• A Song of Ice and Fire /Game of Thrones Discussion V2: Winter Is Here
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I didn't watch the behind the episode until now. Are you FUCKING kidding me with this nonsense? Goddamn, at least if they had tried to justify it by saying that Euron's fleet was hiding behind that island which is what THEY EXPLICITLY SHOWED I could have bought it, even despite it being silly. But deliberately writing it so Dany is too stupid to remember "Oh yeah, they have a giant fleet" when there was a scene previously in the episode saying exactly that? Just...fuck, man. I'm getting more and more onboard with the idea that these people only know how to write stuff for shock value at this point, no matter how stupid it is.
Yeah, though I'm glad I did because it's given me plenty of time to accept to move past the stages of grief I feel like I'm, at depression and acceptance
I wish they'd just drop the whole season at once like Netflix shows so we could get it over with.
I expected GoT to be good
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The part about a bittersweet ending and this turning into a total tragedy. I guess people see this differently but I thought there was suppose to be a sprinkle of happiness and not leaving me feel gutted.
Nah, you're not alone. If the leaks pan out, I'm having a very hard time seeing how this is anything other than a nihilistic ending that, honest to god, might end any inclination I had to rewatching the show.. There ain't no satisfaction here, nevermind any sweetness.
I'm genuinely surprised to see the negative reactions from the latest two episodes. As we get closer to the end, there's less and less blind praise. I kinda of wish this shift happened earlier on in the shows lifespan, where it could have actually made a difference to the quality of the writing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xvv1sxS9-E
I preferred this episode to the other ones this season, but that's not saying much. I get why they'd put some character drama in after the battle and before, but I feel there's far too much of it considering the 6 episode limitation and how insanely fast the pacing has become. Also, did anybody find it was weird how apparently nobody knew who the lord of Storms End was? There's so much illogical shit happening this season. For example, Yara taking back the Iron Islands because Euron seemingly had no garrison. How? It wasn't much better the last season like when High Garden decided leaving all their gold in an unprotected castle was sensible. Maybe this stuff just bothers me more because I like reading about actual historical conflicts, but the earlier seasons made a lot more sense in terms of capturing territory. I actually think Dany's arc might not be as bad as some are saying, but I have not read the leaks yet. She's always had a bit of a violent streak that's only grown faster in recent seasons. Still, deposing Cersei AND having a sub-plot where Dany becomes mad too just seems impossible to get into 2 episodes without being absurd. Even an entire season doing that might be too quick. Tyrion once again thinks Cersei might see reason when he knows her better than almost anybody and didn't used to be an idiot. There's probably lots of other shit I can't recall to mention right now, but the fact that Cersei could have won the war instantaneously by having all her scorpions fire at Drogon and the measly Unsullied force at the Kings Landing wall was ridiculous. I can suspend my disbelief to a point, but that didn't make any sense. For positives though, I'll say that the acting was pretty good and I was especially impressed with Emilia Clarke's performance in this episode.
Winds of Winter is gonna sell like a motherfucker, I'm almost tempted to believe they made a deal with Martin to royally screw the ending to reignite interests in the books at this point.
It's something that's hard to describe, and it's in this episode that it feels the most noticeable. It just seems like the show is racing towards getting all the pieces in place for the big conclusion. The Battle for which all these disparate forces had to come together to win was absolutely brutal and should have drawn everybody closer together, yet the good feelings lasted all of about five minutes. Sansa is immediately back to scheming against Dany, Dany immediately feels threatened by Jon's prominence and support and we're suddenly being thrust towards a Mad Queen scenario with two episodes to go. Bronn showed up out of absolutely nowhere because they need to wrap his plot up. The culmination of Jaime and Brienne's relationship was over in a snap because they need him in the South to wrap his plot up. Jon's parentage goes from being a secret to being known by nearly every major character because we need them to know for tension. Rhageal is killed by an enemy that everybody should have known was there because we need him dead to even the scales between the Lannister and Targareyn forces. Missandei went from alive, to captured, to dead all in the span of a few scenes, because she needs to die to give Dany motivation to go nuts. They've made the episodes longer to try to account for it, but that's not a perfect solution. It just feels like everything is moving too quickly.
