or be absent so long that he seemed inexplicably slow? Like I could have seen how perhaps they could have lost the Battle of Winterfell, retreated to the Iron Islands/Dragonstone, and fought alongside the Golden Company (somehow? dunno how that'd happen) or maybe some mystical shit with Bran finding a way to trap the Night King or something, but I can't think of anything solid. To be honest, given the similarities between the way that the Westeros population treated the White Walker threat and how real world governments are treating climate change, I would've been down for a ending where the White Walkers fucking took over all of Westeros and any surviving protagonists had to flee to Essos to contemplate their short-sighted fuck-ups. As soon as the show is over, I'm going to read the books, just because the Others in the books don't have a Night King, don't have a "Achilles Heel" to one-hit their entire army. How the fuck do you fight that, I'm looking forward to finding out. In like 20 years when George dies and the last revision of the last books are released. If there was one thing I wished was in the Battle for Winterfell though, was some 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 swordfights between the heroes with Valyrian Steel and the actual White Walkers themselves. It makes sense that they wouldn't expose themselves since they're basically life-support for sections of the undead army, but I find the sentient Ice Demons far more interesting than the undead horde. Really, the only way the show could piss me off is if ends with surviving characters not having a clear life path ahead of them. If Arya survives, I want to know if she sails west of Westeros. I want to know how the future of the Iron Throne plays out, at least vaguely. Who sits on it? Does it get replaced with a different form of government? What happens to Dorne and the Riverlands, which might as well be anarchy right now? How does the future of House Lannister play out (if only because Tyrion leading it would please me in a 'haha get fucked Tywin' sort of way)? It'd be nice to hear how Daario is doing with the Bay of Dragons, but I honestly doubt we'll hear about it simply because there's no time for it. Unless the entire last episode is an epilogue. I'd be okay with that for this show to be honest.
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These leaks are pretty bad if I have to be honest. There's things that seem like they'll be good when I actually see them on the screen but the rest is just, WOOF, yikes.
If the leaks are real, Alt Shift X is going to have a fucking stroke
Yeah, I'm kinda eager to get the next few episodes over with and I'll probably never return to the series or any of the spinoff's. I hate to sound like a constant downer but it just sucks, HBO and GRRM even wanted them to flesh out the show with more episodes and seasons.
I'm not gonna type a billion paragraphs but the book series is called A song of Ice and Fire We've dealt with ice but it's pretty clear that the lord of light as Davos puts it, is "an evil god" and all of his champions are still kicking (%Melisandre & Eyepatch) And that's not even mentioning the 3 Eyed Raven who seems to be like some sort of mediator between the 2 otherworldly powers. I'm holding off on condemning the show for now and even if the end plot does turn out to be weak at least it's gonna be a cinematic spectacle.
Oh fuck me.................................. These leaks, its like every person's worse nightmare. Jesus Fucking Christ...
After the leaks, my worst fears are confirmed of the shows main themes being all but completely disconnected from the book now. No amount of extra episodes or fleshing out would have helped this. This is basically that 'wine tasting' clip of Rich Evans. It's crazy to think how disconnected seasons 1 through 3 are to the rest of the show.
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