I think the negative reactions are coming on more frequently simply because we're coming to the realization that "Oh...they really are gonna go that direction." At least when you have a season or two left there's plenty of room for redeeming areas where they dropped the ball, but with two episodes left hope is waning. That said, two of the best episodes in the show's history were episodes 9 & 10 of Season 6, so fingers crossed they at least pull this one off semi-satisfyingly.
Emilia Clarke's performance has been her best this season except for that waterfall sequence co-directed by George Lucas.
I genuinely don't think I'm even looking forward to the finale anymore. This whole season has turned into a shitshow real quick. The only redeeming thing I was hoping for was them going through with the "Dany + Jon get married" idea but after this episode I'm pretty sure that's been pushed right off the table. Sad, I was really hoping for a great finale with plenty of cathartic killings but now it just seems like everyone's fucked.
Well, I defended S8E3 despite its pitfalls. But I've got nothing for S8E4... The entire episode was just a speed run checklist to get into the next episode. Anything meaningful happened off screen. The post-episode breakdown just made everything worse. Characters are losing their shit for the sake of ridiculous plot points. None of the decisions made in the 90 minutes that episode ran had any logic behind them at all. Not a single one. They better figure out something fucking miraculous in these next two episode or DnD are probably never going to be able to go in public alone after the finale.
I didn't mind this episode actually. Varys going back to being Varys again was the best. I more or less enjoy where the conflict is going, but I don't really like how it's getting there. Euron's ambush made zero sense in particular.
why didn't cersei just kill them all right then and there if there's anyone who wouldn't respect the parley it would definitely be her. there's no reason i see her not just telling her men to fire everything they have at dany and co considering if they hit drogon first there's nothing they could do to fight back whatsoever.
One problem I foresee if they do go for the Mad Queen Dany plot is that, so far, Dany's anger really comes across as justified. Dany does deserve a great deal of credit for bringing her army to Winterfell to fight the North's war Sansa is attempting to create a wedge between Jon and Dany, despite Dany's efforts to reach a common ground Her advisors aren't making the best decisions - sailing South led the right into the Iron fleet and got Rhaegal killed, Tyrion's argument to attempt to convince Cersei to surrender knowing that she had a hostage got Missandei killed. All Dany has done since arriving in Westeros last season is try to do things the noble and honorable way, and the only real result of it has been a slow whittling away of her strength while Cersei's strength has increased. It's losing her the war.
That was awful. My God. That's all i can say about the writing. Holy shit
I've never actually read the books but last episode was reason enough to pick them up I can still sorta appreciate the show, I mean at least it's something that breaks up the monday blues for me.
Btw, not only was this writing bad. It's fucking INSULTING
I never, ever watch those after-show things. I typically find them to be more concerning than interesting.
quel surprise. At this point I'm beginning to think David Moffat has replaced D+D and is using their bodies as flesh puppets.
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what the fuck was this episode
Not even the worst offender. They were literal 80's Krull grade outlines around the Hound and Stabitha at winterfell, and everyone on the castle walls, never mind they didn't ever bother to color match the castle interior.
My favorite scene was all the Starks together at the tree. In particular, Isaac Wright's face when Bran realized Jon was going to spill the beans. And then Bran's not-so-subtle push for Jon to go all the way by saying (paraphrasing), "Oh are we saying the secret? Oh they didn't even know there was a secret, I guess there isn't one anymore!" The show really is suffering for the loss of episode count. Episodes we've seen in season 7, and several we've seen this season would have been broken up into multiple episodes previously, with much more character time. The show really is violently shoving characters into position so plot points can happen. The thing is though, plot points don't matter if the requisite character building isn't there to lend it weight. This is the same problem I have with shows like Discovery and Defenders. I can't see the show coming to a satisfying conclusion with its current form of storytelling. I've already been greatly disappointed with other shows like Smallville and Lost, so I'm not really devastated that Game of Thrones has fallen prey to itself, honestly I'm simply curious at this point to see how the threads will tie off and how my favorite characters die.
I could almost call that intentional. An easter egg of sorts. I would've never noticed it. Reminds me of the water bottle in Downton Abbey.
Can't wait for it to end with Sam reading the ending narration from a book, saying "And they all lived happily ever after, yeah right, like that actually happened" before he closes "A dream of Spring" and then flushing the toilet before kicking open the door and walking out to gaze upon Westeros while "Allstar" begins playing.
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